Re: Tirreno Razza ? - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

04-25-2004, 11:21 AM

Cheg wrote:
> "Luigi de Guzman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:798260dam4-
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]ews:798260dam4ca4a6tbgig2ut2ao68rr9pcu-
> @4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 05:38:11 GMT, k2
> > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> >
> > >"New" line available from Performance. Anyone know the origin of this
> > >bike line? Can't find much more then what the Performance sales
> > >brochure claims: "Available for the First Time in The USA!" Okay, so
> > >if in the USA for the "First Time" then where has it been up until
> > >now and for how long? Has it been anywhere near Italy? Looks like a
> > >nice frame, but my suspicious nature wonders if this is a slick
> > >marketing/packaging scheme by Performance. regards, K2
> >
> > The only thing Italian about it is the name; frames are Chinese,
> > I think.
> >
> > -Luigi
> But who could refuse a "highly manipulated" downtube and a "diamond
> tapered" top tube and "wishbone", "s-bend" carbon stays and 16
> spoke wheels? Looks like they packed every available gimmick in one
> $1300 bike.

So is this a decent bike or not? The 2.0 has Shimano 105 components
aluminum frame & carbon fork. How would this compare with, say,
similarly priced ($850-$1000) Trek, Specialized, or Bianchi

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04-26-2004, 03:32 AM

In article <ldUic.30868$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, usenet-
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...
> Cheg wrote:
> > "Luigi de Guzman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:798260dam4-
> > [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]ews:798260dam4ca4a6tbgig2ut2ao68rr9pcu-
> > @4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 05:38:11 GMT, k2
> > > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >"New" line available from Performance. Anyone know the origin of this
> > > >bike line? Can't find much more then what the Performance sales
> > > >brochure claims: "Available for the First Time in The USA!" Okay, so
> > > >if in the USA for the "First Time" then where has it been up until
> > > >now and for how long? Has it been anywhere near Italy? Looks like a
> > > >nice frame, but my suspicious nature wonders if this is a slick
> > > >marketing/packaging scheme by Performance. regards, K2
> > >
> > > The only thing Italian about it is the name; frames are Chinese,
> > > I think.
> > >
> > > -Luigi
> > But who could refuse a "highly manipulated" downtube and a "diamond
> > tapered" top tube and "wishbone", "s-bend" carbon stays and 16
> > spoke wheels? Looks like they packed every available gimmick in one
> > $1300 bike.
>
>
>
>
> So is this a decent bike or not? The 2.0 has Shimano 105 components,
> aluminum frame & carbon fork. How would this compare with, say, a
> similarly priced ($850-$1000) Trek, Specialized, or Bianchi?

If the frame holds up, it looks like a pretty good buy, but nobody here
seems to have any experience with the bike to be able to comment.

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04-26-2004, 03:32 AM

In article <ldUic.30868$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, usenet-
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...
> Cheg wrote:
> > "Luigi de Guzman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:798260dam4-
> > [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]ews:798260dam4ca4a6tbgig2ut2ao68rr9pcu-
> > @4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 05:38:11 GMT, k2
> > > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >"New" line available from Performance. Anyone know the origin of this
> > > >bike line? Can't find much more then what the Performance sales
> > > >brochure claims: "Available for the First Time in The USA!" Okay, so
> > > >if in the USA for the "First Time" then where has it been up until
> > > >now and for how long? Has it been anywhere near Italy? Looks like a
> > > >nice frame, but my suspicious nature wonders if this is a slick
> > > >marketing/packaging scheme by Performance. regards, K2
> > >
> > > The only thing Italian about it is the name; frames are Chinese,
> > > I think.
> > >
> > > -Luigi
> > But who could refuse a "highly manipulated" downtube and a "diamond
> > tapered" top tube and "wishbone", "s-bend" carbon stays and 16
> > spoke wheels? Looks like they packed every available gimmick in one
> > $1300 bike.
>
>
>
>
> So is this a decent bike or not? The 2.0 has Shimano 105 components,
> aluminum frame & carbon fork. How would this compare with, say, a
> similarly priced ($850-$1000) Trek, Specialized, or Bianchi?

If the frame holds up, it looks like a pretty good buy, but nobody here
seems to have any experience with the bike to be able to comment.

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04-26-2004, 03:32 AM

In article <ldUic.30868$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, usenet-
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...
> Cheg wrote:
> > "Luigi de Guzman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:798260dam4-
> > [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]ews:798260dam4ca4a6tbgig2ut2ao68rr9pcu-
> > @4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 05:38:11 GMT, k2
> > > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >"New" line available from Performance. Anyone know the origin of this
> > > >bike line? Can't find much more then what the Performance sales
> > > >brochure claims: "Available for the First Time in The USA!" Okay, so
> > > >if in the USA for the "First Time" then where has it been up until
> > > >now and for how long? Has it been anywhere near Italy? Looks like a
> > > >nice frame, but my suspicious nature wonders if this is a slick
> > > >marketing/packaging scheme by Performance. regards, K2
> > >
> > > The only thing Italian about it is the name; frames are Chinese,
> > > I think.
> > >
> > > -Luigi
> > But who could refuse a "highly manipulated" downtube and a "diamond
> > tapered" top tube and "wishbone", "s-bend" carbon stays and 16
> > spoke wheels? Looks like they packed every available gimmick in one
> > $1300 bike.
>
>
>
>
> So is this a decent bike or not? The 2.0 has Shimano 105 components,
> aluminum frame & carbon fork. How would this compare with, say, a
> similarly priced ($850-$1000) Trek, Specialized, or Bianchi?

If the frame holds up, it looks like a pretty good buy, but nobody here
seems to have any experience with the bike to be able to comment.

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04-26-2004, 03:32 AM

In article <ldUic.30868$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, usenet-
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...
> Cheg wrote:
> > "Luigi de Guzman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:798260dam4-
> > [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]ews:798260dam4ca4a6tbgig2ut2ao68rr9pcu-
> > @4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 05:38:11 GMT, k2
> > > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >"New" line available from Performance. Anyone know the origin of this
> > > >bike line? Can't find much more then what the Performance sales
> > > >brochure claims: "Available for the First Time in The USA!" Okay, so
> > > >if in the USA for the "First Time" then where has it been up until
> > > >now and for how long? Has it been anywhere near Italy? Looks like a
> > > >nice frame, but my suspicious nature wonders if this is a slick
> > > >marketing/packaging scheme by Performance. regards, K2
> > >
> > > The only thing Italian about it is the name; frames are Chinese,
> > > I think.
> > >
> > > -Luigi
> > But who could refuse a "highly manipulated" downtube and a "diamond
> > tapered" top tube and "wishbone", "s-bend" carbon stays and 16
> > spoke wheels? Looks like they packed every available gimmick in one
> > $1300 bike.
>
>
>
>
> So is this a decent bike or not? The 2.0 has Shimano 105 components,
> aluminum frame & carbon fork. How would this compare with, say, a
> similarly priced ($850-$1000) Trek, Specialized, or Bianchi?

If the frame holds up, it looks like a pretty good buy, but nobody here
seems to have any experience with the bike to be able to comment.

--
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04-26-2004, 03:32 AM

In article <ldUic.30868$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, usenet-
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...
> Cheg wrote:
> > "Luigi de Guzman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:798260dam4-
> > [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]ews:798260dam4ca4a6tbgig2ut2ao68rr9pcu-
> > @4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 05:38:11 GMT, k2
> > > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >"New" line available from Performance. Anyone know the origin of this
> > > >bike line? Can't find much more then what the Performance sales
> > > >brochure claims: "Available for the First Time in The USA!" Okay, so
> > > >if in the USA for the "First Time" then where has it been up until
> > > >now and for how long? Has it been anywhere near Italy? Looks like a
> > > >nice frame, but my suspicious nature wonders if this is a slick
> > > >marketing/packaging scheme by Performance. regards, K2
> > >
> > > The only thing Italian about it is the name; frames are Chinese,
> > > I think.
> > >
> > > -Luigi
> > But who could refuse a "highly manipulated" downtube and a "diamond
> > tapered" top tube and "wishbone", "s-bend" carbon stays and 16
> > spoke wheels? Looks like they packed every available gimmick in one
> > $1300 bike.
>
>
>
>
> So is this a decent bike or not? The 2.0 has Shimano 105 components,
> aluminum frame & carbon fork. How would this compare with, say, a
> similarly priced ($850-$1000) Trek, Specialized, or Bianchi?

If the frame holds up, it looks like a pretty good buy, but nobody here
seems to have any experience with the bike to be able to comment.

--
Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
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05-08-2004, 07:49 PM

David Kerber wrote:
> In article <ldUic.30868$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, usenet-
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...
> > Cheg wrote:
> > > "Luigi de Guzman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:798260dam4-
> > > [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]ews:798260dam4ca4a6tbgig2ut2ao68rr9pcu-
> > > news:798260dam4-
> > > [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]ews:798260dam4ca4a6tbgig2ut2ao68rr9pcu- @4ax.com...
> > > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 05:38:11 GMT, k2
> > > > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"New" line available from Performance. Anyone know the origin
> > > > >of this bike line? Can't find much more then what the
> > > > >Performance sales brochure claims: "Available for the First
> > > > >Time in The USA!" Okay, so if in the USA for the "First Time"
> > > > >then where has it been up until now and for how long? Has it
> > > > >been anywhere near Italy? Looks like a nice frame, but my
> > > > >suspicious nature wonders if this is a slick
> > > > >marketing/packaging scheme by Performance. regards, K2
> > > >
> > > > The only thing Italian about it is the name; frames are Chinese,
> > > > I think.
> > > >
> > > > -Luigi
> > > But who could refuse a "highly manipulated" downtube and a
> > > "diamond tapered" top tube and "wishbone", "s- bend" carbon stays
> > > and 16 spoke wheels? Looks like they packed every available
> > > gimmick in one $1300 bike.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So is this a decent bike or not? The 2.0 has Shimano 105 components,
> > aluminum frame & carbon fork. How would this compare with, say, a
> > similarly priced ($850-$1000) Trek, Specialized, or Bianchi?
> If the frame holds up, it looks like a pretty good buy, but nobody here
> seems to have any experience with the bike to be able to comment.
> --
> Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
> newsgroups if possible).

I recently purchased the Razza from Performances' store i
charlottesville,va and so far so good. It is very responsive an
aggressive. This is my second road bike. the first was a Bianchi Giro
loved it. this Razza seems to be well made and is packed with nic
componets. i was leary of a house brand bike until I saw it and tried i
out. for $1300.00, it is a bargain. It climbs very well also

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05-08-2004, 07:49 PM

David Kerber wrote:
> In article <ldUic.30868$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, usenet-
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...
> > Cheg wrote:
> > > "Luigi de Guzman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:798260dam4-
> > > [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]ews:798260dam4ca4a6tbgig2ut2ao68rr9pcu-
> > > news:798260dam4-
> > > [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]ews:798260dam4ca4a6tbgig2ut2ao68rr9pcu- @4ax.com...
> > > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 05:38:11 GMT, k2
> > > > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"New" line available from Performance. Anyone know the origin
> > > > >of this bike line? Can't find much more then what the
> > > > >Performance sales brochure claims: "Available for the First
> > > > >Time in The USA!" Okay, so if in the USA for the "First Time"
> > > > >then where has it been up until now and for how long? Has it
> > > > >been anywhere near Italy? Looks like a nice frame, but my
> > > > >suspicious nature wonders if this is a slick
> > > > >marketing/packaging scheme by Performance. regards, K2
> > > >
> > > > The only thing Italian about it is the name; frames are Chinese,
> > > > I think.
> > > >
> > > > -Luigi
> > > But who could refuse a "highly manipulated" downtube and a
> > > "diamond tapered" top tube and "wishbone", "s- bend" carbon stays
> > > and 16 spoke wheels? Looks like they packed every available
> > > gimmick in one $1300 bike.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So is this a decent bike or not? The 2.0 has Shimano 105 components,
> > aluminum frame & carbon fork. How would this compare with, say, a
> > similarly priced ($850-$1000) Trek, Specialized, or Bianchi?
> If the frame holds up, it looks like a pretty good buy, but nobody here
> seems to have any experience with the bike to be able to comment.
> --
> Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
> newsgroups if possible).

I recently purchased the Razza from Performances' store i
charlottesville,va and so far so good. It is very responsive an
aggressive. This is my second road bike. the first was a Bianchi Giro
loved it. this Razza seems to be well made and is packed with nic
componets. i was leary of a house brand bike until I saw it and tried i
out. for $1300.00, it is a bargain. It climbs very well also

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05-08-2004, 07:49 PM

David Kerber wrote:
> In article <ldUic.30868$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, usenet-
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...
> > Cheg wrote:
> > > "Luigi de Guzman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:798260dam4-
> > > [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]ews:798260dam4ca4a6tbgig2ut2ao68rr9pcu-
> > > news:798260dam4-
> > > [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]ews:798260dam4ca4a6tbgig2ut2ao68rr9pcu- @4ax.com...
> > > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 05:38:11 GMT, k2
> > > > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"New" line available from Performance. Anyone know the origin
> > > > >of this bike line? Can't find much more then what the
> > > > >Performance sales brochure claims: "Available for the First
> > > > >Time in The USA!" Okay, so if in the USA for the "First Time"
> > > > >then where has it been up until now and for how long? Has it
> > > > >been anywhere near Italy? Looks like a nice frame, but my
> > > > >suspicious nature wonders if this is a slick
> > > > >marketing/packaging scheme by Performance. regards, K2
> > > >
> > > > The only thing Italian about it is the name; frames are Chinese,
> > > > I think.
> > > >
> > > > -Luigi
> > > But who could refuse a "highly manipulated" downtube and a
> > > "diamond tapered" top tube and "wishbone", "s- bend" carbon stays
> > > and 16 spoke wheels? Looks like they packed every available
> > > gimmick in one $1300 bike.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So is this a decent bike or not? The 2.0 has Shimano 105 components,
> > aluminum frame & carbon fork. How would this compare with, say, a
> > similarly priced ($850-$1000) Trek, Specialized, or Bianchi?
> If the frame holds up, it looks like a pretty good buy, but nobody here
> seems to have any experience with the bike to be able to comment.
> --
> Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
> newsgroups if possible).

I recently purchased the Razza from Performances' store i
charlottesville,va and so far so good. It is very responsive an
aggressive. This is my second road bike. the first was a Bianchi Giro
loved it. this Razza seems to be well made and is packed with nic
componets. i was leary of a house brand bike until I saw it and tried i
out. for $1300.00, it is a bargain. It climbs very well also

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05-08-2004, 07:49 PM

David Kerber wrote:
> In article <ldUic.30868$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, usenet-
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...
> > Cheg wrote:
> > > "Luigi de Guzman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:798260dam4-
> > > [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]ews:798260dam4ca4a6tbgig2ut2ao68rr9pcu-
> > > news:798260dam4-
> > > [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]ews:798260dam4ca4a6tbgig2ut2ao68rr9pcu- @4ax.com...
> > > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 05:38:11 GMT, k2
> > > > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"New" line available from Performance. Anyone know the origin
> > > > >of this bike line? Can't find much more then what the
> > > > >Performance sales brochure claims: "Available for the First
> > > > >Time in The USA!" Okay, so if in the USA for the "First Time"
> > > > >then where has it been up until now and for how long? Has it
> > > > >been anywhere near Italy? Looks like a nice frame, but my
> > > > >suspicious nature wonders if this is a slick
> > > > >marketing/packaging scheme by Performance. regards, K2
> > > >
> > > > The only thing Italian about it is the name; frames are Chinese,
> > > > I think.
> > > >
> > > > -Luigi
> > > But who could refuse a "highly manipulated" downtube and a
> > > "diamond tapered" top tube and "wishbone", "s- bend" carbon stays
> > > and 16 spoke wheels? Looks like they packed every available
> > > gimmick in one $1300 bike.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So is this a decent bike or not? The 2.0 has Shimano 105 components,
> > aluminum frame & carbon fork. How would this compare with, say, a
> > similarly priced ($850-$1000) Trek, Specialized, or Bianchi?
> If the frame holds up, it looks like a pretty good buy, but nobody here
> seems to have any experience with the bike to be able to comment.
> --
> Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
> newsgroups if possible).

I recently purchased the Razza from Performances' store i
charlottesville,va and so far so good. It is very responsive an
aggressive. This is my second road bike. the first was a Bianchi Giro
loved it. this Razza seems to be well made and is packed with nic
componets. i was leary of a house brand bike until I saw it and tried i
out. for $1300.00, it is a bargain. It climbs very well also

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