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07-14-2003, 09:37 AM

Hello to everyone from this group who visited my site before. I have
pictures on it now! I've survived the former war zone (it was amazing
in fact). I'm just hope I get through Romania and the Ukraine... it's
going OK so far.

Graham B

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07-14-2003, 04:36 PM

GB <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> Hello to everyone from this group who visited my site before. I have
> pictures on it now! I've survived the former war zone (it was amazing
> in fact). I'm just hope I get through Romania and the Ukraine... it's
> going OK so far.

The whole of Europe is a former warzone!

Romania should be interesting (although Bucharest is completely ****). Horse
and cart is the primary form of transport there. A very, very beautiful and
tragic country. Are you going through Moldova? Now THATS a poor country!

As for the Balkans, did you go through Albania? It's a mad place, especially
the north.

Hope its all ok!
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DFM

07-15-2003, 12:52 PM

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:36:17 +1000, "Deep Floyd Mars"
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>The whole of Europe is a former warzone!

Where isn't?

Guy
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07-15-2003, 03:31 PM

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:36:17 +1000, "Deep Floyd Mars"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].uk> wrote:
>
>
>>The whole of Europe is a former warzone!
>
>
> Where isn't?

Antarctica and the moon spring to mind. In more populated areas,
Thailand has done reasonably well, I believe.

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07-16-2003, 01:57 AM

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:36:17 +1000, "Deep Floyd Mars"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].uk> wrote:
>
> >The whole of Europe is a former warzone!
>
> Where isn't?

Depends where you want to draw the line on what disappears off into history.
Perhaps a good one would be when there are quite a lot of people who still
remember what invading armies, nightly bombing, men being rounded up and
sent away etc. actually feels like in their own towns and villages.

07-18-2003, 09:52 AM

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Luigi de Guzman) wrote in message news:<308301c1.0307151912.7a801e5c@posting.google. com>...
> Jim Price <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:<3f14800f$0$15035$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].pipex.co m>...
> > Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:36:17 +1000, "Deep Floyd Mars"
> > > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>The whole of Europe is a former warzone!
> > >
> > >
> > > Where isn't?
> >
> > Antarctica and the moon spring to mind. In more populated areas,
> > Thailand has done reasonably well, I believe.
>
> my memory's bad, but I seem to recall there were a number of wars
> between Siamese and Khmer rulers. wish I had my references easily at
> hand.
>
> More recently, the Thai made out extremely well from the Second World
> War, siding at first with the Japanese (and of their own initiative
> carving out bits of British Malaya and French Indochina) and then
> switching sides and favouring the allies.
>
> I would have gone somewhere more remote, like, say, Bhutan, but I
> doubt even then that there hasn't been a war at some time or other
> through that particular bit of the world.
>
> Among the more populated places in the world, Switzerland has done
> remarkably well over the past several hundred years, in the sense that
> there has been no war contested within its territory, nor has it been
> an active belligerent in any.
>
> -Luigi
>
> trivium: "War" in the social science literature requires two
> indentifiable political communities to be in conflict with each other,
> and that that same conflict should result in more than 1,000 deaths on
> both sides.

Re the last point: that means the Gulf conflicts weren't wars! In both
the alliance lost less than 1000. I don't think the Brits lost more
than a 1,000 in the Falklands either. I didn't ride through Albania;
the Shokodra to Kukes road I needed to use to get to Kosovo has has a
travel warning from both the FCO and the US gov. I was told by a
friend in Prishtina that I wouldn't make it. You can't get more of a
stark warning than that. I went back into Montenegro to get to Kosovo,
which is quite safe BTW. With 50,000 KFOR troops there, and seemingly
every other car being a police car, it could hardly not be.

By 'war zone' I meant a country that had had land conflict on it's
soil. So yes, that means lots of Europe is a former war-zone from WW2.
But, by that definition, not the UK (in the air, yes), Portugal,
Spain, Bulgaria (was occuppied but no fighting) and Switzerland. Of
course, if think air war over a countries territory makes it a war
zone then you have to include the US, because of Pearl Harbour. No
where else in Europe had conflict as recently as 1999, like Kosovo. I
didn't worry to much about land mines in Germany!

07-18-2003, 09:59 AM

"W K" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:<bf3414$rhn$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>...
> "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:36:17 +1000, "Deep Floyd Mars"
> > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].uk> wrote:
> >
> > >The whole of Europe is a former warzone!
> >
> > Where isn't?
>
> Depends where you want to draw the line on what disappears off into history.
> Perhaps a good one would be when there are quite a lot of people who still
> remember what invading armies, nightly bombing, men being rounded up and
> sent away etc. actually feels like in their own towns and villages.

I recommend anyone to travel through the former Yugoslavia. The people
there are very welcoming but there is no chance of the war there
"disappearing off into history". It's beautiful, educating and sad all
at once.