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06-14-2004, 05:39 AM

>I've heard of worse.A few years ago, a pedestrian was killed by a
>bicyclist who ran a red. The incident occurred on the street that
>Daniel Stern, the original poster, observed the bicyclist being
>stopped for running a red. It's not very common, but it does happen.

Sure it CAN happen, but exactly how many pedestrians have been killed by being
run down by errant cyclists in the last 10 years in the USA? Now, how many
pedestrians have been killed by being run down by errant motorists in the last
10 years in the USA? I bet the difference is about 4-5 orders of magnitude.
Erratic motorists are a much greater risk then erratic cyclists. It is a fact.
I do not contest that the fact that foolish cyclists exist. I am merely
pointing out that the consequences of their foolishness tends to be less then
for the same actions taken by a motorist.

06-14-2004, 06:49 AM

In rec.autos.driving, Zoot Katz said:

>>And you are ignoring the fact that while the bicyclist can not actually *do* the
>>damage, the cyclist can set in motion the events that *cause* the damage. i.e.: a
>>cyclist darts out into traffic from between two parked vehicles and an oncomming car
>>swerves to avoid the cyclist and hits one of those vehicles. The cyclist did not
>>physically do the damage, but was the cause of the damage.
>
>Blow me. A dog, coon or skunk could do the same thing.

Interesting... So you're saying that pedalcyclists are about as intelligent as
dogs, coons, and skunks?

--
Sloth is the first deadly sin.

06-14-2004, 06:49 AM

In rec.autos.driving, Zoot Katz said:

>>And you are ignoring the fact that while the bicyclist can not actually *do* the
>>damage, the cyclist can set in motion the events that *cause* the damage. i.e.: a
>>cyclist darts out into traffic from between two parked vehicles and an oncomming car
>>swerves to avoid the cyclist and hits one of those vehicles. The cyclist did not
>>physically do the damage, but was the cause of the damage.
>
>Blow me. A dog, coon or skunk could do the same thing.

Interesting... So you're saying that pedalcyclists are about as intelligent as
dogs, coons, and skunks?

--
Sloth is the first deadly sin.

06-14-2004, 06:49 AM

In rec.autos.driving, Zoot Katz said:

>>And you are ignoring the fact that while the bicyclist can not actually *do* the
>>damage, the cyclist can set in motion the events that *cause* the damage. i.e.: a
>>cyclist darts out into traffic from between two parked vehicles and an oncomming car
>>swerves to avoid the cyclist and hits one of those vehicles. The cyclist did not
>>physically do the damage, but was the cause of the damage.
>
>Blow me. A dog, coon or skunk could do the same thing.

Interesting... So you're saying that pedalcyclists are about as intelligent as
dogs, coons, and skunks?

--
Sloth is the first deadly sin.

06-14-2004, 06:49 AM

In rec.autos.driving, Zoot Katz said:

>>And you are ignoring the fact that while the bicyclist can not actually *do* the
>>damage, the cyclist can set in motion the events that *cause* the damage. i.e.: a
>>cyclist darts out into traffic from between two parked vehicles and an oncomming car
>>swerves to avoid the cyclist and hits one of those vehicles. The cyclist did not
>>physically do the damage, but was the cause of the damage.
>
>Blow me. A dog, coon or skunk could do the same thing.

Interesting... So you're saying that pedalcyclists are about as intelligent as
dogs, coons, and skunks?

--
Sloth is the first deadly sin.

06-14-2004, 06:49 AM

In rec.autos.driving, Zoot Katz said:

>>And you are ignoring the fact that while the bicyclist can not actually *do* the
>>damage, the cyclist can set in motion the events that *cause* the damage. i.e.: a
>>cyclist darts out into traffic from between two parked vehicles and an oncomming car
>>swerves to avoid the cyclist and hits one of those vehicles. The cyclist did not
>>physically do the damage, but was the cause of the damage.
>
>Blow me. A dog, coon or skunk could do the same thing.

Interesting... So you're saying that pedalcyclists are about as intelligent as
dogs, coons, and skunks?

--
Sloth is the first deadly sin.

06-14-2004, 09:07 AM

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Norman Wilson wrote:

> >Forget the street name; it's the traffic light four or five blocks West
> >of High Park Ave (the one *with* cross traffic)

> Four or five blocks west, a block or two west of where the grade levels
> out, first true four-way intersection west of High Park? Probably
> Runnymede.

Yep! Runnymede it was.

> That is indeed a busy part of Bloor Street, both in the roadway and in
> pedestrian traffic on the sidewalks and in the crosswalks.

"There were no cars comin'!" (the bicyclist who got stopped). As you know,
there are *always* cars comin' there.

-Stern

06-14-2004, 09:07 AM

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Norman Wilson wrote:

> >Forget the street name; it's the traffic light four or five blocks West
> >of High Park Ave (the one *with* cross traffic)

> Four or five blocks west, a block or two west of where the grade levels
> out, first true four-way intersection west of High Park? Probably
> Runnymede.

Yep! Runnymede it was.

> That is indeed a busy part of Bloor Street, both in the roadway and in
> pedestrian traffic on the sidewalks and in the crosswalks.

"There were no cars comin'!" (the bicyclist who got stopped). As you know,
there are *always* cars comin' there.

-Stern

06-14-2004, 09:07 AM

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Norman Wilson wrote:

> >Forget the street name; it's the traffic light four or five blocks West
> >of High Park Ave (the one *with* cross traffic)

> Four or five blocks west, a block or two west of where the grade levels
> out, first true four-way intersection west of High Park? Probably
> Runnymede.

Yep! Runnymede it was.

> That is indeed a busy part of Bloor Street, both in the roadway and in
> pedestrian traffic on the sidewalks and in the crosswalks.

"There were no cars comin'!" (the bicyclist who got stopped). As you know,
there are *always* cars comin' there.

-Stern

06-14-2004, 09:07 AM

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Norman Wilson wrote:

> >Forget the street name; it's the traffic light four or five blocks West
> >of High Park Ave (the one *with* cross traffic)

> Four or five blocks west, a block or two west of where the grade levels
> out, first true four-way intersection west of High Park? Probably
> Runnymede.

Yep! Runnymede it was.

> That is indeed a busy part of Bloor Street, both in the roadway and in
> pedestrian traffic on the sidewalks and in the crosswalks.

"There were no cars comin'!" (the bicyclist who got stopped). As you know,
there are *always* cars comin' there.

-Stern