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07-25-2003, 10:38 AM

In article <VRdUa.984$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].pas.earthlink.net >,
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> I guess I understand the traditional looks and longevity, but I thought
> steel was the worst as far as comfort goes.

I don't have an opinion (all I've ever ridden is steel), but many people
say that steel is the best riding of them all.

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07-25-2003, 03:28 PM

On 07/25/2003 13:33, in article
VRdUa.984$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].pas.earthlink.net, "F1"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> I guess I understand the traditional looks and longevity, but I thought
> steel was the worst as far as comfort goes.

Comfort depends far more on how the bike is made than what the bike is made
of. Witness the "soft" reputation that aluminum had after the first Vitus
and Alan frames that suddenly transmuted into a "stiff" reputation when
Cannondale introduced it's oversized frames.

Baird

> "Eurastus" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
>> I don't race anymore, so pure performance isn't an issue. I'm looking for
>> traditional looks, comfort, and longevity. I've owned and raced on
> carbon, Ti,
>> aluminum, and steel. I just keep coming back to steel.
>>
>>
>>
>> "F1" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>> A bit off topic, but why do you want steel? I'm fairly new to biking and
>>> just wondering why anyone would want anything BUT a good aluminum or
> carbon
>>> frame, price not withstanding?
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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07-25-2003, 07:41 PM

"F1" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:<zsVTa.809$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].pas.earthlin k.net>...
> A bit off topic, but why do you want steel? I'm fairly new to biking and
> just wondering why anyone would want anything BUT a good aluminum or carbon
> frame, price not withstanding?

Because "Steel is Real"

07-25-2003, 08:55 PM

"David L. Johnson" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:bfrk45$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].Lehigh.EDU...
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:11:38 +0000, Robin Hubert wrote:
>
> > Those seat binder bolts are ridiculous.
>
> I haven't seen one of these close up, but the old Cinelli seat binder
> treatment and seat lug/seatstay joint were elegant and functional. What
has changed?
>
> --
>

Truthfully, I don't know what's changed, since I don't know Cinelli's of
old. But that wimpy 3-piece, two-bolts going into a collar (turnbuckle?)
trying to squeeze the stays together is just asking for trouble. I've
tightened enough and replaced enough, and have seen enough good designs to
know that it isn't a good. It might be elegant, but it ain't good.

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Robin Hubert <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>

07-25-2003, 09:51 PM

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:46:35 GMT, "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> from
Shaw Residential Internet wrote:

>Imagine trying to climb on a steel bike!

Aren't there like really heavy people and that's all they can ride? I think they
don't try climbing though. They walk up the hills.

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11:50:56 PM 25 July 2003

07-26-2003, 05:03 AM

Silliness.

I ride a 57cm steel bike that weighs 17 lbs.. I'd say that's light enough.
Climbing actually is quite nice on a steel bike. To me the feel is
characteristic of a spring: you get this compression and expansion effect
which propels one up climbs. It's comfort makes for less fatigue in most as
well to ride longer/farther. I weigh 190 lbs., and I don't recall ever
walking up a hill, but I'm sure there's a first.

> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:46:35 GMT, "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> from
> Shaw Residential Internet wrote:
>
>> Imagine trying to climb on a steel bike!
>
> Aren't there like really heavy people and that's all they can ride? I think
> they
> don't try climbing though. They walk up the hills.
>
>
> --
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] human rights = peace
> I feel like I am sharing a ``CORN-DOG'' with NIKITA KHRUSCHEV ...
> 11:50:56 PM 25 July 2003

07-26-2003, 06:59 AM

I currently own three bikes: a '74 Jack Taylor Reynolds 531 steel, an
early 90's Masi Nuova Strada Reynolds 653 steel and a late 90's
Simonetti Easton aluminum. I do sprint rides and time trials on the
Simonetti, but greatly prefer either steel bike for all other riding,
including climbs. I live in Vermont and do a LOT of climbing. I always
choose steel when I'm riding over mountain gaps... reminds me of a great
ride a couple weeks ago when a buddy and I did a double gap ride over
Middlebury and Brandon gaps... wonderful! I used my '74 Jack Taylor.

David G. White
Burlington, VT

Bill Graham wrote:

>Silliness.
>
>I ride a 57cm steel bike that weighs 17 lbs.. I'd say that's light enough.
>Climbing actually is quite nice on a steel bike. To me the feel is
>characteristic of a spring: you get this compression and expansion effect
>which propels one up climbs. It's comfort makes for less fatigue in most as
>well to ride longer/farther. I weigh 190 lbs., and I don't recall ever
>walking up a hill, but I'm sure there's a first.
>
>
>
>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:46:35 GMT, "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> from
>>Shaw Residential Internet wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Imagine trying to climb on a steel bike!
>>>
>>>
>>Aren't there like really heavy people and that's all they can ride? I think
>>they
>>don't try climbing though. They walk up the hills.
>>
>>
>>--
>>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] human rights = peace
>>I feel like I am sharing a ``CORN-DOG'' with NIKITA KHRUSCHEV ...
>>11:50:56 PM 25 July 2003
>>
>>
>
>
>

07-26-2003, 02:15 PM

on 03.07.25 21:51, Kevan Smith asserted:

> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:46:35 GMT, "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:
>
>> Imagine trying to climb on a steel bike!
>
> Aren't there like really heavy people and that's all they can ride? I think
> they
> don't try climbing though. They walk up the hills.

Indeed. Even at 140lbs, I usually pull over before any hill, wait for my
support vehicle (because you never know when you'll get a flat while going
for groceries and I can't waste minutes in my commute changing a tire) and
swap my derailleur-equipped steel bike for my aluminum track bike. Without
the aluminum bike, I'd be hoofing it in the SPD-SLs for sure.

Seng

07-26-2003, 04:49 PM

Bill Graham wrote in message ...
>Silliness.
>
>I ride a 57cm steel bike that weighs 17 lbs.. I'd say that's light enough.
>Climbing actually is quite nice on a steel bike. To me the feel is
>characteristic of a spring: you get this compression and expansion effect

Well, actually your bike weights about 19 to 21 lbs, too heavy for today's
competitive riding. And that compression - expansion you're talking
about is actually the damn thing flexing, that's the one thing you
don't want, if a frame is doing that is time to dump it.

07-26-2003, 06:56 PM

My 87 GIOS Torino has less BB deflection than either of my aluminium bikes.

"Bill Graham" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> Silliness.
>
> I ride a 57cm steel bike that weighs 17 lbs.. I'd say that's light enough.
> Climbing actually is quite nice on a steel bike. To me the feel is
> characteristic of a spring: you get this compression and expansion effect
> which propels one up climbs. It's comfort makes for less fatigue in most
as
> well to ride longer/farther. I weigh 190 lbs., and I don't recall ever
> walking up a hill, but I'm sure there's a first.
>
> > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:46:35 GMT, "Fabrizio Mazzoleni"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> from
> > Shaw Residential Internet wrote:
> >
> >> Imagine trying to climb on a steel bike!
> >
> > Aren't there like really heavy people and that's all they can ride? I
think
> > they
> > don't try climbing though. They walk up the hills.
> >
> >
> > --
> > [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] human rights = peace
> > I feel like I am sharing a ``CORN-DOG'' with NIKITA KHRUSCHEV ...
> > 11:50:56 PM 25 July 2003
>