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06-07-2004, 04:48 AM
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| Re: What did I do wrong? re: nutrition? On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:11:34 -0700, "GaryG" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote: >How far did you ride, and how much climbing did you do? Only 35 miles - I'm still a biking wimp. ;-< >While your pre-ride bacon experiment-of-one might work for you, I doubt it >would work for most folks. I could not imagine doing a multi-hour ride on >only a piece of bacon (roughly 100 calories). I've seen, and experienced, >the bonk too many times, and that "breakfast" is a recipe for bonking for >most folks that I know. Anything over my longest ride and I'll let a piece of hard candy dissolve, or munch a few M&Ms. But I'm still pushing it, both pace and distance. >Most of the research I've read on nutrition for endurance athletes >emphasizes the importance of consuming carbs before and during the ride, >with carbs and protein post-ride. Perhaps it's different for you, but I >doubt we'll be seeing any TdF pros queueing up for bacon before this year's >Alpe d'Huez stage. Haha. Good one. But as some have said, more and more endurance athletes are trying the LC diet and doing OK, along with supplementation during the 'window'. For the really long events, like adventure racing, they're pretty much all gone to liquid fuel during the event. Note the posting from one biker who mentions that without the excessive carbs he's no longer getting that sleepy feeling mid-day, etc. It's a fun experiment, and who knows how far it can be taken? But to be fair, I always take some glucose snacks along just in case. -B |
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06-07-2004, 05:24 AM
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| Re: What did I do wrong? re: nutrition? GaryG wrote: :: "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message :: news:VaRwc.12451$9g6.7948@nwrdny03.gnilink.net... ::: ::: "Badger_South" <Badger@South.net> wrote in message ::: news:ial7c09lp533pgai63bqi1a3qdq2l36p7q@4ax.com... :::: On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:35:53 -0700, "GaryG" :::: <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote: :::: ::::: "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message ::::: news  nNwc.8709$321.257@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...:::::: I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The :::::: weather was great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a :::::: low carb diet pretty strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, :::::: which was the night before the ride. I ate sushi that night and :::::: a salad. The next morning I ate a banana and piece of chicken :::::: sausage and a cookie when I got to the ride start. I set out and :::::: pretty much pushed from the start. I felt really pretty good on :::::: the ride. Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas :::::: and :: 1/2 ::: of ::::: a :::::: peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ate 1/2 of a :::::: sandwich and another cookie and some more water. I was only :::::: drinking water on this ride. I felt okay coming home but began :::::: to get a bit dizzy. I stood up and felt really dizzy for a bit :::::: and had to put my head lower for few. I ate some rice, pasta, :::::: fish and some blueberry yogurt and laid down for an hour or so :::::: and now feel much better. :::::: :::::: Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get :::::: dizzy? :::::: :::::: Thanks, :::::: Curt :::::: ::::: ::::: It sounds like a typical low-carb bonk. This is one reason why ::::: many folks think that low-carb is inappropriate for the ::::: athletically inclined. ::::: ::::: On your ride, you probably burned around 2600 calories (assuming ::::: 35 calories per mile). But, you only consumed about 500 calories ::::: during the ride, and your breakfast was probably only around 400 ::::: calories. And, you had been "low-carbing" for days prior to the ::::: ride. Finally, you rode "hard"...when you do that, your body ::::: needs carbs...but, you've not been consuming sufficient carbs for ::::: days. ::::: ::::: I've heard it said that on rides lasting longer than an hour or ::::: two, you should try to consume around 250 calories per hour. ::::: This won't replace all the calories you're burning (unless you're ::::: going very, very slow), but will help prevent the bonk. ::::: ::::: Eating carbs and protein post-ride was a good idea...but, your ::::: eating habits before and during the ride are a classic case of, ::::: "Doh!" ::::: ::::: GG ::::: :::: :::: Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on :::: Saturday on a a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two :::: hamburgers and some lettuce the day before. :::: :::: No bonk. Rode hard. Got back and drank a diet soda and had some :::: coffee with splenda, then took a nap. :::: :::: Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm. :::: :::: -Badger :::: "World's most dangerous City Bike Path Rider" ::: ::: Thanks for the replies. I to ride up to 40 miles or so and can eat ::: whatever. I rode 50 on two eggs and some bacon and a banana, but ::: it was at a slower pace. For some reason this 75 really took it ::: out of me. ::: ::: I think I will have to eat more food on this type of ride. I had ::: enough in me to finish strong, but after I soon went down hill. ::: ::: Thanks, ::: Curt ::: :: :: I think how hard you ride has a lot to do with it. If you're riding :: at a pretty easy pace, your body is able to keep up with your energy :: needs by converting stored fats. But, at higher intensities and :: longer efforts, your body burns mostly stored glycogens (carbs), and :: has a hard time keeping up with demand unless you take some more :: carbs on board during the ride. I think that definitely is a factor. I note that on my rides I going upto and above 90% of my 220-age heart rate max several times on a 35-mile ride through the hills of upstate SC. Afterwards I have major BG drops. |
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06-07-2004, 05:24 AM
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| Re: What did I do wrong? re: nutrition? GaryG wrote: :: "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message :: news:VaRwc.12451$9g6.7948@nwrdny03.gnilink.net... ::: ::: "Badger_South" <Badger@South.net> wrote in message ::: news:ial7c09lp533pgai63bqi1a3qdq2l36p7q@4ax.com... :::: On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:35:53 -0700, "GaryG" :::: <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote: :::: ::::: "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message ::::: news nNwc.8709$321.257@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...:::::: I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The :::::: weather was great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a :::::: low carb diet pretty strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, :::::: which was the night before the ride. I ate sushi that night and :::::: a salad. The next morning I ate a banana and piece of chicken :::::: sausage and a cookie when I got to the ride start. I set out and :::::: pretty much pushed from the start. I felt really pretty good on :::::: the ride. Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas :::::: and :: 1/2 ::: of ::::: a :::::: peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ate 1/2 of a :::::: sandwich and another cookie and some more water. I was only :::::: drinking water on this ride. I felt okay coming home but began :::::: to get a bit dizzy. I stood up and felt really dizzy for a bit :::::: and had to put my head lower for few. I ate some rice, pasta, :::::: fish and some blueberry yogurt and laid down for an hour or so :::::: and now feel much better. :::::: :::::: Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get :::::: dizzy? :::::: :::::: Thanks, :::::: Curt :::::: ::::: ::::: It sounds like a typical low-carb bonk. This is one reason why ::::: many folks think that low-carb is inappropriate for the ::::: athletically inclined. ::::: ::::: On your ride, you probably burned around 2600 calories (assuming ::::: 35 calories per mile). But, you only consumed about 500 calories ::::: during the ride, and your breakfast was probably only around 400 ::::: calories. And, you had been "low-carbing" for days prior to the ::::: ride. Finally, you rode "hard"...when you do that, your body ::::: needs carbs...but, you've not been consuming sufficient carbs for ::::: days. ::::: ::::: I've heard it said that on rides lasting longer than an hour or ::::: two, you should try to consume around 250 calories per hour. ::::: This won't replace all the calories you're burning (unless you're ::::: going very, very slow), but will help prevent the bonk. ::::: ::::: Eating carbs and protein post-ride was a good idea...but, your ::::: eating habits before and during the ride are a classic case of, ::::: "Doh!" ::::: ::::: GG ::::: :::: :::: Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on :::: Saturday on a a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two :::: hamburgers and some lettuce the day before. :::: :::: No bonk. Rode hard. Got back and drank a diet soda and had some :::: coffee with splenda, then took a nap. :::: :::: Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm. :::: :::: -Badger :::: "World's most dangerous City Bike Path Rider" ::: ::: Thanks for the replies. I to ride up to 40 miles or so and can eat ::: whatever. I rode 50 on two eggs and some bacon and a banana, but ::: it was at a slower pace. For some reason this 75 really took it ::: out of me. ::: ::: I think I will have to eat more food on this type of ride. I had ::: enough in me to finish strong, but after I soon went down hill. ::: ::: Thanks, ::: Curt ::: :: :: I think how hard you ride has a lot to do with it. If you're riding :: at a pretty easy pace, your body is able to keep up with your energy :: needs by converting stored fats. But, at higher intensities and :: longer efforts, your body burns mostly stored glycogens (carbs), and :: has a hard time keeping up with demand unless you take some more :: carbs on board during the ride. I think that definitely is a factor. I note that on my rides I going upto and above 90% of my 220-age heart rate max several times on a 35-mile ride through the hills of upstate SC. Afterwards I have major BG drops. |
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06-07-2004, 05:24 AM
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| Re: What did I do wrong? re: nutrition? GaryG wrote: :: "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message :: news:VaRwc.12451$9g6.7948@nwrdny03.gnilink.net... ::: ::: "Badger_South" <Badger@South.net> wrote in message ::: news:ial7c09lp533pgai63bqi1a3qdq2l36p7q@4ax.com... :::: On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:35:53 -0700, "GaryG" :::: <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote: :::: ::::: "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message ::::: news nNwc.8709$321.257@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...:::::: I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The :::::: weather was great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a :::::: low carb diet pretty strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, :::::: which was the night before the ride. I ate sushi that night and :::::: a salad. The next morning I ate a banana and piece of chicken :::::: sausage and a cookie when I got to the ride start. I set out and :::::: pretty much pushed from the start. I felt really pretty good on :::::: the ride. Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas :::::: and :: 1/2 ::: of ::::: a :::::: peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ate 1/2 of a :::::: sandwich and another cookie and some more water. I was only :::::: drinking water on this ride. I felt okay coming home but began :::::: to get a bit dizzy. I stood up and felt really dizzy for a bit :::::: and had to put my head lower for few. I ate some rice, pasta, :::::: fish and some blueberry yogurt and laid down for an hour or so :::::: and now feel much better. :::::: :::::: Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get :::::: dizzy? :::::: :::::: Thanks, :::::: Curt :::::: ::::: ::::: It sounds like a typical low-carb bonk. This is one reason why ::::: many folks think that low-carb is inappropriate for the ::::: athletically inclined. ::::: ::::: On your ride, you probably burned around 2600 calories (assuming ::::: 35 calories per mile). But, you only consumed about 500 calories ::::: during the ride, and your breakfast was probably only around 400 ::::: calories. And, you had been "low-carbing" for days prior to the ::::: ride. Finally, you rode "hard"...when you do that, your body ::::: needs carbs...but, you've not been consuming sufficient carbs for ::::: days. ::::: ::::: I've heard it said that on rides lasting longer than an hour or ::::: two, you should try to consume around 250 calories per hour. ::::: This won't replace all the calories you're burning (unless you're ::::: going very, very slow), but will help prevent the bonk. ::::: ::::: Eating carbs and protein post-ride was a good idea...but, your ::::: eating habits before and during the ride are a classic case of, ::::: "Doh!" ::::: ::::: GG ::::: :::: :::: Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on :::: Saturday on a a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two :::: hamburgers and some lettuce the day before. :::: :::: No bonk. Rode hard. Got back and drank a diet soda and had some :::: coffee with splenda, then took a nap. :::: :::: Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm. :::: :::: -Badger :::: "World's most dangerous City Bike Path Rider" ::: ::: Thanks for the replies. I to ride up to 40 miles or so and can eat ::: whatever. I rode 50 on two eggs and some bacon and a banana, but ::: it was at a slower pace. For some reason this 75 really took it ::: out of me. ::: ::: I think I will have to eat more food on this type of ride. I had ::: enough in me to finish strong, but after I soon went down hill. ::: ::: Thanks, ::: Curt ::: :: :: I think how hard you ride has a lot to do with it. If you're riding :: at a pretty easy pace, your body is able to keep up with your energy :: needs by converting stored fats. But, at higher intensities and :: longer efforts, your body burns mostly stored glycogens (carbs), and :: has a hard time keeping up with demand unless you take some more :: carbs on board during the ride. I think that definitely is a factor. I note that on my rides I going upto and above 90% of my 220-age heart rate max several times on a 35-mile ride through the hills of upstate SC. Afterwards I have major BG drops. |
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06-07-2004, 05:24 AM
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| Re: What did I do wrong? re: nutrition? GaryG wrote: :: "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message :: news:VaRwc.12451$9g6.7948@nwrdny03.gnilink.net... ::: ::: "Badger_South" <Badger@South.net> wrote in message ::: news:ial7c09lp533pgai63bqi1a3qdq2l36p7q@4ax.com... :::: On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:35:53 -0700, "GaryG" :::: <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote: :::: ::::: "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message ::::: news nNwc.8709$321.257@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...:::::: I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The :::::: weather was great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a :::::: low carb diet pretty strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, :::::: which was the night before the ride. I ate sushi that night and :::::: a salad. The next morning I ate a banana and piece of chicken :::::: sausage and a cookie when I got to the ride start. I set out and :::::: pretty much pushed from the start. I felt really pretty good on :::::: the ride. Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas :::::: and :: 1/2 ::: of ::::: a :::::: peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ate 1/2 of a :::::: sandwich and another cookie and some more water. I was only :::::: drinking water on this ride. I felt okay coming home but began :::::: to get a bit dizzy. I stood up and felt really dizzy for a bit :::::: and had to put my head lower for few. I ate some rice, pasta, :::::: fish and some blueberry yogurt and laid down for an hour or so :::::: and now feel much better. :::::: :::::: Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get :::::: dizzy? :::::: :::::: Thanks, :::::: Curt :::::: ::::: ::::: It sounds like a typical low-carb bonk. This is one reason why ::::: many folks think that low-carb is inappropriate for the ::::: athletically inclined. ::::: ::::: On your ride, you probably burned around 2600 calories (assuming ::::: 35 calories per mile). But, you only consumed about 500 calories ::::: during the ride, and your breakfast was probably only around 400 ::::: calories. And, you had been "low-carbing" for days prior to the ::::: ride. Finally, you rode "hard"...when you do that, your body ::::: needs carbs...but, you've not been consuming sufficient carbs for ::::: days. ::::: ::::: I've heard it said that on rides lasting longer than an hour or ::::: two, you should try to consume around 250 calories per hour. ::::: This won't replace all the calories you're burning (unless you're ::::: going very, very slow), but will help prevent the bonk. ::::: ::::: Eating carbs and protein post-ride was a good idea...but, your ::::: eating habits before and during the ride are a classic case of, ::::: "Doh!" ::::: ::::: GG ::::: :::: :::: Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on :::: Saturday on a a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two :::: hamburgers and some lettuce the day before. :::: :::: No bonk. Rode hard. Got back and drank a diet soda and had some :::: coffee with splenda, then took a nap. :::: :::: Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm. :::: :::: -Badger :::: "World's most dangerous City Bike Path Rider" ::: ::: Thanks for the replies. I to ride up to 40 miles or so and can eat ::: whatever. I rode 50 on two eggs and some bacon and a banana, but ::: it was at a slower pace. For some reason this 75 really took it ::: out of me. ::: ::: I think I will have to eat more food on this type of ride. I had ::: enough in me to finish strong, but after I soon went down hill. ::: ::: Thanks, ::: Curt ::: :: :: I think how hard you ride has a lot to do with it. If you're riding :: at a pretty easy pace, your body is able to keep up with your energy :: needs by converting stored fats. But, at higher intensities and :: longer efforts, your body burns mostly stored glycogens (carbs), and :: has a hard time keeping up with demand unless you take some more :: carbs on board during the ride. I think that definitely is a factor. I note that on my rides I going upto and above 90% of my 220-age heart rate max several times on a 35-mile ride through the hills of upstate SC. Afterwards I have major BG drops. |
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06-07-2004, 05:24 AM
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| Re: What did I do wrong? re: nutrition? GaryG wrote: :: "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message :: news:VaRwc.12451$9g6.7948@nwrdny03.gnilink.net... ::: ::: "Badger_South" <Badger@South.net> wrote in message ::: news:ial7c09lp533pgai63bqi1a3qdq2l36p7q@4ax.com... :::: On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:35:53 -0700, "GaryG" :::: <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote: :::: ::::: "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message ::::: news nNwc.8709$321.257@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...:::::: I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The :::::: weather was great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a :::::: low carb diet pretty strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, :::::: which was the night before the ride. I ate sushi that night and :::::: a salad. The next morning I ate a banana and piece of chicken :::::: sausage and a cookie when I got to the ride start. I set out and :::::: pretty much pushed from the start. I felt really pretty good on :::::: the ride. Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas :::::: and :: 1/2 ::: of ::::: a :::::: peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ate 1/2 of a :::::: sandwich and another cookie and some more water. I was only :::::: drinking water on this ride. I felt okay coming home but began :::::: to get a bit dizzy. I stood up and felt really dizzy for a bit :::::: and had to put my head lower for few. I ate some rice, pasta, :::::: fish and some blueberry yogurt and laid down for an hour or so :::::: and now feel much better. :::::: :::::: Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get :::::: dizzy? :::::: :::::: Thanks, :::::: Curt :::::: ::::: ::::: It sounds like a typical low-carb bonk. This is one reason why ::::: many folks think that low-carb is inappropriate for the ::::: athletically inclined. ::::: ::::: On your ride, you probably burned around 2600 calories (assuming ::::: 35 calories per mile). But, you only consumed about 500 calories ::::: during the ride, and your breakfast was probably only around 400 ::::: calories. And, you had been "low-carbing" for days prior to the ::::: ride. Finally, you rode "hard"...when you do that, your body ::::: needs carbs...but, you've not been consuming sufficient carbs for ::::: days. ::::: ::::: I've heard it said that on rides lasting longer than an hour or ::::: two, you should try to consume around 250 calories per hour. ::::: This won't replace all the calories you're burning (unless you're ::::: going very, very slow), but will help prevent the bonk. ::::: ::::: Eating carbs and protein post-ride was a good idea...but, your ::::: eating habits before and during the ride are a classic case of, ::::: "Doh!" ::::: ::::: GG ::::: :::: :::: Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on :::: Saturday on a a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two :::: hamburgers and some lettuce the day before. :::: :::: No bonk. Rode hard. Got back and drank a diet soda and had some :::: coffee with splenda, then took a nap. :::: :::: Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm. :::: :::: -Badger :::: "World's most dangerous City Bike Path Rider" ::: ::: Thanks for the replies. I to ride up to 40 miles or so and can eat ::: whatever. I rode 50 on two eggs and some bacon and a banana, but ::: it was at a slower pace. For some reason this 75 really took it ::: out of me. ::: ::: I think I will have to eat more food on this type of ride. I had ::: enough in me to finish strong, but after I soon went down hill. ::: ::: Thanks, ::: Curt ::: :: :: I think how hard you ride has a lot to do with it. If you're riding :: at a pretty easy pace, your body is able to keep up with your energy :: needs by converting stored fats. But, at higher intensities and :: longer efforts, your body burns mostly stored glycogens (carbs), and :: has a hard time keeping up with demand unless you take some more :: carbs on board during the ride. I think that definitely is a factor. I note that on my rides I going upto and above 90% of my 220-age heart rate max several times on a 35-mile ride through the hills of upstate SC. Afterwards I have major BG drops. |
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06-07-2004, 05:28 AM
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| Re: What did I do wrong? re: nutrition? GaryG wrote: :: "Badger_South" <Badger@South.net> wrote in message :: news:ial7c09lp533pgai63bqi1a3qdq2l36p7q@4ax.com... ::: On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:35:53 -0700, "GaryG" ::: <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote: ::: :::: "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message :::: news nNwc.8709$321.257@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...::::: I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The ::::: weather was great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a ::::: low carb diet pretty strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, ::::: which was the night before the ride. I ate sushi that night and ::::: a salad. The next morning I ate a banana and piece of chicken ::::: sausage and a cookie when I got to the ride start. I set out and ::::: pretty much pushed from the start. I felt really pretty good on ::::: the ride. Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas ::::: and 1/2 of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ::::: ate 1/2 of a sandwich and another cookie and some more water. I ::::: was only drinking water on this ride. I felt okay coming home ::::: but began to get a bit dizzy. I stood up and felt really dizzy ::::: for a bit and had to put my head lower for few. I ate some rice, ::::: pasta, fish and some blueberry yogurt and laid down for an hour ::::: or so and now feel much better. ::::: ::::: Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get ::::: dizzy? ::::: ::::: Thanks, ::::: Curt ::::: :::: :::: It sounds like a typical low-carb bonk. This is one reason why :::: many folks think that low-carb is inappropriate for the :::: athletically inclined. :::: :::: On your ride, you probably burned around 2600 calories (assuming :::: 35 calories per mile). But, you only consumed about 500 calories :::: during the ride, and your breakfast was probably only around 400 :::: calories. And, you had been "low-carbing" for days prior to the :::: ride. Finally, you rode "hard"...when you do that, your body :::: needs carbs...but, you've not been consuming sufficient carbs for :::: days. :::: :::: I've heard it said that on rides lasting longer than an hour or :::: two, you should try to consume around 250 calories per hour. This :::: won't replace all the calories you're burning (unless you're going :::: very, very slow), but will help prevent the bonk. :::: :::: Eating carbs and protein post-ride was a good idea...but, your :::: eating habits before and during the ride are a classic case of, :::: "Doh!" :::: :::: GG :::: ::: ::: Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on ::: Saturday on a a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two hamburgers ::: and some lettuce the day before. ::: ::: No bonk. Rode hard. Got back and drank a diet soda and had some ::: coffee with splenda, then took a nap. ::: ::: Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm. :: :: How far did you ride, and how much climbing did you do? :: :: While your pre-ride bacon experiment-of-one might work for you, I :: doubt it would work for most folks. I could not imagine doing a :: multi-hour ride on only a piece of bacon (roughly 100 calories). :: I've seen, and experienced, the bonk too many times, and that :: "breakfast" is a recipe for bonking for most folks that I know. I think the factors are very rider specific. I'm heavy, and I know that I'l lhave major issues because on my routes I'm doing a lot of uphill climbing and I try to push my way up as fast as I can. This results in my HR going up quite high, usually over and over. I think Curt just found his limit, even though he only weighs 180 lbs. :: :: Most of the research I've read on nutrition for endurance athletes :: emphasizes the importance of consuming carbs before and during the :: ride, with carbs and protein post-ride. Perhaps it's different for :: you, but I doubt we'll be seeing any TdF pros queueing up for bacon :: before this year's Alpe d'Huez stage. I agree. But I would not encourage any LCer to take extra carbs until they learn where and what kind of riding causes them to hit the wall. |
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| Re: What did I do wrong? re: nutrition? GaryG wrote: :: "Badger_South" <Badger@South.net> wrote in message :: news:ial7c09lp533pgai63bqi1a3qdq2l36p7q@4ax.com... ::: On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:35:53 -0700, "GaryG" ::: <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote: ::: :::: "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message :::: news nNwc.8709$321.257@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...::::: I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The ::::: weather was great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a ::::: low carb diet pretty strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, ::::: which was the night before the ride. I ate sushi that night and ::::: a salad. The next morning I ate a banana and piece of chicken ::::: sausage and a cookie when I got to the ride start. I set out and ::::: pretty much pushed from the start. I felt really pretty good on ::::: the ride. Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas ::::: and 1/2 of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ::::: ate 1/2 of a sandwich and another cookie and some more water. I ::::: was only drinking water on this ride. I felt okay coming home ::::: but began to get a bit dizzy. I stood up and felt really dizzy ::::: for a bit and had to put my head lower for few. I ate some rice, ::::: pasta, fish and some blueberry yogurt and laid down for an hour ::::: or so and now feel much better. ::::: ::::: Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get ::::: dizzy? ::::: ::::: Thanks, ::::: Curt ::::: :::: :::: It sounds like a typical low-carb bonk. This is one reason why :::: many folks think that low-carb is inappropriate for the :::: athletically inclined. :::: :::: On your ride, you probably burned around 2600 calories (assuming :::: 35 calories per mile). But, you only consumed about 500 calories :::: during the ride, and your breakfast was probably only around 400 :::: calories. And, you had been "low-carbing" for days prior to the :::: ride. Finally, you rode "hard"...when you do that, your body :::: needs carbs...but, you've not been consuming sufficient carbs for :::: days. :::: :::: I've heard it said that on rides lasting longer than an hour or :::: two, you should try to consume around 250 calories per hour. This :::: won't replace all the calories you're burning (unless you're going :::: very, very slow), but will help prevent the bonk. :::: :::: Eating carbs and protein post-ride was a good idea...but, your :::: eating habits before and during the ride are a classic case of, :::: "Doh!" :::: :::: GG :::: ::: ::: Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on ::: Saturday on a a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two hamburgers ::: and some lettuce the day before. ::: ::: No bonk. Rode hard. Got back and drank a diet soda and had some ::: coffee with splenda, then took a nap. ::: ::: Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm. :: :: How far did you ride, and how much climbing did you do? :: :: While your pre-ride bacon experiment-of-one might work for you, I :: doubt it would work for most folks. I could not imagine doing a :: multi-hour ride on only a piece of bacon (roughly 100 calories). :: I've seen, and experienced, the bonk too many times, and that :: "breakfast" is a recipe for bonking for most folks that I know. I think the factors are very rider specific. I'm heavy, and I know that I'l lhave major issues because on my routes I'm doing a lot of uphill climbing and I try to push my way up as fast as I can. This results in my HR going up quite high, usually over and over. I think Curt just found his limit, even though he only weighs 180 lbs. :: :: Most of the research I've read on nutrition for endurance athletes :: emphasizes the importance of consuming carbs before and during the :: ride, with carbs and protein post-ride. Perhaps it's different for :: you, but I doubt we'll be seeing any TdF pros queueing up for bacon :: before this year's Alpe d'Huez stage. I agree. But I would not encourage any LCer to take extra carbs until they learn where and what kind of riding causes them to hit the wall. |
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| Re: What did I do wrong? re: nutrition? GaryG wrote: :: "Badger_South" <Badger@South.net> wrote in message :: news:ial7c09lp533pgai63bqi1a3qdq2l36p7q@4ax.com... ::: On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:35:53 -0700, "GaryG" ::: <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote: ::: :::: "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message :::: news nNwc.8709$321.257@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...::::: I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The ::::: weather was great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a ::::: low carb diet pretty strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, ::::: which was the night before the ride. I ate sushi that night and ::::: a salad. The next morning I ate a banana and piece of chicken ::::: sausage and a cookie when I got to the ride start. I set out and ::::: pretty much pushed from the start. I felt really pretty good on ::::: the ride. Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas ::::: and 1/2 of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ::::: ate 1/2 of a sandwich and another cookie and some more water. I ::::: was only drinking water on this ride. I felt okay coming home ::::: but began to get a bit dizzy. I stood up and felt really dizzy ::::: for a bit and had to put my head lower for few. I ate some rice, ::::: pasta, fish and some blueberry yogurt and laid down for an hour ::::: or so and now feel much better. ::::: ::::: Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get ::::: dizzy? ::::: ::::: Thanks, ::::: Curt ::::: :::: :::: It sounds like a typical low-carb bonk. This is one reason why :::: many folks think that low-carb is inappropriate for the :::: athletically inclined. :::: :::: On your ride, you probably burned around 2600 calories (assuming :::: 35 calories per mile). But, you only consumed about 500 calories :::: during the ride, and your breakfast was probably only around 400 :::: calories. And, you had been "low-carbing" for days prior to the :::: ride. Finally, you rode "hard"...when you do that, your body :::: needs carbs...but, you've not been consuming sufficient carbs for :::: days. :::: :::: I've heard it said that on rides lasting longer than an hour or :::: two, you should try to consume around 250 calories per hour. This :::: won't replace all the calories you're burning (unless you're going :::: very, very slow), but will help prevent the bonk. :::: :::: Eating carbs and protein post-ride was a good idea...but, your :::: eating habits before and during the ride are a classic case of, :::: "Doh!" :::: :::: GG :::: ::: ::: Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on ::: Saturday on a a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two hamburgers ::: and some lettuce the day before. ::: ::: No bonk. Rode hard. Got back and drank a diet soda and had some ::: coffee with splenda, then took a nap. ::: ::: Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm. :: :: How far did you ride, and how much climbing did you do? :: :: While your pre-ride bacon experiment-of-one might work for you, I :: doubt it would work for most folks. I could not imagine doing a :: multi-hour ride on only a piece of bacon (roughly 100 calories). :: I've seen, and experienced, the bonk too many times, and that :: "breakfast" is a recipe for bonking for most folks that I know. I think the factors are very rider specific. I'm heavy, and I know that I'l lhave major issues because on my routes I'm doing a lot of uphill climbing and I try to push my way up as fast as I can. This results in my HR going up quite high, usually over and over. I think Curt just found his limit, even though he only weighs 180 lbs. :: :: Most of the research I've read on nutrition for endurance athletes :: emphasizes the importance of consuming carbs before and during the :: ride, with carbs and protein post-ride. Perhaps it's different for :: you, but I doubt we'll be seeing any TdF pros queueing up for bacon :: before this year's Alpe d'Huez stage. I agree. But I would not encourage any LCer to take extra carbs until they learn where and what kind of riding causes them to hit the wall. |
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