One Cyclist Killed; Another Seriously Injured - Page 3

04-12-2004, 11:53 AM

> > In a just world, the driver would surrender all his assets to the
> families
> > of the victems and would then be executed.
>
> Oh yes, that would make the situation *better*.
> -Brendon

The driver would never do it again...

May brother Alan be in heaven an hour, before the devil knows he is dead.

04-12-2004, 12:02 PM

> Apparently, the driver did not know he had hit the cyclists and continued
> west for about 700 feet until he was stopped by an off-duty Vallejo police
> officer, the spokeswoman said. The officer detained the man until CHP
> officers arrived, she said. He is now in custody and charged with driving
> under the influence.

I read and hear about things like this and once in a while think that maybe
I shouldn't be taking life for granted. I don't think there's anything I
can take from what happened that might make me safer on the road, nor much I
can see that might be done to ensure that things like this don't happen in
general. The guy was drunk, before noon even. Unless we make alcoholism a
capital offense...

When I was in DC for the Bicycle Summit, we were discussing how best to use
money to make the roads safer for cycling. When we looked at how money is
spent and where most of the danger comes from, it was blindingly clear that
ANYTHING done to reduce drinking drivers being on the road had the most
significant impact on safety. Nothing else was even close. I'm just not
sure how far society is willing to go to handle the problem. Look at all
the hoopla every time they set up sobriety checkpoints! Still, this guy was
operating far outside of the norm, meaning that any additional efforts to
target drunk drivers on the road is best spent when there are more drunk
drivers on the road, specifically in the evenings.

Basic laws regarding serving alcohol in California can be found here-
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

So I question this- is there a need to be selling alcohol at 6am at a bar
(or anywhere else?)? So I retract my earlier statement that there's nothing
that can be done about accidents like this. I don't know if the guy was
actually drinking in a bar or had a six-pack at home before he took to the
road, but it seems that anything done to encourage early recreational
drinking is a bad thing.

This particular story, these particular cyclists aren't merely an excuse for
an academic exercise. They were both customers of ours.

--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

04-12-2004, 12:02 PM

> Apparently, the driver did not know he had hit the cyclists and continued
> west for about 700 feet until he was stopped by an off-duty Vallejo police
> officer, the spokeswoman said. The officer detained the man until CHP
> officers arrived, she said. He is now in custody and charged with driving
> under the influence.

I read and hear about things like this and once in a while think that maybe
I shouldn't be taking life for granted. I don't think there's anything I
can take from what happened that might make me safer on the road, nor much I
can see that might be done to ensure that things like this don't happen in
general. The guy was drunk, before noon even. Unless we make alcoholism a
capital offense...

When I was in DC for the Bicycle Summit, we were discussing how best to use
money to make the roads safer for cycling. When we looked at how money is
spent and where most of the danger comes from, it was blindingly clear that
ANYTHING done to reduce drinking drivers being on the road had the most
significant impact on safety. Nothing else was even close. I'm just not
sure how far society is willing to go to handle the problem. Look at all
the hoopla every time they set up sobriety checkpoints! Still, this guy was
operating far outside of the norm, meaning that any additional efforts to
target drunk drivers on the road is best spent when there are more drunk
drivers on the road, specifically in the evenings.

Basic laws regarding serving alcohol in California can be found here-
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

So I question this- is there a need to be selling alcohol at 6am at a bar
(or anywhere else?)? So I retract my earlier statement that there's nothing
that can be done about accidents like this. I don't know if the guy was
actually drinking in a bar or had a six-pack at home before he took to the
road, but it seems that anything done to encourage early recreational
drinking is a bad thing.

This particular story, these particular cyclists aren't merely an excuse for
an academic exercise. They were both customers of ours.

--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

04-12-2004, 12:02 PM

> Apparently, the driver did not know he had hit the cyclists and continued
> west for about 700 feet until he was stopped by an off-duty Vallejo police
> officer, the spokeswoman said. The officer detained the man until CHP
> officers arrived, she said. He is now in custody and charged with driving
> under the influence.

I read and hear about things like this and once in a while think that maybe
I shouldn't be taking life for granted. I don't think there's anything I
can take from what happened that might make me safer on the road, nor much I
can see that might be done to ensure that things like this don't happen in
general. The guy was drunk, before noon even. Unless we make alcoholism a
capital offense...

When I was in DC for the Bicycle Summit, we were discussing how best to use
money to make the roads safer for cycling. When we looked at how money is
spent and where most of the danger comes from, it was blindingly clear that
ANYTHING done to reduce drinking drivers being on the road had the most
significant impact on safety. Nothing else was even close. I'm just not
sure how far society is willing to go to handle the problem. Look at all
the hoopla every time they set up sobriety checkpoints! Still, this guy was
operating far outside of the norm, meaning that any additional efforts to
target drunk drivers on the road is best spent when there are more drunk
drivers on the road, specifically in the evenings.

Basic laws regarding serving alcohol in California can be found here-
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

So I question this- is there a need to be selling alcohol at 6am at a bar
(or anywhere else?)? So I retract my earlier statement that there's nothing
that can be done about accidents like this. I don't know if the guy was
actually drinking in a bar or had a six-pack at home before he took to the
road, but it seems that anything done to encourage early recreational
drinking is a bad thing.

This particular story, these particular cyclists aren't merely an excuse for
an academic exercise. They were both customers of ours.

--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

04-12-2004, 12:02 PM

> Apparently, the driver did not know he had hit the cyclists and continued
> west for about 700 feet until he was stopped by an off-duty Vallejo police
> officer, the spokeswoman said. The officer detained the man until CHP
> officers arrived, she said. He is now in custody and charged with driving
> under the influence.

I read and hear about things like this and once in a while think that maybe
I shouldn't be taking life for granted. I don't think there's anything I
can take from what happened that might make me safer on the road, nor much I
can see that might be done to ensure that things like this don't happen in
general. The guy was drunk, before noon even. Unless we make alcoholism a
capital offense...

When I was in DC for the Bicycle Summit, we were discussing how best to use
money to make the roads safer for cycling. When we looked at how money is
spent and where most of the danger comes from, it was blindingly clear that
ANYTHING done to reduce drinking drivers being on the road had the most
significant impact on safety. Nothing else was even close. I'm just not
sure how far society is willing to go to handle the problem. Look at all
the hoopla every time they set up sobriety checkpoints! Still, this guy was
operating far outside of the norm, meaning that any additional efforts to
target drunk drivers on the road is best spent when there are more drunk
drivers on the road, specifically in the evenings.

Basic laws regarding serving alcohol in California can be found here-
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

So I question this- is there a need to be selling alcohol at 6am at a bar
(or anywhere else?)? So I retract my earlier statement that there's nothing
that can be done about accidents like this. I don't know if the guy was
actually drinking in a bar or had a six-pack at home before he took to the
road, but it seems that anything done to encourage early recreational
drinking is a bad thing.

This particular story, these particular cyclists aren't merely an excuse for
an academic exercise. They were both customers of ours.

--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

04-12-2004, 12:03 PM

"Brendon M. Troy" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
message news:c5el0l$c8j$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].rochester.edu...
> "Paul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote
> > In a just world, the driver would surrender all his assets to the
> families
> > of the victems and would then be executed.
>
> Oh yes, that would make the situation *better*.

Yes ... yes it would. Especially if the victim had young children. It
could make the difference between the children living in poverty, or going
to college.

C.Q.C.

04-12-2004, 12:03 PM

"Brendon M. Troy" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
message news:c5el0l$c8j$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].rochester.edu...
> "Paul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote
> > In a just world, the driver would surrender all his assets to the
> families
> > of the victems and would then be executed.
>
> Oh yes, that would make the situation *better*.

Yes ... yes it would. Especially if the victim had young children. It
could make the difference between the children living in poverty, or going
to college.

C.Q.C.

04-12-2004, 12:03 PM

"Brendon M. Troy" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
message news:c5el0l$c8j$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].rochester.edu...
> "Paul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote
> > In a just world, the driver would surrender all his assets to the
> families
> > of the victems and would then be executed.
>
> Oh yes, that would make the situation *better*.

Yes ... yes it would. Especially if the victim had young children. It
could make the difference between the children living in poverty, or going
to college.

C.Q.C.

04-12-2004, 12:03 PM

"Brendon M. Troy" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
message news:c5el0l$c8j$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].rochester.edu...
> "Paul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote
> > In a just world, the driver would surrender all his assets to the
> families
> > of the victems and would then be executed.
>
> Oh yes, that would make the situation *better*.

Yes ... yes it would. Especially if the victim had young children. It
could make the difference between the children living in poverty, or going
to college.

C.Q.C.

04-12-2004, 01:07 PM

In article <tBCec.21848$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].prodigy.com >,
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...
> > Apparently, the driver did not know he had hit the cyclists and continued
> > west for about 700 feet until he was stopped by an off-duty Vallejo police
> > officer, the spokeswoman said. The officer detained the man until CHP
> > officers arrived, she said. He is now in custody and charged with driving
> > under the influence.
>
> I read and hear about things like this and once in a while think that maybe
> I shouldn't be taking life for granted. I don't think there's anything I
> can take from what happened that might make me safer on the road, nor much I
> can see that might be done to ensure that things like this don't happen in
> general. The guy was drunk, before noon even. Unless we make alcoholism a
> capital offense...

Alcoholism isn't, but in some countries, drunk driving is...

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