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05-11-2004, 06:28 PM

I wrote:
>:: On the way back up from 170, I tried to level off every 5 pounds,
>:: but I didn't feel better until maybe 195. For another 15 or 20
>:: pounds, I can eat cheeseburgers and cake all day, and remain healthy
>:: as long as I keep riding. My cholesterol is low, etc...I've just got
>:: this aerobelly.
On Tue, 11 May 2004 21:40:44 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
<rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>So, I'm curious as to what speed you average on your typical rides, given
>the type of terrain you ride and how long you've been at it.

I try to ride the flattest terrain I can. The reality is that I live
in Rhode Island which doesn't have any portion of pavement that goes
more than a mile without going up or down.

Today, riding partially with a group, I averaged 15 mph for 34
miles. Usually, I fail to pace myself well, and the end result is an
average between 13 and 14.5, and I feel terrible afterwards. Tonight
I feel great.

Of course, the hills around here do have one advantage: Max 43 mph,
and I didn't even decide to try for a high speed until after I was
already on the hill.

>I'm about 240 lbs right now, so I'd like an idea of what I might be able to
>expect if/when I get to 210 or so (I'm 6'1").

I'm a few inches shorter than you, medium to large frame (body
frame, not bike frame

.
--
Rick Onanian

05-11-2004, 07:19 PM

On Tue, 11 May 2004 21:16:04 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:23:56 GMT, "Mike Kruger"
><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>"Over the past 20 years, scientists have gathered a wealth of evidence
>>indicating that cardiovascular and metabolic fitness, and the activity
>>levels that promote such fitness, are far more important predictors of both
>>overall health and mortality risk than weight.
>...
>>puts it, Americans have "a misdirected obsession with weight and weight
>>loss. The focus is all wrong. It's fitness that is the key." "
>
>I figured this out when I dieted myself down to the upper-limit of
>my recommended weight. I felt terrible all the time, even though I
>was sure to provide sufficient nutrition. I've got little chance of
>being healthy if I ignore what my body tells me and force myself
>down to 170 pounds; OTOH, at 210 pounds, I feel good. I'd probably
>be best at 200, but hey, I get to eat all of everything I want this
>way...

Hmm. I'm doing LC, but at a rate of biking 100 miles per week, I can eat
pretty much whatever I want and still lose weight. I'm down six pounds this
month, and have actually been overeating a little.

What's your current weekly mileage?

-B

05-11-2004, 07:19 PM

On Tue, 11 May 2004 21:16:04 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:23:56 GMT, "Mike Kruger"
><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>"Over the past 20 years, scientists have gathered a wealth of evidence
>>indicating that cardiovascular and metabolic fitness, and the activity
>>levels that promote such fitness, are far more important predictors of both
>>overall health and mortality risk than weight.
>...
>>puts it, Americans have "a misdirected obsession with weight and weight
>>loss. The focus is all wrong. It's fitness that is the key." "
>
>I figured this out when I dieted myself down to the upper-limit of
>my recommended weight. I felt terrible all the time, even though I
>was sure to provide sufficient nutrition. I've got little chance of
>being healthy if I ignore what my body tells me and force myself
>down to 170 pounds; OTOH, at 210 pounds, I feel good. I'd probably
>be best at 200, but hey, I get to eat all of everything I want this
>way...

Hmm. I'm doing LC, but at a rate of biking 100 miles per week, I can eat
pretty much whatever I want and still lose weight. I'm down six pounds this
month, and have actually been overeating a little.

What's your current weekly mileage?

-B

05-11-2004, 07:19 PM

On Tue, 11 May 2004 21:16:04 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:23:56 GMT, "Mike Kruger"
><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>"Over the past 20 years, scientists have gathered a wealth of evidence
>>indicating that cardiovascular and metabolic fitness, and the activity
>>levels that promote such fitness, are far more important predictors of both
>>overall health and mortality risk than weight.
>...
>>puts it, Americans have "a misdirected obsession with weight and weight
>>loss. The focus is all wrong. It's fitness that is the key." "
>
>I figured this out when I dieted myself down to the upper-limit of
>my recommended weight. I felt terrible all the time, even though I
>was sure to provide sufficient nutrition. I've got little chance of
>being healthy if I ignore what my body tells me and force myself
>down to 170 pounds; OTOH, at 210 pounds, I feel good. I'd probably
>be best at 200, but hey, I get to eat all of everything I want this
>way...

Hmm. I'm doing LC, but at a rate of biking 100 miles per week, I can eat
pretty much whatever I want and still lose weight. I'm down six pounds this
month, and have actually been overeating a little.

What's your current weekly mileage?

-B

05-11-2004, 07:19 PM

On Tue, 11 May 2004 21:16:04 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:23:56 GMT, "Mike Kruger"
><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>"Over the past 20 years, scientists have gathered a wealth of evidence
>>indicating that cardiovascular and metabolic fitness, and the activity
>>levels that promote such fitness, are far more important predictors of both
>>overall health and mortality risk than weight.
>...
>>puts it, Americans have "a misdirected obsession with weight and weight
>>loss. The focus is all wrong. It's fitness that is the key." "
>
>I figured this out when I dieted myself down to the upper-limit of
>my recommended weight. I felt terrible all the time, even though I
>was sure to provide sufficient nutrition. I've got little chance of
>being healthy if I ignore what my body tells me and force myself
>down to 170 pounds; OTOH, at 210 pounds, I feel good. I'd probably
>be best at 200, but hey, I get to eat all of everything I want this
>way...

Hmm. I'm doing LC, but at a rate of biking 100 miles per week, I can eat
pretty much whatever I want and still lose weight. I'm down six pounds this
month, and have actually been overeating a little.

What's your current weekly mileage?

-B

05-11-2004, 07:19 PM

On Tue, 11 May 2004 21:16:04 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:23:56 GMT, "Mike Kruger"
><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>"Over the past 20 years, scientists have gathered a wealth of evidence
>>indicating that cardiovascular and metabolic fitness, and the activity
>>levels that promote such fitness, are far more important predictors of both
>>overall health and mortality risk than weight.
>...
>>puts it, Americans have "a misdirected obsession with weight and weight
>>loss. The focus is all wrong. It's fitness that is the key." "
>
>I figured this out when I dieted myself down to the upper-limit of
>my recommended weight. I felt terrible all the time, even though I
>was sure to provide sufficient nutrition. I've got little chance of
>being healthy if I ignore what my body tells me and force myself
>down to 170 pounds; OTOH, at 210 pounds, I feel good. I'd probably
>be best at 200, but hey, I get to eat all of everything I want this
>way...

Hmm. I'm doing LC, but at a rate of biking 100 miles per week, I can eat
pretty much whatever I want and still lose weight. I'm down six pounds this
month, and have actually been overeating a little.

What's your current weekly mileage?

-B

05-11-2004, 07:32 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>On Tue, 11 May 2004 21:16:04 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:23:56 GMT, "Mike Kruger"
>><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>"Over the past 20 years, scientists have gathered a wealth of evidence
>>>indicating that cardiovascular and metabolic fitness, and the activity
>>>levels that promote such fitness, are far more important predictors of both
>>>overall health and mortality risk than weight.
>>...
>>>puts it, Americans have "a misdirected obsession with weight and weight
>>>loss. The focus is all wrong. It's fitness that is the key." "
>>
>>I figured this out when I dieted myself down to the upper-limit of
>>my recommended weight. I felt terrible all the time, even though I
>>was sure to provide sufficient nutrition. I've got little chance of
>>being healthy if I ignore what my body tells me and force myself
>>down to 170 pounds; OTOH, at 210 pounds, I feel good. I'd probably
>>be best at 200, but hey, I get to eat all of everything I want this
>>way...
>
>Hmm. I'm doing LC, but at a rate of biking 100 miles per week, I can eat
>pretty much whatever I want and still lose weight. I'm down six pounds this
>month, and have actually been overeating a little.

If you're losing weight you have a net deficit of calories, which
means you are not over-eating. Six pounds in a month is pretty fast
weight loss, how long have you been getting results like that?

I am riding about 10-12 hours a week and maintaining pretty steady
weight... it does take a lot of food, but I don't have much weight
to lose, maybe another 5-10 tops so I don't worry about it.

Back to the topic though, while active overweight people may have
a reasonably healthy heart, in the long run many of them will develop
joint problems due to excess weight (knees, ankles, hips). These
problems are very hard to fix later in life and often contribute
to further increases in weight - joint problems tend to increase
sedentary behavior since moving hurts. Debilitating back pain
caused/worsened by excess weight is epidemic in this country, it
virtually supports the painkiller industry.

05-11-2004, 07:32 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>On Tue, 11 May 2004 21:16:04 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:23:56 GMT, "Mike Kruger"
>><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>"Over the past 20 years, scientists have gathered a wealth of evidence
>>>indicating that cardiovascular and metabolic fitness, and the activity
>>>levels that promote such fitness, are far more important predictors of both
>>>overall health and mortality risk than weight.
>>...
>>>puts it, Americans have "a misdirected obsession with weight and weight
>>>loss. The focus is all wrong. It's fitness that is the key." "
>>
>>I figured this out when I dieted myself down to the upper-limit of
>>my recommended weight. I felt terrible all the time, even though I
>>was sure to provide sufficient nutrition. I've got little chance of
>>being healthy if I ignore what my body tells me and force myself
>>down to 170 pounds; OTOH, at 210 pounds, I feel good. I'd probably
>>be best at 200, but hey, I get to eat all of everything I want this
>>way...
>
>Hmm. I'm doing LC, but at a rate of biking 100 miles per week, I can eat
>pretty much whatever I want and still lose weight. I'm down six pounds this
>month, and have actually been overeating a little.

If you're losing weight you have a net deficit of calories, which
means you are not over-eating. Six pounds in a month is pretty fast
weight loss, how long have you been getting results like that?

I am riding about 10-12 hours a week and maintaining pretty steady
weight... it does take a lot of food, but I don't have much weight
to lose, maybe another 5-10 tops so I don't worry about it.

Back to the topic though, while active overweight people may have
a reasonably healthy heart, in the long run many of them will develop
joint problems due to excess weight (knees, ankles, hips). These
problems are very hard to fix later in life and often contribute
to further increases in weight - joint problems tend to increase
sedentary behavior since moving hurts. Debilitating back pain
caused/worsened by excess weight is epidemic in this country, it
virtually supports the painkiller industry.

05-11-2004, 07:32 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>On Tue, 11 May 2004 21:16:04 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:23:56 GMT, "Mike Kruger"
>><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>"Over the past 20 years, scientists have gathered a wealth of evidence
>>>indicating that cardiovascular and metabolic fitness, and the activity
>>>levels that promote such fitness, are far more important predictors of both
>>>overall health and mortality risk than weight.
>>...
>>>puts it, Americans have "a misdirected obsession with weight and weight
>>>loss. The focus is all wrong. It's fitness that is the key." "
>>
>>I figured this out when I dieted myself down to the upper-limit of
>>my recommended weight. I felt terrible all the time, even though I
>>was sure to provide sufficient nutrition. I've got little chance of
>>being healthy if I ignore what my body tells me and force myself
>>down to 170 pounds; OTOH, at 210 pounds, I feel good. I'd probably
>>be best at 200, but hey, I get to eat all of everything I want this
>>way...
>
>Hmm. I'm doing LC, but at a rate of biking 100 miles per week, I can eat
>pretty much whatever I want and still lose weight. I'm down six pounds this
>month, and have actually been overeating a little.

If you're losing weight you have a net deficit of calories, which
means you are not over-eating. Six pounds in a month is pretty fast
weight loss, how long have you been getting results like that?

I am riding about 10-12 hours a week and maintaining pretty steady
weight... it does take a lot of food, but I don't have much weight
to lose, maybe another 5-10 tops so I don't worry about it.

Back to the topic though, while active overweight people may have
a reasonably healthy heart, in the long run many of them will develop
joint problems due to excess weight (knees, ankles, hips). These
problems are very hard to fix later in life and often contribute
to further increases in weight - joint problems tend to increase
sedentary behavior since moving hurts. Debilitating back pain
caused/worsened by excess weight is epidemic in this country, it
virtually supports the painkiller industry.

05-11-2004, 07:32 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>On Tue, 11 May 2004 21:16:04 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:23:56 GMT, "Mike Kruger"
>><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>"Over the past 20 years, scientists have gathered a wealth of evidence
>>>indicating that cardiovascular and metabolic fitness, and the activity
>>>levels that promote such fitness, are far more important predictors of both
>>>overall health and mortality risk than weight.
>>...
>>>puts it, Americans have "a misdirected obsession with weight and weight
>>>loss. The focus is all wrong. It's fitness that is the key." "
>>
>>I figured this out when I dieted myself down to the upper-limit of
>>my recommended weight. I felt terrible all the time, even though I
>>was sure to provide sufficient nutrition. I've got little chance of
>>being healthy if I ignore what my body tells me and force myself
>>down to 170 pounds; OTOH, at 210 pounds, I feel good. I'd probably
>>be best at 200, but hey, I get to eat all of everything I want this
>>way...
>
>Hmm. I'm doing LC, but at a rate of biking 100 miles per week, I can eat
>pretty much whatever I want and still lose weight. I'm down six pounds this
>month, and have actually been overeating a little.

If you're losing weight you have a net deficit of calories, which
means you are not over-eating. Six pounds in a month is pretty fast
weight loss, how long have you been getting results like that?

I am riding about 10-12 hours a week and maintaining pretty steady
weight... it does take a lot of food, but I don't have much weight
to lose, maybe another 5-10 tops so I don't worry about it.

Back to the topic though, while active overweight people may have
a reasonably healthy heart, in the long run many of them will develop
joint problems due to excess weight (knees, ankles, hips). These
problems are very hard to fix later in life and often contribute
to further increases in weight - joint problems tend to increase
sedentary behavior since moving hurts. Debilitating back pain
caused/worsened by excess weight is epidemic in this country, it
virtually supports the painkiller industry.