Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! - Page 10 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

06-12-2004, 01:43 PM

"Daniel T." <postmaster@eathlink.net> wrote in message
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> In article <Pine.GSO.4.58.0406120010490.8911@alumni.engin.umi ch.edu>,

> I'm new to this car vs bicycle debate, yet is sounds very familliar to
> the debate over in rec.boats; there it's motor-boat vs sailboat.
> Different vehicles, but the same facts. How much property damage can a
> bicycle do compaired to a car? Can DUI bicyclests ram through the wall
> of the local McDonald's killing and injuring happy meal eaters?

A DUI bicyclist could pull many types of idiotic maneuvers that could cause a car
operator to lose control of his vehicle and plow into a McDonalds. And just why is
that DUI bicyclist on his bicycle? Did he lose his DL because of multiple DUI's?

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06-12-2004, 01:49 PM

"Daniel T." <postmaster@eathlink.net> wrote in message
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> I'm not going to claim that what Mr. Stern says never happens, but I
> expect that when something like that happens but its a car rather than a
> bike that is "ramming" through a busy intersection against the light, a
> hell of a lot more damage occurs.

What Stern is seeing (and what lots of other drivers see) is cyclists disregarding
the laws that they are supposed to be obeying. The difference is that the car driver
gets a ticket, fine and higher insurance when caught. The cyclist just gets away with
it.

> I still say he's just pissed because he sees bikes doing what he can't
> do in his car, but he isn't willing to ride a bike in order to have the
> privileges that bikers have. Of course, that doesn't stop him from
> wanting to take those privileges away from the bicyclists.

Since when do bicyclists have the privlege of disregarding traffic laws that are
there for the safety of everyone?

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06-12-2004, 01:49 PM

"Daniel T." <postmaster@eathlink.net> wrote in message
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> I'm not going to claim that what Mr. Stern says never happens, but I
> expect that when something like that happens but its a car rather than a
> bike that is "ramming" through a busy intersection against the light, a
> hell of a lot more damage occurs.

What Stern is seeing (and what lots of other drivers see) is cyclists disregarding
the laws that they are supposed to be obeying. The difference is that the car driver
gets a ticket, fine and higher insurance when caught. The cyclist just gets away with
it.

> I still say he's just pissed because he sees bikes doing what he can't
> do in his car, but he isn't willing to ride a bike in order to have the
> privileges that bikers have. Of course, that doesn't stop him from
> wanting to take those privileges away from the bicyclists.

Since when do bicyclists have the privlege of disregarding traffic laws that are
there for the safety of everyone?

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Paul

06-12-2004, 01:49 PM

"Daniel T." <postmaster@eathlink.net> wrote in message
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ostmaster-D81410.17142012062004@news1.west.earthlink.net...

> I'm not going to claim that what Mr. Stern says never happens, but I
> expect that when something like that happens but its a car rather than a
> bike that is "ramming" through a busy intersection against the light, a
> hell of a lot more damage occurs.

What Stern is seeing (and what lots of other drivers see) is cyclists disregarding
the laws that they are supposed to be obeying. The difference is that the car driver
gets a ticket, fine and higher insurance when caught. The cyclist just gets away with
it.

> I still say he's just pissed because he sees bikes doing what he can't
> do in his car, but he isn't willing to ride a bike in order to have the
> privileges that bikers have. Of course, that doesn't stop him from
> wanting to take those privileges away from the bicyclists.

Since when do bicyclists have the privlege of disregarding traffic laws that are
there for the safety of everyone?

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Paul

06-12-2004, 01:49 PM

"Daniel T." <postmaster@eathlink.net> wrote in message
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ostmaster-D81410.17142012062004@news1.west.earthlink.net...

> I'm not going to claim that what Mr. Stern says never happens, but I
> expect that when something like that happens but its a car rather than a
> bike that is "ramming" through a busy intersection against the light, a
> hell of a lot more damage occurs.

What Stern is seeing (and what lots of other drivers see) is cyclists disregarding
the laws that they are supposed to be obeying. The difference is that the car driver
gets a ticket, fine and higher insurance when caught. The cyclist just gets away with
it.

> I still say he's just pissed because he sees bikes doing what he can't
> do in his car, but he isn't willing to ride a bike in order to have the
> privileges that bikers have. Of course, that doesn't stop him from
> wanting to take those privileges away from the bicyclists.

Since when do bicyclists have the privlege of disregarding traffic laws that are
there for the safety of everyone?

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Paul

06-12-2004, 01:49 PM

"Daniel T." <postmaster@eathlink.net> wrote in message
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ostmaster-D81410.17142012062004@news1.west.earthlink.net...

> I'm not going to claim that what Mr. Stern says never happens, but I
> expect that when something like that happens but its a car rather than a
> bike that is "ramming" through a busy intersection against the light, a
> hell of a lot more damage occurs.

What Stern is seeing (and what lots of other drivers see) is cyclists disregarding
the laws that they are supposed to be obeying. The difference is that the car driver
gets a ticket, fine and higher insurance when caught. The cyclist just gets away with
it.

> I still say he's just pissed because he sees bikes doing what he can't
> do in his car, but he isn't willing to ride a bike in order to have the
> privileges that bikers have. Of course, that doesn't stop him from
> wanting to take those privileges away from the bicyclists.

Since when do bicyclists have the privlege of disregarding traffic laws that are
there for the safety of everyone?

--
Paul

06-12-2004, 02:02 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ich.edu>,
"Daniel J. Stern" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004, Tom Keats wrote:
>
>> > They can ram through busy intersections against the light, causing
>> > multiple collisions as drivers attempt to avoid hitting them.
>> > Different venue, same effect.
>
>> I've heard this point raised in the course of discussion before, but
>> I've never seen nor heard of actual incidents where this has occurred.
>
> 'cause the cyclist, having caused mayhem, simply decides he's a
> pedestrian, makes a 90-degree turn and cruises away from the scene. Did
> anyone get his license plate? Oh that's right...he DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE
> ONE!

There'd still be a bunch of drivers both directly involved and
simply looking on, in these alleged, cyclist-caused, multi-car
pile-ups.

So, where are they? Let's hear from these drivers (if they
exist.) Or better yet -- their insurance reps.

Incidentally, I've never seen a cyclist "ram" through a /busy/
intersection against the light. But then, I've never seen anyone
jump through between boxcars of a fast moving train, either.

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06-12-2004, 02:02 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ich.edu>,
"Daniel J. Stern" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004, Tom Keats wrote:
>
>> > They can ram through busy intersections against the light, causing
>> > multiple collisions as drivers attempt to avoid hitting them.
>> > Different venue, same effect.
>
>> I've heard this point raised in the course of discussion before, but
>> I've never seen nor heard of actual incidents where this has occurred.
>
> 'cause the cyclist, having caused mayhem, simply decides he's a
> pedestrian, makes a 90-degree turn and cruises away from the scene. Did
> anyone get his license plate? Oh that's right...he DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE
> ONE!

There'd still be a bunch of drivers both directly involved and
simply looking on, in these alleged, cyclist-caused, multi-car
pile-ups.

So, where are they? Let's hear from these drivers (if they
exist.) Or better yet -- their insurance reps.

Incidentally, I've never seen a cyclist "ram" through a /busy/
intersection against the light. But then, I've never seen anyone
jump through between boxcars of a fast moving train, either.

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06-12-2004, 02:02 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ich.edu>,
"Daniel J. Stern" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004, Tom Keats wrote:
>
>> > They can ram through busy intersections against the light, causing
>> > multiple collisions as drivers attempt to avoid hitting them.
>> > Different venue, same effect.
>
>> I've heard this point raised in the course of discussion before, but
>> I've never seen nor heard of actual incidents where this has occurred.
>
> 'cause the cyclist, having caused mayhem, simply decides he's a
> pedestrian, makes a 90-degree turn and cruises away from the scene. Did
> anyone get his license plate? Oh that's right...he DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE
> ONE!

There'd still be a bunch of drivers both directly involved and
simply looking on, in these alleged, cyclist-caused, multi-car
pile-ups.

So, where are they? Let's hear from these drivers (if they
exist.) Or better yet -- their insurance reps.

Incidentally, I've never seen a cyclist "ram" through a /busy/
intersection against the light. But then, I've never seen anyone
jump through between boxcars of a fast moving train, either.

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06-12-2004, 02:02 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ich.edu>,
"Daniel J. Stern" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004, Tom Keats wrote:
>
>> > They can ram through busy intersections against the light, causing
>> > multiple collisions as drivers attempt to avoid hitting them.
>> > Different venue, same effect.
>
>> I've heard this point raised in the course of discussion before, but
>> I've never seen nor heard of actual incidents where this has occurred.
>
> 'cause the cyclist, having caused mayhem, simply decides he's a
> pedestrian, makes a 90-degree turn and cruises away from the scene. Did
> anyone get his license plate? Oh that's right...he DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE
> ONE!

There'd still be a bunch of drivers both directly involved and
simply looking on, in these alleged, cyclist-caused, multi-car
pile-ups.

So, where are they? Let's hear from these drivers (if they
exist.) Or better yet -- their insurance reps.

Incidentally, I've never seen a cyclist "ram" through a /busy/
intersection against the light. But then, I've never seen anyone
jump through between boxcars of a fast moving train, either.

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