Carbo loading before a race? - Page 13 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

05-12-2004, 01:17 PM

On Wed, 12 May 2004 20:09:29 GMT, "curt" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>
>> Actually, for cycling, going stupid on the carb like a PL will just get
>you
>> water logged and make you heavier for your ride (assuming you were LCing
>> before hand). IMO, it is better to consume carbs right before and during
>> your ride, you can you burn them as they land and avoid water logging.
>
>Generally Roger I would agree, from what we have read and maybe your own
>experiences. I will say, I don't retain water if I eat carbs for a day. I
>don't go out and eat a whole pizza....well usually not, but I don't seem to
>have that effect of retaining water. Not sure why.
>
>I really think carb loading may work for some people and eating carbs while
>riding works for some and whatever. You really need to do things and find
>what works for you as an individual. I think most people should eat some
>carbs if they are going to do a longer ride. I road 45 miles today and am
>on low carb and did okay today. I was cranky at the end. I could have used
>a Cliff bar or something.
>
>I tend to eat sushi the night before and eat protein and some carbs for
>breakfast and I like a banana or a Cliff bar or something while I ride. I
>don't like to eat too much while riding however.
>
>Curt

Within reason, this is the crux, IMO. Experiment if you must but find what
works for you.

Lots of nutritional tinkering works for me that doesn't work for others. I
do really well on a LC diet, when many get headaches and/or feel bad.

-B

05-12-2004, 02:45 PM

> >Generally Roger I would agree, from what we have read and maybe your own
> >experiences. I will say, I don't retain water if I eat carbs for a day.
I
> >don't go out and eat a whole pizza....well usually not, but I don't seem
to
> >have that effect of retaining water. Not sure why.
> >
> >I really think carb loading may work for some people and eating carbs
while
> >riding works for some and whatever. You really need to do things and
find
> >what works for you as an individual. I think most people should eat some
> >carbs if they are going to do a longer ride. I road 45 miles today and
am
> >on low carb and did okay today. I was cranky at the end. I could have
used
> >a Cliff bar or something.
> >
> >I tend to eat sushi the night before and eat protein and some carbs for
> >breakfast and I like a banana or a Cliff bar or something while I ride.
I
> >don't like to eat too much while riding however.
> >
> >Curt
>
> Within reason, this is the crux, IMO. Experiment if you must but find what
> works for you.
>
> Lots of nutritional tinkering works for me that doesn't work for others. I
> do really well on a LC diet, when many get headaches and/or feel bad.
>
> -B

Interesting you mention LC diet and headaches. I confess, I get a headache
for about three days when I restart LC on about day 2 or 3 through day 4 or
5 and I really don't feel all that great. Then it goes away and I start
really feeling good. I suspect that many people start feeling bad for a
couple of days and go off the diet and say...I hate LC. The reason I say
this is because I have seen what people do on diets. They are not very
strict and they look for an excuse to quite. I should know, I was one of
them for years.

On the other hand, I am sure there are people that don't do well on LC.
There is no doubt people are different.
Curt

05-12-2004, 02:45 PM

> >Generally Roger I would agree, from what we have read and maybe your own
> >experiences. I will say, I don't retain water if I eat carbs for a day.
I
> >don't go out and eat a whole pizza....well usually not, but I don't seem
to
> >have that effect of retaining water. Not sure why.
> >
> >I really think carb loading may work for some people and eating carbs
while
> >riding works for some and whatever. You really need to do things and
find
> >what works for you as an individual. I think most people should eat some
> >carbs if they are going to do a longer ride. I road 45 miles today and
am
> >on low carb and did okay today. I was cranky at the end. I could have
used
> >a Cliff bar or something.
> >
> >I tend to eat sushi the night before and eat protein and some carbs for
> >breakfast and I like a banana or a Cliff bar or something while I ride.
I
> >don't like to eat too much while riding however.
> >
> >Curt
>
> Within reason, this is the crux, IMO. Experiment if you must but find what
> works for you.
>
> Lots of nutritional tinkering works for me that doesn't work for others. I
> do really well on a LC diet, when many get headaches and/or feel bad.
>
> -B

Interesting you mention LC diet and headaches. I confess, I get a headache
for about three days when I restart LC on about day 2 or 3 through day 4 or
5 and I really don't feel all that great. Then it goes away and I start
really feeling good. I suspect that many people start feeling bad for a
couple of days and go off the diet and say...I hate LC. The reason I say
this is because I have seen what people do on diets. They are not very
strict and they look for an excuse to quite. I should know, I was one of
them for years.

On the other hand, I am sure there are people that don't do well on LC.
There is no doubt people are different.
Curt

05-12-2004, 02:45 PM

> >Generally Roger I would agree, from what we have read and maybe your own
> >experiences. I will say, I don't retain water if I eat carbs for a day.
I
> >don't go out and eat a whole pizza....well usually not, but I don't seem
to
> >have that effect of retaining water. Not sure why.
> >
> >I really think carb loading may work for some people and eating carbs
while
> >riding works for some and whatever. You really need to do things and
find
> >what works for you as an individual. I think most people should eat some
> >carbs if they are going to do a longer ride. I road 45 miles today and
am
> >on low carb and did okay today. I was cranky at the end. I could have
used
> >a Cliff bar or something.
> >
> >I tend to eat sushi the night before and eat protein and some carbs for
> >breakfast and I like a banana or a Cliff bar or something while I ride.
I
> >don't like to eat too much while riding however.
> >
> >Curt
>
> Within reason, this is the crux, IMO. Experiment if you must but find what
> works for you.
>
> Lots of nutritional tinkering works for me that doesn't work for others. I
> do really well on a LC diet, when many get headaches and/or feel bad.
>
> -B

Interesting you mention LC diet and headaches. I confess, I get a headache
for about three days when I restart LC on about day 2 or 3 through day 4 or
5 and I really don't feel all that great. Then it goes away and I start
really feeling good. I suspect that many people start feeling bad for a
couple of days and go off the diet and say...I hate LC. The reason I say
this is because I have seen what people do on diets. They are not very
strict and they look for an excuse to quite. I should know, I was one of
them for years.

On the other hand, I am sure there are people that don't do well on LC.
There is no doubt people are different.
Curt

05-12-2004, 02:45 PM

> >Generally Roger I would agree, from what we have read and maybe your own
> >experiences. I will say, I don't retain water if I eat carbs for a day.
I
> >don't go out and eat a whole pizza....well usually not, but I don't seem
to
> >have that effect of retaining water. Not sure why.
> >
> >I really think carb loading may work for some people and eating carbs
while
> >riding works for some and whatever. You really need to do things and
find
> >what works for you as an individual. I think most people should eat some
> >carbs if they are going to do a longer ride. I road 45 miles today and
am
> >on low carb and did okay today. I was cranky at the end. I could have
used
> >a Cliff bar or something.
> >
> >I tend to eat sushi the night before and eat protein and some carbs for
> >breakfast and I like a banana or a Cliff bar or something while I ride.
I
> >don't like to eat too much while riding however.
> >
> >Curt
>
> Within reason, this is the crux, IMO. Experiment if you must but find what
> works for you.
>
> Lots of nutritional tinkering works for me that doesn't work for others. I
> do really well on a LC diet, when many get headaches and/or feel bad.
>
> -B

Interesting you mention LC diet and headaches. I confess, I get a headache
for about three days when I restart LC on about day 2 or 3 through day 4 or
5 and I really don't feel all that great. Then it goes away and I start
really feeling good. I suspect that many people start feeling bad for a
couple of days and go off the diet and say...I hate LC. The reason I say
this is because I have seen what people do on diets. They are not very
strict and they look for an excuse to quite. I should know, I was one of
them for years.

On the other hand, I am sure there are people that don't do well on LC.
There is no doubt people are different.
Curt

05-12-2004, 02:45 PM

> >Generally Roger I would agree, from what we have read and maybe your own
> >experiences. I will say, I don't retain water if I eat carbs for a day.
I
> >don't go out and eat a whole pizza....well usually not, but I don't seem
to
> >have that effect of retaining water. Not sure why.
> >
> >I really think carb loading may work for some people and eating carbs
while
> >riding works for some and whatever. You really need to do things and
find
> >what works for you as an individual. I think most people should eat some
> >carbs if they are going to do a longer ride. I road 45 miles today and
am
> >on low carb and did okay today. I was cranky at the end. I could have
used
> >a Cliff bar or something.
> >
> >I tend to eat sushi the night before and eat protein and some carbs for
> >breakfast and I like a banana or a Cliff bar or something while I ride.
I
> >don't like to eat too much while riding however.
> >
> >Curt
>
> Within reason, this is the crux, IMO. Experiment if you must but find what
> works for you.
>
> Lots of nutritional tinkering works for me that doesn't work for others. I
> do really well on a LC diet, when many get headaches and/or feel bad.
>
> -B

Interesting you mention LC diet and headaches. I confess, I get a headache
for about three days when I restart LC on about day 2 or 3 through day 4 or
5 and I really don't feel all that great. Then it goes away and I start
really feeling good. I suspect that many people start feeling bad for a
couple of days and go off the diet and say...I hate LC. The reason I say
this is because I have seen what people do on diets. They are not very
strict and they look for an excuse to quite. I should know, I was one of
them for years.

On the other hand, I am sure there are people that don't do well on LC.
There is no doubt people are different.
Curt

05-12-2004, 03:11 PM

On Wed, 12 May 2004 21:45:50 GMT, "curt" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>> Within reason, this is the crux, IMO. Experiment if you must but find what
>> works for you.
>>
>> Lots of nutritional tinkering works for me that doesn't work for others. I
>> do really well on a LC diet, when many get headaches and/or feel bad.
>>
>> -B
>
>Interesting you mention LC diet and headaches. I confess, I get a headache
>for about three days when I restart LC on about day 2 or 3 through day 4 or
>5 and I really don't feel all that great. Then it goes away and I start
>really feeling good. I suspect that many people start feeling bad for a
>couple of days and go off the diet and say...I hate LC. The reason I say
>this is because I have seen what people do on diets. They are not very
>strict and they look for an excuse to quite. I should know, I was one of
>them for years.
>
>On the other hand, I am sure there are people that don't do well on LC.
>There is no doubt people are different.
>Curt

I remember years ago reading about how bodybuilders got 'cut' for
competition, and wondering how in the world they were able to eat boiled
chicken, rinsed tunafish, and protein drinks and little else.

At the time, I was ruled by the food, and felt I was weak for not being
able to lose weight, or diet, or cut the subcutaneous fat, etc.

It was surprising as hell to discover the trick was to do what the Atkins
ppl call 'induction' where you go on a mostly protein diet for about 6-10
days to purge the carbs out of your system.

It was amazing. After about day 7 or 8 I no longer had -any- desire to eat
carbs, and _I_ controlled the diet. I decided intellectually (duh) what to
eat, and could fast or do whatever the heck I wanted to and the fat weight
just came flying off. At this point I decided I was a carb addict, and it
was the endorphin rush and the use of food as a drug that had me hooked. I
had hated that. I went for about 6 months eating no overt carbs. Of course
you get a fair amount of 'hidden', or non-obvious carbs; in milk, in
cheese, in processed meat and soforth, but I'm pretty sure I kept it below
20grams per day.

It's really a 'high' for me. I need less sleep, don't get tired or sleepy
during the day, and have a lot of energy. People say that's nuts, you need
carbs and whatever, but in my case I seemed to thrive. What I really liked
was being in 'control' of the food, and not the other way around.

Now I'm at a point where I 'decide' to have some carbs, usually fruit
drinks and soforth to help me on bike rides over 45 minutes, and I'll
occasionally eat dark chocolate, or munch on some sweet tarts before or
after exercise, but mostly survive on turkey, salmon and green beans. My
wife says she thinks I'm some kind of mutant. heh.

Anyway, your body, your science experiment I always say. ;-)

-B

05-12-2004, 03:11 PM

On Wed, 12 May 2004 21:45:50 GMT, "curt" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>> Within reason, this is the crux, IMO. Experiment if you must but find what
>> works for you.
>>
>> Lots of nutritional tinkering works for me that doesn't work for others. I
>> do really well on a LC diet, when many get headaches and/or feel bad.
>>
>> -B
>
>Interesting you mention LC diet and headaches. I confess, I get a headache
>for about three days when I restart LC on about day 2 or 3 through day 4 or
>5 and I really don't feel all that great. Then it goes away and I start
>really feeling good. I suspect that many people start feeling bad for a
>couple of days and go off the diet and say...I hate LC. The reason I say
>this is because I have seen what people do on diets. They are not very
>strict and they look for an excuse to quite. I should know, I was one of
>them for years.
>
>On the other hand, I am sure there are people that don't do well on LC.
>There is no doubt people are different.
>Curt

I remember years ago reading about how bodybuilders got 'cut' for
competition, and wondering how in the world they were able to eat boiled
chicken, rinsed tunafish, and protein drinks and little else.

At the time, I was ruled by the food, and felt I was weak for not being
able to lose weight, or diet, or cut the subcutaneous fat, etc.

It was surprising as hell to discover the trick was to do what the Atkins
ppl call 'induction' where you go on a mostly protein diet for about 6-10
days to purge the carbs out of your system.

It was amazing. After about day 7 or 8 I no longer had -any- desire to eat
carbs, and _I_ controlled the diet. I decided intellectually (duh) what to
eat, and could fast or do whatever the heck I wanted to and the fat weight
just came flying off. At this point I decided I was a carb addict, and it
was the endorphin rush and the use of food as a drug that had me hooked. I
had hated that. I went for about 6 months eating no overt carbs. Of course
you get a fair amount of 'hidden', or non-obvious carbs; in milk, in
cheese, in processed meat and soforth, but I'm pretty sure I kept it below
20grams per day.

It's really a 'high' for me. I need less sleep, don't get tired or sleepy
during the day, and have a lot of energy. People say that's nuts, you need
carbs and whatever, but in my case I seemed to thrive. What I really liked
was being in 'control' of the food, and not the other way around.

Now I'm at a point where I 'decide' to have some carbs, usually fruit
drinks and soforth to help me on bike rides over 45 minutes, and I'll
occasionally eat dark chocolate, or munch on some sweet tarts before or
after exercise, but mostly survive on turkey, salmon and green beans. My
wife says she thinks I'm some kind of mutant. heh.

Anyway, your body, your science experiment I always say. ;-)

-B

05-12-2004, 03:11 PM

On Wed, 12 May 2004 21:45:50 GMT, "curt" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>> Within reason, this is the crux, IMO. Experiment if you must but find what
>> works for you.
>>
>> Lots of nutritional tinkering works for me that doesn't work for others. I
>> do really well on a LC diet, when many get headaches and/or feel bad.
>>
>> -B
>
>Interesting you mention LC diet and headaches. I confess, I get a headache
>for about three days when I restart LC on about day 2 or 3 through day 4 or
>5 and I really don't feel all that great. Then it goes away and I start
>really feeling good. I suspect that many people start feeling bad for a
>couple of days and go off the diet and say...I hate LC. The reason I say
>this is because I have seen what people do on diets. They are not very
>strict and they look for an excuse to quite. I should know, I was one of
>them for years.
>
>On the other hand, I am sure there are people that don't do well on LC.
>There is no doubt people are different.
>Curt

I remember years ago reading about how bodybuilders got 'cut' for
competition, and wondering how in the world they were able to eat boiled
chicken, rinsed tunafish, and protein drinks and little else.

At the time, I was ruled by the food, and felt I was weak for not being
able to lose weight, or diet, or cut the subcutaneous fat, etc.

It was surprising as hell to discover the trick was to do what the Atkins
ppl call 'induction' where you go on a mostly protein diet for about 6-10
days to purge the carbs out of your system.

It was amazing. After about day 7 or 8 I no longer had -any- desire to eat
carbs, and _I_ controlled the diet. I decided intellectually (duh) what to
eat, and could fast or do whatever the heck I wanted to and the fat weight
just came flying off. At this point I decided I was a carb addict, and it
was the endorphin rush and the use of food as a drug that had me hooked. I
had hated that. I went for about 6 months eating no overt carbs. Of course
you get a fair amount of 'hidden', or non-obvious carbs; in milk, in
cheese, in processed meat and soforth, but I'm pretty sure I kept it below
20grams per day.

It's really a 'high' for me. I need less sleep, don't get tired or sleepy
during the day, and have a lot of energy. People say that's nuts, you need
carbs and whatever, but in my case I seemed to thrive. What I really liked
was being in 'control' of the food, and not the other way around.

Now I'm at a point where I 'decide' to have some carbs, usually fruit
drinks and soforth to help me on bike rides over 45 minutes, and I'll
occasionally eat dark chocolate, or munch on some sweet tarts before or
after exercise, but mostly survive on turkey, salmon and green beans. My
wife says she thinks I'm some kind of mutant. heh.

Anyway, your body, your science experiment I always say. ;-)

-B

05-12-2004, 03:11 PM

On Wed, 12 May 2004 21:45:50 GMT, "curt" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>> Within reason, this is the crux, IMO. Experiment if you must but find what
>> works for you.
>>
>> Lots of nutritional tinkering works for me that doesn't work for others. I
>> do really well on a LC diet, when many get headaches and/or feel bad.
>>
>> -B
>
>Interesting you mention LC diet and headaches. I confess, I get a headache
>for about three days when I restart LC on about day 2 or 3 through day 4 or
>5 and I really don't feel all that great. Then it goes away and I start
>really feeling good. I suspect that many people start feeling bad for a
>couple of days and go off the diet and say...I hate LC. The reason I say
>this is because I have seen what people do on diets. They are not very
>strict and they look for an excuse to quite. I should know, I was one of
>them for years.
>
>On the other hand, I am sure there are people that don't do well on LC.
>There is no doubt people are different.
>Curt

I remember years ago reading about how bodybuilders got 'cut' for
competition, and wondering how in the world they were able to eat boiled
chicken, rinsed tunafish, and protein drinks and little else.

At the time, I was ruled by the food, and felt I was weak for not being
able to lose weight, or diet, or cut the subcutaneous fat, etc.

It was surprising as hell to discover the trick was to do what the Atkins
ppl call 'induction' where you go on a mostly protein diet for about 6-10
days to purge the carbs out of your system.

It was amazing. After about day 7 or 8 I no longer had -any- desire to eat
carbs, and _I_ controlled the diet. I decided intellectually (duh) what to
eat, and could fast or do whatever the heck I wanted to and the fat weight
just came flying off. At this point I decided I was a carb addict, and it
was the endorphin rush and the use of food as a drug that had me hooked. I
had hated that. I went for about 6 months eating no overt carbs. Of course
you get a fair amount of 'hidden', or non-obvious carbs; in milk, in
cheese, in processed meat and soforth, but I'm pretty sure I kept it below
20grams per day.

It's really a 'high' for me. I need less sleep, don't get tired or sleepy
during the day, and have a lot of energy. People say that's nuts, you need
carbs and whatever, but in my case I seemed to thrive. What I really liked
was being in 'control' of the food, and not the other way around.

Now I'm at a point where I 'decide' to have some carbs, usually fruit
drinks and soforth to help me on bike rides over 45 minutes, and I'll
occasionally eat dark chocolate, or munch on some sweet tarts before or
after exercise, but mostly survive on turkey, salmon and green beans. My
wife says she thinks I'm some kind of mutant. heh.

Anyway, your body, your science experiment I always say. ;-)

-B