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05-21-2004, 03:24 AM

"Doug Cook" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> I know I asked for some thoughts, but come on, people! 170 responses in
> 48hrs? Maybe I should have asked a less controversial question like the
> role of religion in politics or something.

Nothing controversial about it. Losing weight is NOT complicated. Fat people
like to think it is, but it isn't. I'll say this again---if you burn more
calories than you intake, you will lose weight. Period. The body is kinda
neat in the way it follows the laws of physics. Yes, you can do all sorts of
tricks, like carbohydrate reduction and such, but it all comes down to
intake vs. output. You weigh 274 pounds, so you need to intake at least 2740
just to maintain. Since you're riding a lot, you have to be eating a lot of
calories somewhere. You're on the right track by monitoring what you eat,
but make sure to keep portion control. Measure your food if you have to. If
you eat 2700 kcal/day and exercise, you will lose weight. Just remember to
keep yourself in calorie debt. Exercise is not an excuse to pig out, until
you get to racer-weight. :-)

05-21-2004, 03:27 AM

I told you to cut carbs. Maybe you didn't even read it. If you want to
lose weight cut carbs. Read the Atkins book, probably too much work for
you.

Curt
--
Started low carb May '03 this time.
211/182/180 . . 6'2" 15.78% BF?
Age 38
Highest weight 250 5+ years ago

"Doug Cook" <dougconsult@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JrudnQhuXq9gFTDdRVn-sQ@aros.net...
> I know I asked for some thoughts, but come on, people! 170 responses in
> 48hrs? Maybe I should have asked a less controversial question like the
> role of religion in politics or something. Or maybe you all should be
> spending more time on your bikes and less in front of the computer!

>
> Here are some generalized opinions culled from those replies and my
response
> to them.
>
> 1. I don't realize how much I'm really eating - Maybe, but I've started
> keeping track again of everything that enters my mouth (I've done this
> before). In the last two days (two typical days to the best of my
judgment)
> my caloric intake has not exceeded 2700. I'll keep tracking for a week or
> two to see if that changes, but I doubt it will. I just can't eat that
> much. Maybe I'm binging on the weekends.
>
> 2. I'm not burning as much as I think I am on my rides - Maybe, but my
> computer is correctly set, and I do wear a HRM. Every calculator I can
find
> tells me I'm burning at least 6400 calories a week on my rides, and some
> estimate it as high as 10,000. I keep a ride dairy, so I know I'm not
over
> estimating my miles. Remember, I weigh 274.
>
> 3. I have a diabetic condition that is preventing me from losing weight -
> This worried me. My family does have a history of Type II when they get
old
> and fat, but I have had none of the symptoms. But I did get a HbA1c test.
> 4.7%. 7% is considered threshold level for some kind of diabetic
disorder.
>
> So... after 170 posts (for which I'm grateful, don't get me wrong), I'm
back
> to beginning. I guess I'll go see a medical pro. Get all the offiicial
> tests on the treadmill and all that. Who do I see? A sports
physiologist?
>
> Thanks
>
>

05-21-2004, 03:27 AM

I told you to cut carbs. Maybe you didn't even read it. If you want to
lose weight cut carbs. Read the Atkins book, probably too much work for
you.

Curt
--
Started low carb May '03 this time.
211/182/180 . . 6'2" 15.78% BF?
Age 38
Highest weight 250 5+ years ago

"Doug Cook" <dougconsult@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JrudnQhuXq9gFTDdRVn-sQ@aros.net...
> I know I asked for some thoughts, but come on, people! 170 responses in
> 48hrs? Maybe I should have asked a less controversial question like the
> role of religion in politics or something. Or maybe you all should be
> spending more time on your bikes and less in front of the computer!

>
> Here are some generalized opinions culled from those replies and my
response
> to them.
>
> 1. I don't realize how much I'm really eating - Maybe, but I've started
> keeping track again of everything that enters my mouth (I've done this
> before). In the last two days (two typical days to the best of my
judgment)
> my caloric intake has not exceeded 2700. I'll keep tracking for a week or
> two to see if that changes, but I doubt it will. I just can't eat that
> much. Maybe I'm binging on the weekends.
>
> 2. I'm not burning as much as I think I am on my rides - Maybe, but my
> computer is correctly set, and I do wear a HRM. Every calculator I can
find
> tells me I'm burning at least 6400 calories a week on my rides, and some
> estimate it as high as 10,000. I keep a ride dairy, so I know I'm not
over
> estimating my miles. Remember, I weigh 274.
>
> 3. I have a diabetic condition that is preventing me from losing weight -
> This worried me. My family does have a history of Type II when they get
old
> and fat, but I have had none of the symptoms. But I did get a HbA1c test.
> 4.7%. 7% is considered threshold level for some kind of diabetic
disorder.
>
> So... after 170 posts (for which I'm grateful, don't get me wrong), I'm
back
> to beginning. I guess I'll go see a medical pro. Get all the offiicial
> tests on the treadmill and all that. Who do I see? A sports
physiologist?
>
> Thanks
>
>

05-21-2004, 03:27 AM

I told you to cut carbs. Maybe you didn't even read it. If you want to
lose weight cut carbs. Read the Atkins book, probably too much work for
you.

Curt
--
Started low carb May '03 this time.
211/182/180 . . 6'2" 15.78% BF?
Age 38
Highest weight 250 5+ years ago

"Doug Cook" <dougconsult@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JrudnQhuXq9gFTDdRVn-sQ@aros.net...
> I know I asked for some thoughts, but come on, people! 170 responses in
> 48hrs? Maybe I should have asked a less controversial question like the
> role of religion in politics or something. Or maybe you all should be
> spending more time on your bikes and less in front of the computer!

>
> Here are some generalized opinions culled from those replies and my
response
> to them.
>
> 1. I don't realize how much I'm really eating - Maybe, but I've started
> keeping track again of everything that enters my mouth (I've done this
> before). In the last two days (two typical days to the best of my
judgment)
> my caloric intake has not exceeded 2700. I'll keep tracking for a week or
> two to see if that changes, but I doubt it will. I just can't eat that
> much. Maybe I'm binging on the weekends.
>
> 2. I'm not burning as much as I think I am on my rides - Maybe, but my
> computer is correctly set, and I do wear a HRM. Every calculator I can
find
> tells me I'm burning at least 6400 calories a week on my rides, and some
> estimate it as high as 10,000. I keep a ride dairy, so I know I'm not
over
> estimating my miles. Remember, I weigh 274.
>
> 3. I have a diabetic condition that is preventing me from losing weight -
> This worried me. My family does have a history of Type II when they get
old
> and fat, but I have had none of the symptoms. But I did get a HbA1c test.
> 4.7%. 7% is considered threshold level for some kind of diabetic
disorder.
>
> So... after 170 posts (for which I'm grateful, don't get me wrong), I'm
back
> to beginning. I guess I'll go see a medical pro. Get all the offiicial
> tests on the treadmill and all that. Who do I see? A sports
physiologist?
>
> Thanks
>
>

05-21-2004, 03:27 AM

I told you to cut carbs. Maybe you didn't even read it. If you want to
lose weight cut carbs. Read the Atkins book, probably too much work for
you.

Curt
--
Started low carb May '03 this time.
211/182/180 . . 6'2" 15.78% BF?
Age 38
Highest weight 250 5+ years ago

"Doug Cook" <dougconsult@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JrudnQhuXq9gFTDdRVn-sQ@aros.net...
> I know I asked for some thoughts, but come on, people! 170 responses in
> 48hrs? Maybe I should have asked a less controversial question like the
> role of religion in politics or something. Or maybe you all should be
> spending more time on your bikes and less in front of the computer!

>
> Here are some generalized opinions culled from those replies and my
response
> to them.
>
> 1. I don't realize how much I'm really eating - Maybe, but I've started
> keeping track again of everything that enters my mouth (I've done this
> before). In the last two days (two typical days to the best of my
judgment)
> my caloric intake has not exceeded 2700. I'll keep tracking for a week or
> two to see if that changes, but I doubt it will. I just can't eat that
> much. Maybe I'm binging on the weekends.
>
> 2. I'm not burning as much as I think I am on my rides - Maybe, but my
> computer is correctly set, and I do wear a HRM. Every calculator I can
find
> tells me I'm burning at least 6400 calories a week on my rides, and some
> estimate it as high as 10,000. I keep a ride dairy, so I know I'm not
over
> estimating my miles. Remember, I weigh 274.
>
> 3. I have a diabetic condition that is preventing me from losing weight -
> This worried me. My family does have a history of Type II when they get
old
> and fat, but I have had none of the symptoms. But I did get a HbA1c test.
> 4.7%. 7% is considered threshold level for some kind of diabetic
disorder.
>
> So... after 170 posts (for which I'm grateful, don't get me wrong), I'm
back
> to beginning. I guess I'll go see a medical pro. Get all the offiicial
> tests on the treadmill and all that. Who do I see? A sports
physiologist?
>
> Thanks
>
>

05-21-2004, 03:27 AM

I told you to cut carbs. Maybe you didn't even read it. If you want to
lose weight cut carbs. Read the Atkins book, probably too much work for
you.

Curt
--
Started low carb May '03 this time.
211/182/180 . . 6'2" 15.78% BF?
Age 38
Highest weight 250 5+ years ago

"Doug Cook" <dougconsult@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JrudnQhuXq9gFTDdRVn-sQ@aros.net...
> I know I asked for some thoughts, but come on, people! 170 responses in
> 48hrs? Maybe I should have asked a less controversial question like the
> role of religion in politics or something. Or maybe you all should be
> spending more time on your bikes and less in front of the computer!

>
> Here are some generalized opinions culled from those replies and my
response
> to them.
>
> 1. I don't realize how much I'm really eating - Maybe, but I've started
> keeping track again of everything that enters my mouth (I've done this
> before). In the last two days (two typical days to the best of my
judgment)
> my caloric intake has not exceeded 2700. I'll keep tracking for a week or
> two to see if that changes, but I doubt it will. I just can't eat that
> much. Maybe I'm binging on the weekends.
>
> 2. I'm not burning as much as I think I am on my rides - Maybe, but my
> computer is correctly set, and I do wear a HRM. Every calculator I can
find
> tells me I'm burning at least 6400 calories a week on my rides, and some
> estimate it as high as 10,000. I keep a ride dairy, so I know I'm not
over
> estimating my miles. Remember, I weigh 274.
>
> 3. I have a diabetic condition that is preventing me from losing weight -
> This worried me. My family does have a history of Type II when they get
old
> and fat, but I have had none of the symptoms. But I did get a HbA1c test.
> 4.7%. 7% is considered threshold level for some kind of diabetic
disorder.
>
> So... after 170 posts (for which I'm grateful, don't get me wrong), I'm
back
> to beginning. I guess I'll go see a medical pro. Get all the offiicial
> tests on the treadmill and all that. Who do I see? A sports
physiologist?
>
> Thanks
>
>

05-21-2004, 03:47 AM

Doug Cook wrote:
:: I know I asked for some thoughts, but come on, people! 170
:: responses in 48hrs? Maybe I should have asked a less controversial
:: question like the role of religion in politics or something. Or
:: maybe you all should be spending more time on your bikes and less in
:: front of the computer!

::
:: Here are some generalized opinions culled from those replies and my
:: response to them.
::
:: 1. I don't realize how much I'm really eating - Maybe, but I've
:: started keeping track again of everything that enters my mouth (I've
:: done this before). In the last two days (two typical days to the
:: best of my judgment) my caloric intake has not exceeded 2700. I'll
:: keep tracking for a week or two to see if that changes, but I doubt
:: it will. I just can't eat that much. Maybe I'm binging on the
:: weekends.

Do you have a scale and measure and weigh what you eat? I assume you're
making your own meals and not eating out, right?

::
:: 2. I'm not burning as much as I think I am on my rides - Maybe, but
:: my computer is correctly set, and I do wear a HRM. Every calculator
:: I can find tells me I'm burning at least 6400 calories a week on my
:: rides, and some estimate it as high as 10,000. I keep a ride dairy,
:: so I know I'm not over estimating my miles. Remember, I weigh 274.

I weigh 235. Yesterday I did 35 miles. My HRM said I burned 2741 kcals.
Fitday.com said I burned 1697 kcals and Cyclistat said I burned 1680 kcals.
Now, you'd think the HRM is more accurate since it know more about what I'm
doing. But that is quite a large variation in what I burned. I wonder if
any of them are right -- and a lot of people will tell you that all of these
are overestimates.

::
:: 3. I have a diabetic condition that is preventing me from losing
:: weight - This worried me. My family does have a history of Type II
:: when they get old and fat, but I have had none of the symptoms. But
:: I did get a HbA1c test.
:: 4.7%. 7% is considered threshold level for some kind of diabetic
:: disorder.

I'm a T2. My resting GB is about 80 to 85 and my HbA1c was 5.1%.. I
control my T2 with diet (low carb) and exercise. If you're not on a LC diet,
I doubt you're a T2.

::
:: So... after 170 posts (for which I'm grateful, don't get me wrong),
:: I'm back to beginning. I guess I'll go see a medical pro. Get all
:: the offiicial tests on the treadmill and all that. Who do I see? A
:: sports physiologist?
::

You can do that if you want...however, why don't you just bump calories down
to about 2200 for a couple of weeks. Keep everything else the same. You'll
lose weight. I don't see why it is so hard for everyone to think that
you're simply eating too much to lose weight.

05-21-2004, 03:47 AM

Doug Cook wrote:
:: I know I asked for some thoughts, but come on, people! 170
:: responses in 48hrs? Maybe I should have asked a less controversial
:: question like the role of religion in politics or something. Or
:: maybe you all should be spending more time on your bikes and less in
:: front of the computer!

::
:: Here are some generalized opinions culled from those replies and my
:: response to them.
::
:: 1. I don't realize how much I'm really eating - Maybe, but I've
:: started keeping track again of everything that enters my mouth (I've
:: done this before). In the last two days (two typical days to the
:: best of my judgment) my caloric intake has not exceeded 2700. I'll
:: keep tracking for a week or two to see if that changes, but I doubt
:: it will. I just can't eat that much. Maybe I'm binging on the
:: weekends.

Do you have a scale and measure and weigh what you eat? I assume you're
making your own meals and not eating out, right?

::
:: 2. I'm not burning as much as I think I am on my rides - Maybe, but
:: my computer is correctly set, and I do wear a HRM. Every calculator
:: I can find tells me I'm burning at least 6400 calories a week on my
:: rides, and some estimate it as high as 10,000. I keep a ride dairy,
:: so I know I'm not over estimating my miles. Remember, I weigh 274.

I weigh 235. Yesterday I did 35 miles. My HRM said I burned 2741 kcals.
Fitday.com said I burned 1697 kcals and Cyclistat said I burned 1680 kcals.
Now, you'd think the HRM is more accurate since it know more about what I'm
doing. But that is quite a large variation in what I burned. I wonder if
any of them are right -- and a lot of people will tell you that all of these
are overestimates.

::
:: 3. I have a diabetic condition that is preventing me from losing
:: weight - This worried me. My family does have a history of Type II
:: when they get old and fat, but I have had none of the symptoms. But
:: I did get a HbA1c test.
:: 4.7%. 7% is considered threshold level for some kind of diabetic
:: disorder.

I'm a T2. My resting GB is about 80 to 85 and my HbA1c was 5.1%.. I
control my T2 with diet (low carb) and exercise. If you're not on a LC diet,
I doubt you're a T2.

::
:: So... after 170 posts (for which I'm grateful, don't get me wrong),
:: I'm back to beginning. I guess I'll go see a medical pro. Get all
:: the offiicial tests on the treadmill and all that. Who do I see? A
:: sports physiologist?
::

You can do that if you want...however, why don't you just bump calories down
to about 2200 for a couple of weeks. Keep everything else the same. You'll
lose weight. I don't see why it is so hard for everyone to think that
you're simply eating too much to lose weight.

05-21-2004, 03:47 AM

Doug Cook wrote:
:: I know I asked for some thoughts, but come on, people! 170
:: responses in 48hrs? Maybe I should have asked a less controversial
:: question like the role of religion in politics or something. Or
:: maybe you all should be spending more time on your bikes and less in
:: front of the computer!

::
:: Here are some generalized opinions culled from those replies and my
:: response to them.
::
:: 1. I don't realize how much I'm really eating - Maybe, but I've
:: started keeping track again of everything that enters my mouth (I've
:: done this before). In the last two days (two typical days to the
:: best of my judgment) my caloric intake has not exceeded 2700. I'll
:: keep tracking for a week or two to see if that changes, but I doubt
:: it will. I just can't eat that much. Maybe I'm binging on the
:: weekends.

Do you have a scale and measure and weigh what you eat? I assume you're
making your own meals and not eating out, right?

::
:: 2. I'm not burning as much as I think I am on my rides - Maybe, but
:: my computer is correctly set, and I do wear a HRM. Every calculator
:: I can find tells me I'm burning at least 6400 calories a week on my
:: rides, and some estimate it as high as 10,000. I keep a ride dairy,
:: so I know I'm not over estimating my miles. Remember, I weigh 274.

I weigh 235. Yesterday I did 35 miles. My HRM said I burned 2741 kcals.
Fitday.com said I burned 1697 kcals and Cyclistat said I burned 1680 kcals.
Now, you'd think the HRM is more accurate since it know more about what I'm
doing. But that is quite a large variation in what I burned. I wonder if
any of them are right -- and a lot of people will tell you that all of these
are overestimates.

::
:: 3. I have a diabetic condition that is preventing me from losing
:: weight - This worried me. My family does have a history of Type II
:: when they get old and fat, but I have had none of the symptoms. But
:: I did get a HbA1c test.
:: 4.7%. 7% is considered threshold level for some kind of diabetic
:: disorder.

I'm a T2. My resting GB is about 80 to 85 and my HbA1c was 5.1%.. I
control my T2 with diet (low carb) and exercise. If you're not on a LC diet,
I doubt you're a T2.

::
:: So... after 170 posts (for which I'm grateful, don't get me wrong),
:: I'm back to beginning. I guess I'll go see a medical pro. Get all
:: the offiicial tests on the treadmill and all that. Who do I see? A
:: sports physiologist?
::

You can do that if you want...however, why don't you just bump calories down
to about 2200 for a couple of weeks. Keep everything else the same. You'll
lose weight. I don't see why it is so hard for everyone to think that
you're simply eating too much to lose weight.

05-21-2004, 03:47 AM

Doug Cook wrote:
:: I know I asked for some thoughts, but come on, people! 170
:: responses in 48hrs? Maybe I should have asked a less controversial
:: question like the role of religion in politics or something. Or
:: maybe you all should be spending more time on your bikes and less in
:: front of the computer!

::
:: Here are some generalized opinions culled from those replies and my
:: response to them.
::
:: 1. I don't realize how much I'm really eating - Maybe, but I've
:: started keeping track again of everything that enters my mouth (I've
:: done this before). In the last two days (two typical days to the
:: best of my judgment) my caloric intake has not exceeded 2700. I'll
:: keep tracking for a week or two to see if that changes, but I doubt
:: it will. I just can't eat that much. Maybe I'm binging on the
:: weekends.

Do you have a scale and measure and weigh what you eat? I assume you're
making your own meals and not eating out, right?

::
:: 2. I'm not burning as much as I think I am on my rides - Maybe, but
:: my computer is correctly set, and I do wear a HRM. Every calculator
:: I can find tells me I'm burning at least 6400 calories a week on my
:: rides, and some estimate it as high as 10,000. I keep a ride dairy,
:: so I know I'm not over estimating my miles. Remember, I weigh 274.

I weigh 235. Yesterday I did 35 miles. My HRM said I burned 2741 kcals.
Fitday.com said I burned 1697 kcals and Cyclistat said I burned 1680 kcals.
Now, you'd think the HRM is more accurate since it know more about what I'm
doing. But that is quite a large variation in what I burned. I wonder if
any of them are right -- and a lot of people will tell you that all of these
are overestimates.

::
:: 3. I have a diabetic condition that is preventing me from losing
:: weight - This worried me. My family does have a history of Type II
:: when they get old and fat, but I have had none of the symptoms. But
:: I did get a HbA1c test.
:: 4.7%. 7% is considered threshold level for some kind of diabetic
:: disorder.

I'm a T2. My resting GB is about 80 to 85 and my HbA1c was 5.1%.. I
control my T2 with diet (low carb) and exercise. If you're not on a LC diet,
I doubt you're a T2.

::
:: So... after 170 posts (for which I'm grateful, don't get me wrong),
:: I'm back to beginning. I guess I'll go see a medical pro. Get all
:: the offiicial tests on the treadmill and all that. Who do I see? A
:: sports physiologist?
::

You can do that if you want...however, why don't you just bump calories down
to about 2200 for a couple of weeks. Keep everything else the same. You'll
lose weight. I don't see why it is so hard for everyone to think that
you're simply eating too much to lose weight.