What did I do wrong? re: nutrition? - Page 7 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

06-07-2004, 05:39 AM

"Badger_South" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:11:34 -0700, "GaryG"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> >How far did you ride, and how much climbing did you do?
>
> Only 35 miles - I'm still a biking wimp. ;-<
>
> >While your pre-ride bacon experiment-of-one might work for you, I doubt
it
> >would work for most folks. I could not imagine doing a multi-hour ride
on
> >only a piece of bacon (roughly 100 calories). I've seen, and
experienced,
> >the bonk too many times, and that "breakfast" is a recipe for bonking for
> >most folks that I know.
>
> Anything over my longest ride and I'll let a piece of hard candy dissolve,
> or munch a few M&Ms. But I'm still pushing it, both pace and distance.
>
> >Most of the research I've read on nutrition for endurance athletes
> >emphasizes the importance of consuming carbs before and during the ride,
> >with carbs and protein post-ride. Perhaps it's different for you, but I
> >doubt we'll be seeing any TdF pros queueing up for bacon before this
year's
> >Alpe d'Huez stage.
>
> Haha. Good one. But as some have said, more and more endurance athletes
are
> trying the LC diet and doing OK, along with supplementation during the
> 'window'. For the really long events, like adventure racing, they're
pretty
> much all gone to liquid fuel during the event. Note the posting from one
> biker who mentions that without the excessive carbs he's no longer getting
> that sleepy feeling mid-day, etc.

Ditto on the sleepy mid-day feelings. Years ago I tried a very low-fat
diet, and found that I would get very sleepy around 3 pm. I don't do
low-carb, but nowadays I always try to get some good protein with lunch. It
seems to help avoid the blood sugar crash in the afternoon and I don't get
sleepy. It's still a "slow" time for me compared to the morning, however,
so perhaps it's just part of my natural pattern.

GG

>
> It's a fun experiment, and who knows how far it can be taken? But to be
> fair, I always take some glucose snacks along just in case.
>
> -B
>
>

06-07-2004, 06:12 AM

Curt --

I suggest that when you do your 150 mile ride, that you ride at your usual
training intensity as much as possible and not try to "push it" do any new
intensity levels. Basically, ride like you train and don't try anything
know. Do a "carbup" the day before (low fat / high carb but NOT excessive
calories) and consume small amounts of carbs (30 to 40 g) even hour or so
during the ride. Then do the carb / protein thing afterwards, at about a 4
to 1 ratio (carb : protein). As long as you don't overeat in terms of
calories, you can low weight while maintaining the LC program. Or you can
leave the weight loss for the other days and just maintain on that weekend.

Whatever you decide to do, I'll be looking for a full report! Good luck!

curt wrote:
:: I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The
:: weather was great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a low
:: carb diet pretty strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, which was
:: the night before the ride. I ate sushi that night and a salad. The
:: next morning I ate a banana and piece of chicken sausage and a
:: cookie when I got to the ride start. I set out and pretty much
:: pushed from the start. I felt really pretty good on the ride.
:: Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas and 1/2 of a
:: peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ate 1/2 of a
:: sandwich and another cookie and some more water. I was only
:: drinking water on this ride. I felt okay coming home but began to
:: get a bit dizzy. I stood up and felt really dizzy for a bit and had
:: to put my head lower for few. I ate some rice, pasta, fish and some
:: blueberry yogurt and laid down for an hour or so and now feel much
:: better.
::
:: Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get
:: dizzy?
::
:: Thanks,
:: Curt

06-07-2004, 06:12 AM

Curt --

I suggest that when you do your 150 mile ride, that you ride at your usual
training intensity as much as possible and not try to "push it" do any new
intensity levels. Basically, ride like you train and don't try anything
know. Do a "carbup" the day before (low fat / high carb but NOT excessive
calories) and consume small amounts of carbs (30 to 40 g) even hour or so
during the ride. Then do the carb / protein thing afterwards, at about a 4
to 1 ratio (carb : protein). As long as you don't overeat in terms of
calories, you can low weight while maintaining the LC program. Or you can
leave the weight loss for the other days and just maintain on that weekend.

Whatever you decide to do, I'll be looking for a full report! Good luck!

curt wrote:
:: I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The
:: weather was great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a low
:: carb diet pretty strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, which was
:: the night before the ride. I ate sushi that night and a salad. The
:: next morning I ate a banana and piece of chicken sausage and a
:: cookie when I got to the ride start. I set out and pretty much
:: pushed from the start. I felt really pretty good on the ride.
:: Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas and 1/2 of a
:: peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ate 1/2 of a
:: sandwich and another cookie and some more water. I was only
:: drinking water on this ride. I felt okay coming home but began to
:: get a bit dizzy. I stood up and felt really dizzy for a bit and had
:: to put my head lower for few. I ate some rice, pasta, fish and some
:: blueberry yogurt and laid down for an hour or so and now feel much
:: better.
::
:: Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get
:: dizzy?
::
:: Thanks,
:: Curt

06-07-2004, 06:12 AM

Curt --

I suggest that when you do your 150 mile ride, that you ride at your usual
training intensity as much as possible and not try to "push it" do any new
intensity levels. Basically, ride like you train and don't try anything
know. Do a "carbup" the day before (low fat / high carb but NOT excessive
calories) and consume small amounts of carbs (30 to 40 g) even hour or so
during the ride. Then do the carb / protein thing afterwards, at about a 4
to 1 ratio (carb : protein). As long as you don't overeat in terms of
calories, you can low weight while maintaining the LC program. Or you can
leave the weight loss for the other days and just maintain on that weekend.

Whatever you decide to do, I'll be looking for a full report! Good luck!

curt wrote:
:: I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The
:: weather was great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a low
:: carb diet pretty strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, which was
:: the night before the ride. I ate sushi that night and a salad. The
:: next morning I ate a banana and piece of chicken sausage and a
:: cookie when I got to the ride start. I set out and pretty much
:: pushed from the start. I felt really pretty good on the ride.
:: Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas and 1/2 of a
:: peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ate 1/2 of a
:: sandwich and another cookie and some more water. I was only
:: drinking water on this ride. I felt okay coming home but began to
:: get a bit dizzy. I stood up and felt really dizzy for a bit and had
:: to put my head lower for few. I ate some rice, pasta, fish and some
:: blueberry yogurt and laid down for an hour or so and now feel much
:: better.
::
:: Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get
:: dizzy?
::
:: Thanks,
:: Curt

06-07-2004, 06:12 AM

Curt --

I suggest that when you do your 150 mile ride, that you ride at your usual
training intensity as much as possible and not try to "push it" do any new
intensity levels. Basically, ride like you train and don't try anything
know. Do a "carbup" the day before (low fat / high carb but NOT excessive
calories) and consume small amounts of carbs (30 to 40 g) even hour or so
during the ride. Then do the carb / protein thing afterwards, at about a 4
to 1 ratio (carb : protein). As long as you don't overeat in terms of
calories, you can low weight while maintaining the LC program. Or you can
leave the weight loss for the other days and just maintain on that weekend.

Whatever you decide to do, I'll be looking for a full report! Good luck!

curt wrote:
:: I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The
:: weather was great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a low
:: carb diet pretty strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, which was
:: the night before the ride. I ate sushi that night and a salad. The
:: next morning I ate a banana and piece of chicken sausage and a
:: cookie when I got to the ride start. I set out and pretty much
:: pushed from the start. I felt really pretty good on the ride.
:: Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas and 1/2 of a
:: peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ate 1/2 of a
:: sandwich and another cookie and some more water. I was only
:: drinking water on this ride. I felt okay coming home but began to
:: get a bit dizzy. I stood up and felt really dizzy for a bit and had
:: to put my head lower for few. I ate some rice, pasta, fish and some
:: blueberry yogurt and laid down for an hour or so and now feel much
:: better.
::
:: Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get
:: dizzy?
::
:: Thanks,
:: Curt

06-07-2004, 06:12 AM

Curt --

I suggest that when you do your 150 mile ride, that you ride at your usual
training intensity as much as possible and not try to "push it" do any new
intensity levels. Basically, ride like you train and don't try anything
know. Do a "carbup" the day before (low fat / high carb but NOT excessive
calories) and consume small amounts of carbs (30 to 40 g) even hour or so
during the ride. Then do the carb / protein thing afterwards, at about a 4
to 1 ratio (carb : protein). As long as you don't overeat in terms of
calories, you can low weight while maintaining the LC program. Or you can
leave the weight loss for the other days and just maintain on that weekend.

Whatever you decide to do, I'll be looking for a full report! Good luck!

curt wrote:
:: I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The
:: weather was great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a low
:: carb diet pretty strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, which was
:: the night before the ride. I ate sushi that night and a salad. The
:: next morning I ate a banana and piece of chicken sausage and a
:: cookie when I got to the ride start. I set out and pretty much
:: pushed from the start. I felt really pretty good on the ride.
:: Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas and 1/2 of a
:: peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ate 1/2 of a
:: sandwich and another cookie and some more water. I was only
:: drinking water on this ride. I felt okay coming home but began to
:: get a bit dizzy. I stood up and felt really dizzy for a bit and had
:: to put my head lower for few. I ate some rice, pasta, fish and some
:: blueberry yogurt and laid down for an hour or so and now feel much
:: better.
::
:: Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get
:: dizzy?
::
:: Thanks,
:: Curt

06-07-2004, 06:15 AM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on Saturday on a
> a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two hamburgers and some lettuce the
> day before.
>
> No bonk. Rode hard.

If what you wrote is true, you didn't ride hard. Riding hard will
deplete your glycogen stores in less than two hours. If I were to
guess, I'd say that you rode at a moderate pace.

Typical nutrition requirements for different effort zones:

Zone 1: no need to eat
Zone 2: no need to eat, except on ultra rides
Zone 3: no longer that 4 hours without food
Zone 4: eat every hour
Zone 5: doesn't matter, too short a time
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-07-2004, 06:15 AM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on Saturday on a
> a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two hamburgers and some lettuce the
> day before.
>
> No bonk. Rode hard.

If what you wrote is true, you didn't ride hard. Riding hard will
deplete your glycogen stores in less than two hours. If I were to
guess, I'd say that you rode at a moderate pace.

Typical nutrition requirements for different effort zones:

Zone 1: no need to eat
Zone 2: no need to eat, except on ultra rides
Zone 3: no longer that 4 hours without food
Zone 4: eat every hour
Zone 5: doesn't matter, too short a time
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-07-2004, 06:15 AM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on Saturday on a
> a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two hamburgers and some lettuce the
> day before.
>
> No bonk. Rode hard.

If what you wrote is true, you didn't ride hard. Riding hard will
deplete your glycogen stores in less than two hours. If I were to
guess, I'd say that you rode at a moderate pace.

Typical nutrition requirements for different effort zones:

Zone 1: no need to eat
Zone 2: no need to eat, except on ultra rides
Zone 3: no longer that 4 hours without food
Zone 4: eat every hour
Zone 5: doesn't matter, too short a time
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-07-2004, 06:15 AM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on Saturday on a
> a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two hamburgers and some lettuce the
> day before.
>
> No bonk. Rode hard.

If what you wrote is true, you didn't ride hard. Riding hard will
deplete your glycogen stores in less than two hours. If I were to
guess, I'd say that you rode at a moderate pace.

Typical nutrition requirements for different effort zones:

Zone 1: no need to eat
Zone 2: no need to eat, except on ultra rides
Zone 3: no longer that 4 hours without food
Zone 4: eat every hour
Zone 5: doesn't matter, too short a time
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]