Carbo loading before a race? - Page 3

05-11-2004, 07:09 PM

On Wed, 12 May 2004 02:28:55 GMT, "carbo_jim"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>It is a know fact that carbs are poisonous to humans, hence the atkins
>revolution.

This propaganda is unfortunately foisted on those whose ignorance
will allow it.

Carbohydrates are a necessary part of a healthy diet. An unhealthy
diet that's missing important parts can cause weight loss, which is
why no-carb or no-[protein+fat+whatever] diets can result in lost
weight. The lost weight does not necessarily mean a healthier body.

>Let me put it this way, your grandfather was just hunting and gathering right?

My grandfather bought his food and served on a ship in the navy. He
hunted other ships, and gathered...umm...medals?

Somewhere, pre-civilization, my ancestors did hunt and gather. Of
course, they hunted protein/fat and gathered carbohydrates. This was
many thousands of years ago; since then, and over an
evolutionary-length period, humans of many/most descents have eaten
bread very commonly, maybe even as most of their diet.

I don't think that, 4500 years ago, the Egyptians building pyramids
were having any "carbohydrate poisoning" problems, eating bread
often.

From [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] :
:For the common people of Egypt, cereal foods formed the main
:backbone of their diet from the predynastic period onward.* Even for
:the rich, this staple mean generally consisted of a variety of
:different breads, often with other ingredients mixed in.

Other civilizations also ate bread, prospered, and later descended
to become you and me.

>And as lean as they were, do you think that carbs were a dietary artifact, no?
>No. It is a know proven fact now that the health of the ancients was due to low
>carb hi protein (and yes even some fats).

Their alleged health was due to their exercise -- they had to run
all day to get their food. They didn't live very long, so their
bodies were younger and probably healthier when they died.

>For biking I would encourage a solid breakfast of ham and eggs with coffee.

Carbohydrates are the fuel your body uses best. There's no sense in
depriving your body of it's optimum fuel when you're asking it to
provide high output. Of course, more important is experimenting to
find out what works for _you_ -- if you perform and/or feel better
on ham and eggs with coffee, then that's definitely what you should
have before a race. The best way to find out is to experiment.

All this talk about food is making me hungry. Gimme a cheeseburger,
with the bun!
--
Rick Onanian

05-11-2004, 07:31 PM

On Tue, 11 May 2004 23:50:04 -0300, "KB"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].NOSPAM> wrote:

>hmmm....can't say I disagree with you since I really don't know the answer
>for sure, but I know that I have recently read in textbooks that carbo
>loading helps store glycogen in muscles, and that for prolonged efforts, if
>your muscles run out of glycogen, cramping etc. will occur...
>I too am interested to hear what others here do..

The trick is this...

Eat the carbs, by themselves (i.e., not with fat or protein) and eat them
just before or just after the exercise. This will cause a rise in insulin,
but because of the needs of the body going into or finishing exercise, the
nutrients will be used to build muscle, and will not go into fat storage.

In between exercise, it's better for those predisposed to gain weight
(fat), to eat higher protein and good fat.

Works for me.

Just before a ride I will eat some small amt of carbs (couple pieces of
chocolate?), and finish with some diluted OJ. Then about two hours later
I'll eat the protein meal. Two or three hours after that, and just before
or after the next exercise period, I repeat.

I have found that even sugar free drinks or chewing gum will often suffice.
I think in some ppl, the sweet taste can cause a rise in insulin, and thus
movement of nutrient into muscles.

Obviously, the converse is true. Beware of eating sweet-tasting things
along with fat, b/c you might be one of those that has an insulin rise just
to the taste, even in the absence of digestible carbs/glucose.

-B

05-11-2004, 07:31 PM

On Tue, 11 May 2004 23:50:04 -0300, "KB"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].NOSPAM> wrote:

>hmmm....can't say I disagree with you since I really don't know the answer
>for sure, but I know that I have recently read in textbooks that carbo
>loading helps store glycogen in muscles, and that for prolonged efforts, if
>your muscles run out of glycogen, cramping etc. will occur...
>I too am interested to hear what others here do..

The trick is this...

Eat the carbs, by themselves (i.e., not with fat or protein) and eat them
just before or just after the exercise. This will cause a rise in insulin,
but because of the needs of the body going into or finishing exercise, the
nutrients will be used to build muscle, and will not go into fat storage.

In between exercise, it's better for those predisposed to gain weight
(fat), to eat higher protein and good fat.

Works for me.

Just before a ride I will eat some small amt of carbs (couple pieces of
chocolate?), and finish with some diluted OJ. Then about two hours later
I'll eat the protein meal. Two or three hours after that, and just before
or after the next exercise period, I repeat.

I have found that even sugar free drinks or chewing gum will often suffice.
I think in some ppl, the sweet taste can cause a rise in insulin, and thus
movement of nutrient into muscles.

Obviously, the converse is true. Beware of eating sweet-tasting things
along with fat, b/c you might be one of those that has an insulin rise just
to the taste, even in the absence of digestible carbs/glucose.

-B

05-11-2004, 07:31 PM

On Tue, 11 May 2004 23:50:04 -0300, "KB"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].NOSPAM> wrote:

>hmmm....can't say I disagree with you since I really don't know the answer
>for sure, but I know that I have recently read in textbooks that carbo
>loading helps store glycogen in muscles, and that for prolonged efforts, if
>your muscles run out of glycogen, cramping etc. will occur...
>I too am interested to hear what others here do..

The trick is this...

Eat the carbs, by themselves (i.e., not with fat or protein) and eat them
just before or just after the exercise. This will cause a rise in insulin,
but because of the needs of the body going into or finishing exercise, the
nutrients will be used to build muscle, and will not go into fat storage.

In between exercise, it's better for those predisposed to gain weight
(fat), to eat higher protein and good fat.

Works for me.

Just before a ride I will eat some small amt of carbs (couple pieces of
chocolate?), and finish with some diluted OJ. Then about two hours later
I'll eat the protein meal. Two or three hours after that, and just before
or after the next exercise period, I repeat.

I have found that even sugar free drinks or chewing gum will often suffice.
I think in some ppl, the sweet taste can cause a rise in insulin, and thus
movement of nutrient into muscles.

Obviously, the converse is true. Beware of eating sweet-tasting things
along with fat, b/c you might be one of those that has an insulin rise just
to the taste, even in the absence of digestible carbs/glucose.

-B

05-11-2004, 07:31 PM

On Tue, 11 May 2004 23:50:04 -0300, "KB"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].NOSPAM> wrote:

>hmmm....can't say I disagree with you since I really don't know the answer
>for sure, but I know that I have recently read in textbooks that carbo
>loading helps store glycogen in muscles, and that for prolonged efforts, if
>your muscles run out of glycogen, cramping etc. will occur...
>I too am interested to hear what others here do..

The trick is this...

Eat the carbs, by themselves (i.e., not with fat or protein) and eat them
just before or just after the exercise. This will cause a rise in insulin,
but because of the needs of the body going into or finishing exercise, the
nutrients will be used to build muscle, and will not go into fat storage.

In between exercise, it's better for those predisposed to gain weight
(fat), to eat higher protein and good fat.

Works for me.

Just before a ride I will eat some small amt of carbs (couple pieces of
chocolate?), and finish with some diluted OJ. Then about two hours later
I'll eat the protein meal. Two or three hours after that, and just before
or after the next exercise period, I repeat.

I have found that even sugar free drinks or chewing gum will often suffice.
I think in some ppl, the sweet taste can cause a rise in insulin, and thus
movement of nutrient into muscles.

Obviously, the converse is true. Beware of eating sweet-tasting things
along with fat, b/c you might be one of those that has an insulin rise just
to the taste, even in the absence of digestible carbs/glucose.

-B

05-11-2004, 07:31 PM

On Tue, 11 May 2004 23:50:04 -0300, "KB"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].NOSPAM> wrote:

>hmmm....can't say I disagree with you since I really don't know the answer
>for sure, but I know that I have recently read in textbooks that carbo
>loading helps store glycogen in muscles, and that for prolonged efforts, if
>your muscles run out of glycogen, cramping etc. will occur...
>I too am interested to hear what others here do..

The trick is this...

Eat the carbs, by themselves (i.e., not with fat or protein) and eat them
just before or just after the exercise. This will cause a rise in insulin,
but because of the needs of the body going into or finishing exercise, the
nutrients will be used to build muscle, and will not go into fat storage.

In between exercise, it's better for those predisposed to gain weight
(fat), to eat higher protein and good fat.

Works for me.

Just before a ride I will eat some small amt of carbs (couple pieces of
chocolate?), and finish with some diluted OJ. Then about two hours later
I'll eat the protein meal. Two or three hours after that, and just before
or after the next exercise period, I repeat.

I have found that even sugar free drinks or chewing gum will often suffice.
I think in some ppl, the sweet taste can cause a rise in insulin, and thus
movement of nutrient into muscles.

Obviously, the converse is true. Beware of eating sweet-tasting things
along with fat, b/c you might be one of those that has an insulin rise just
to the taste, even in the absence of digestible carbs/glucose.

-B

05-11-2004, 07:33 PM

On Tue, 11 May 2004 23:09:48 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 May 2004 02:28:55 GMT, "carbo_jim"
><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>It is a know fact that carbs are poisonous to humans, hence the atkins
>>revolution.
>
>This propaganda is unfortunately foisted on those whose ignorance
>will allow it.
>
>Carbohydrates are a necessary part of a healthy diet.

There is -no- dietary requirement for carbs. The body produces glucose when
needed by way of 'gluconeogenesis'.

This doesn't mean that judicious use of glucose/carbs can't help the
exercising individual.

-B

05-11-2004, 07:33 PM

On Tue, 11 May 2004 23:09:48 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 May 2004 02:28:55 GMT, "carbo_jim"
><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>It is a know fact that carbs are poisonous to humans, hence the atkins
>>revolution.
>
>This propaganda is unfortunately foisted on those whose ignorance
>will allow it.
>
>Carbohydrates are a necessary part of a healthy diet.

There is -no- dietary requirement for carbs. The body produces glucose when
needed by way of 'gluconeogenesis'.

This doesn't mean that judicious use of glucose/carbs can't help the
exercising individual.

-B

05-11-2004, 07:33 PM

On Tue, 11 May 2004 23:09:48 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 May 2004 02:28:55 GMT, "carbo_jim"
><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>It is a know fact that carbs are poisonous to humans, hence the atkins
>>revolution.
>
>This propaganda is unfortunately foisted on those whose ignorance
>will allow it.
>
>Carbohydrates are a necessary part of a healthy diet.

There is -no- dietary requirement for carbs. The body produces glucose when
needed by way of 'gluconeogenesis'.

This doesn't mean that judicious use of glucose/carbs can't help the
exercising individual.

-B

05-11-2004, 07:33 PM

On Tue, 11 May 2004 23:09:48 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 May 2004 02:28:55 GMT, "carbo_jim"
><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>It is a know fact that carbs are poisonous to humans, hence the atkins
>>revolution.
>
>This propaganda is unfortunately foisted on those whose ignorance
>will allow it.
>
>Carbohydrates are a necessary part of a healthy diet.

There is -no- dietary requirement for carbs. The body produces glucose when
needed by way of 'gluconeogenesis'.

This doesn't mean that judicious use of glucose/carbs can't help the
exercising individual.

-B