Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! - Page 2

06-11-2004, 09:22 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ch.edu>, Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> I was walking down Bloor St when I saw a copcycle pull over a cyclist for
> running a red light...talk about shock and awe!

Quite different from my experience. I stop and the cop runs the red.

> Now, it did my heart a lot of good to see and hear this.

The only times I've been stopped by a cop is when they insisted I
could not use the roadway but had to teeter on the couple inches
of pavement to the right on the while line and left of the gravel.

> I'd like to see a lot more of this kind of police activity, but pragmatic
> questions pretty much scotch the idea.

I'd like to see for ALL vehicles.

> There's no law requiring
> registration of bicycles or carrying an operator's license -- or, for that
> matter, any form of identification at all -- while riding one.

This doesn't prevent a ticket from being written and legally binding.

> Should be,
> but isn't. So what if the cop stops someone who hasn't got ID? What,
> exactly, can the cop do? And even if s/he succeeds in writing a ticket,
> what's to motivate the recipient to pay it? There'll be no demerit points
> on his driver's license (which s/he may not even have). There'll be no
> increase in insurance premiums (which s/he's not required to carry).
> There'll be no denial of renewed registration (also not required).

Because a warrant will be issued for his arrest. This will turn up at
a bad time like when he gets pulled over for driving 70mph on an empty
expressway at 2am.

> Be nice if cops could/would (they probably can) write tickets and impound
> bicycles until the ticket is paid.

Autos first. It would kill the speeding ticket industry. And btw, cops
are already known to do just that, cept it's with anyone riding a bike
within reach when there is some sort of protest or convention going on.

06-12-2004, 01:41 AM

Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> *Reposted, this time to correct groups*
>
> (Prefatory note to Brent: Yes, I'm aware there are many badly-behaved
> motorists. No, I don't think they should get off scot-free, either. Yes,
> I'm aware you're vehemently opposed to bicycle and rider registration. No,
> I don't buy your putative reasons for it. Yes, I know you have to respond
> to this post. No, I won't get in a pissing contest with you.)
>
> I was walking down Bloor St when I saw a copcycle pull over a cyclist for
> running a red light...talk about shock and awe! I've never seen the likes
> of this before. The cop ordered the cyclist to dismount, walk his bike to
> the corner and park it, then lectured the guy for a few minutes ("Red
> lights mean STOP, whether you're in a car or on a bike or on your feet!
> It's the same rules of the road for you as for everyone else who uses
> it!"). The guy was arguing that he bicycles in this area all the time,
> there were no cars coming, etc. The cop (surprise...) told the guy he was
> just warning him this time rather than writing a ticket, and eventually
> let him ride off.

Okay, has anyone ever seen a cop let a driver off after they ran a red
light? Hmmmm??

Unless the driver was a politician or fellow cop, I doubt it.

And I love the argument from the bicyclist: there were no cars coming.
How the frig does he know? Is he psychic? There were no cars coming
because he lived to tell about it. Had there been cars coming, they'd
be scraping him off the street...

....And the gene pool would be 0.000000000000000001% better.

John

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06-12-2004, 01:41 AM

Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> *Reposted, this time to correct groups*
>
> (Prefatory note to Brent: Yes, I'm aware there are many badly-behaved
> motorists. No, I don't think they should get off scot-free, either. Yes,
> I'm aware you're vehemently opposed to bicycle and rider registration. No,
> I don't buy your putative reasons for it. Yes, I know you have to respond
> to this post. No, I won't get in a pissing contest with you.)
>
> I was walking down Bloor St when I saw a copcycle pull over a cyclist for
> running a red light...talk about shock and awe! I've never seen the likes
> of this before. The cop ordered the cyclist to dismount, walk his bike to
> the corner and park it, then lectured the guy for a few minutes ("Red
> lights mean STOP, whether you're in a car or on a bike or on your feet!
> It's the same rules of the road for you as for everyone else who uses
> it!"). The guy was arguing that he bicycles in this area all the time,
> there were no cars coming, etc. The cop (surprise...) told the guy he was
> just warning him this time rather than writing a ticket, and eventually
> let him ride off.

Okay, has anyone ever seen a cop let a driver off after they ran a red
light? Hmmmm??

Unless the driver was a politician or fellow cop, I doubt it.

And I love the argument from the bicyclist: there were no cars coming.
How the frig does he know? Is he psychic? There were no cars coming
because he lived to tell about it. Had there been cars coming, they'd
be scraping him off the street...

....And the gene pool would be 0.000000000000000001% better.

John

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06-12-2004, 01:41 AM

Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> *Reposted, this time to correct groups*
>
> (Prefatory note to Brent: Yes, I'm aware there are many badly-behaved
> motorists. No, I don't think they should get off scot-free, either. Yes,
> I'm aware you're vehemently opposed to bicycle and rider registration. No,
> I don't buy your putative reasons for it. Yes, I know you have to respond
> to this post. No, I won't get in a pissing contest with you.)
>
> I was walking down Bloor St when I saw a copcycle pull over a cyclist for
> running a red light...talk about shock and awe! I've never seen the likes
> of this before. The cop ordered the cyclist to dismount, walk his bike to
> the corner and park it, then lectured the guy for a few minutes ("Red
> lights mean STOP, whether you're in a car or on a bike or on your feet!
> It's the same rules of the road for you as for everyone else who uses
> it!"). The guy was arguing that he bicycles in this area all the time,
> there were no cars coming, etc. The cop (surprise...) told the guy he was
> just warning him this time rather than writing a ticket, and eventually
> let him ride off.

Okay, has anyone ever seen a cop let a driver off after they ran a red
light? Hmmmm??

Unless the driver was a politician or fellow cop, I doubt it.

And I love the argument from the bicyclist: there were no cars coming.
How the frig does he know? Is he psychic? There were no cars coming
because he lived to tell about it. Had there been cars coming, they'd
be scraping him off the street...

....And the gene pool would be 0.000000000000000001% better.

John

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06-12-2004, 01:41 AM

Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> *Reposted, this time to correct groups*
>
> (Prefatory note to Brent: Yes, I'm aware there are many badly-behaved
> motorists. No, I don't think they should get off scot-free, either. Yes,
> I'm aware you're vehemently opposed to bicycle and rider registration. No,
> I don't buy your putative reasons for it. Yes, I know you have to respond
> to this post. No, I won't get in a pissing contest with you.)
>
> I was walking down Bloor St when I saw a copcycle pull over a cyclist for
> running a red light...talk about shock and awe! I've never seen the likes
> of this before. The cop ordered the cyclist to dismount, walk his bike to
> the corner and park it, then lectured the guy for a few minutes ("Red
> lights mean STOP, whether you're in a car or on a bike or on your feet!
> It's the same rules of the road for you as for everyone else who uses
> it!"). The guy was arguing that he bicycles in this area all the time,
> there were no cars coming, etc. The cop (surprise...) told the guy he was
> just warning him this time rather than writing a ticket, and eventually
> let him ride off.

Okay, has anyone ever seen a cop let a driver off after they ran a red
light? Hmmmm??

Unless the driver was a politician or fellow cop, I doubt it.

And I love the argument from the bicyclist: there were no cars coming.
How the frig does he know? Is he psychic? There were no cars coming
because he lived to tell about it. Had there been cars coming, they'd
be scraping him off the street...

....And the gene pool would be 0.000000000000000001% better.

John

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06-12-2004, 01:41 AM

Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> *Reposted, this time to correct groups*
>
> (Prefatory note to Brent: Yes, I'm aware there are many badly-behaved
> motorists. No, I don't think they should get off scot-free, either. Yes,
> I'm aware you're vehemently opposed to bicycle and rider registration. No,
> I don't buy your putative reasons for it. Yes, I know you have to respond
> to this post. No, I won't get in a pissing contest with you.)
>
> I was walking down Bloor St when I saw a copcycle pull over a cyclist for
> running a red light...talk about shock and awe! I've never seen the likes
> of this before. The cop ordered the cyclist to dismount, walk his bike to
> the corner and park it, then lectured the guy for a few minutes ("Red
> lights mean STOP, whether you're in a car or on a bike or on your feet!
> It's the same rules of the road for you as for everyone else who uses
> it!"). The guy was arguing that he bicycles in this area all the time,
> there were no cars coming, etc. The cop (surprise...) told the guy he was
> just warning him this time rather than writing a ticket, and eventually
> let him ride off.

Okay, has anyone ever seen a cop let a driver off after they ran a red
light? Hmmmm??

Unless the driver was a politician or fellow cop, I doubt it.

And I love the argument from the bicyclist: there were no cars coming.
How the frig does he know? Is he psychic? There were no cars coming
because he lived to tell about it. Had there been cars coming, they'd
be scraping him off the street...

....And the gene pool would be 0.000000000000000001% better.

John

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06-12-2004, 02:44 AM

Too many to read every reply, I hope this wasn't touched on. We here in
Florida have had police crack downs in the past giving cyclists tickets for
not stopping, as you say "cyclists are subject to the same traffic laws as
anyone else". That is not quite true in this case, cyclists are required to
do more! Simply stopping at a stop sign can still get you a ticket IF you
fail to put one foot fully on the ground. Comments?

Bob

"The Lindbergh Baby" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
message news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> > *Reposted, this time to correct groups*
> >
> > (Prefatory note to Brent: Yes, I'm aware there are many badly-behaved
> > motorists. No, I don't think they should get off scot-free, either.
Yes,
> > I'm aware you're vehemently opposed to bicycle and rider registration.
No,
> > I don't buy your putative reasons for it. Yes, I know you have to
respond
> > to this post. No, I won't get in a pissing contest with you.)
> >
> > I was walking down Bloor St when I saw a copcycle pull over a cyclist
for
> > running a red light...talk about shock and awe! I've never seen the
likes
> > of this before. The cop ordered the cyclist to dismount, walk his bike
to
> > the corner and park it, then lectured the guy for a few minutes ("Red
> > lights mean STOP, whether you're in a car or on a bike or on your feet!
> > It's the same rules of the road for you as for everyone else who uses
> > it!"). The guy was arguing that he bicycles in this area all the time,
> > there were no cars coming, etc. The cop (surprise...) told the guy he
was
> > just warning him this time rather than writing a ticket, and eventually
> > let him ride off.
>
> Okay, has anyone ever seen a cop let a driver off after they ran a red
> light? Hmmmm??
>
> Unless the driver was a politician or fellow cop, I doubt it.
>
> And I love the argument from the bicyclist: there were no cars coming.
> How the frig does he know? Is he psychic? There were no cars coming
> because he lived to tell about it. Had there been cars coming, they'd
> be scraping him off the street...
>
> ...And the gene pool would be 0.000000000000000001% better.
>
>
>
> John
>
> --
> To reply, remove "die.spammers" from address
>
>
> Von Herzen, moge es wieder zu Herzen gehen. --Beethoven
>

06-12-2004, 02:44 AM

Too many to read every reply, I hope this wasn't touched on. We here in
Florida have had police crack downs in the past giving cyclists tickets for
not stopping, as you say "cyclists are subject to the same traffic laws as
anyone else". That is not quite true in this case, cyclists are required to
do more! Simply stopping at a stop sign can still get you a ticket IF you
fail to put one foot fully on the ground. Comments?

Bob

"The Lindbergh Baby" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
message news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> > *Reposted, this time to correct groups*
> >
> > (Prefatory note to Brent: Yes, I'm aware there are many badly-behaved
> > motorists. No, I don't think they should get off scot-free, either.
Yes,
> > I'm aware you're vehemently opposed to bicycle and rider registration.
No,
> > I don't buy your putative reasons for it. Yes, I know you have to
respond
> > to this post. No, I won't get in a pissing contest with you.)
> >
> > I was walking down Bloor St when I saw a copcycle pull over a cyclist
for
> > running a red light...talk about shock and awe! I've never seen the
likes
> > of this before. The cop ordered the cyclist to dismount, walk his bike
to
> > the corner and park it, then lectured the guy for a few minutes ("Red
> > lights mean STOP, whether you're in a car or on a bike or on your feet!
> > It's the same rules of the road for you as for everyone else who uses
> > it!"). The guy was arguing that he bicycles in this area all the time,
> > there were no cars coming, etc. The cop (surprise...) told the guy he
was
> > just warning him this time rather than writing a ticket, and eventually
> > let him ride off.
>
> Okay, has anyone ever seen a cop let a driver off after they ran a red
> light? Hmmmm??
>
> Unless the driver was a politician or fellow cop, I doubt it.
>
> And I love the argument from the bicyclist: there were no cars coming.
> How the frig does he know? Is he psychic? There were no cars coming
> because he lived to tell about it. Had there been cars coming, they'd
> be scraping him off the street...
>
> ...And the gene pool would be 0.000000000000000001% better.
>
>
>
> John
>
> --
> To reply, remove "die.spammers" from address
>
>
> Von Herzen, moge es wieder zu Herzen gehen. --Beethoven
>

06-12-2004, 02:44 AM

Too many to read every reply, I hope this wasn't touched on. We here in
Florida have had police crack downs in the past giving cyclists tickets for
not stopping, as you say "cyclists are subject to the same traffic laws as
anyone else". That is not quite true in this case, cyclists are required to
do more! Simply stopping at a stop sign can still get you a ticket IF you
fail to put one foot fully on the ground. Comments?

Bob

"The Lindbergh Baby" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
message news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> > *Reposted, this time to correct groups*
> >
> > (Prefatory note to Brent: Yes, I'm aware there are many badly-behaved
> > motorists. No, I don't think they should get off scot-free, either.
Yes,
> > I'm aware you're vehemently opposed to bicycle and rider registration.
No,
> > I don't buy your putative reasons for it. Yes, I know you have to
respond
> > to this post. No, I won't get in a pissing contest with you.)
> >
> > I was walking down Bloor St when I saw a copcycle pull over a cyclist
for
> > running a red light...talk about shock and awe! I've never seen the
likes
> > of this before. The cop ordered the cyclist to dismount, walk his bike
to
> > the corner and park it, then lectured the guy for a few minutes ("Red
> > lights mean STOP, whether you're in a car or on a bike or on your feet!
> > It's the same rules of the road for you as for everyone else who uses
> > it!"). The guy was arguing that he bicycles in this area all the time,
> > there were no cars coming, etc. The cop (surprise...) told the guy he
was
> > just warning him this time rather than writing a ticket, and eventually
> > let him ride off.
>
> Okay, has anyone ever seen a cop let a driver off after they ran a red
> light? Hmmmm??
>
> Unless the driver was a politician or fellow cop, I doubt it.
>
> And I love the argument from the bicyclist: there were no cars coming.
> How the frig does he know? Is he psychic? There were no cars coming
> because he lived to tell about it. Had there been cars coming, they'd
> be scraping him off the street...
>
> ...And the gene pool would be 0.000000000000000001% better.
>
>
>
> John
>
> --
> To reply, remove "die.spammers" from address
>
>
> Von Herzen, moge es wieder zu Herzen gehen. --Beethoven
>

06-12-2004, 02:44 AM

Too many to read every reply, I hope this wasn't touched on. We here in
Florida have had police crack downs in the past giving cyclists tickets for
not stopping, as you say "cyclists are subject to the same traffic laws as
anyone else". That is not quite true in this case, cyclists are required to
do more! Simply stopping at a stop sign can still get you a ticket IF you
fail to put one foot fully on the ground. Comments?

Bob

"The Lindbergh Baby" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
message news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> > *Reposted, this time to correct groups*
> >
> > (Prefatory note to Brent: Yes, I'm aware there are many badly-behaved
> > motorists. No, I don't think they should get off scot-free, either.
Yes,
> > I'm aware you're vehemently opposed to bicycle and rider registration.
No,
> > I don't buy your putative reasons for it. Yes, I know you have to
respond
> > to this post. No, I won't get in a pissing contest with you.)
> >
> > I was walking down Bloor St when I saw a copcycle pull over a cyclist
for
> > running a red light...talk about shock and awe! I've never seen the
likes
> > of this before. The cop ordered the cyclist to dismount, walk his bike
to
> > the corner and park it, then lectured the guy for a few minutes ("Red
> > lights mean STOP, whether you're in a car or on a bike or on your feet!
> > It's the same rules of the road for you as for everyone else who uses
> > it!"). The guy was arguing that he bicycles in this area all the time,
> > there were no cars coming, etc. The cop (surprise...) told the guy he
was
> > just warning him this time rather than writing a ticket, and eventually
> > let him ride off.
>
> Okay, has anyone ever seen a cop let a driver off after they ran a red
> light? Hmmmm??
>
> Unless the driver was a politician or fellow cop, I doubt it.
>
> And I love the argument from the bicyclist: there were no cars coming.
> How the frig does he know? Is he psychic? There were no cars coming
> because he lived to tell about it. Had there been cars coming, they'd
> be scraping him off the street...
>
> ...And the gene pool would be 0.000000000000000001% better.
>
>
>
> John
>
> --
> To reply, remove "die.spammers" from address
>
>
> Von Herzen, moge es wieder zu Herzen gehen. --Beethoven
>