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06-17-2004, 11:18 AM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! "Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@md-bicycling.org> wrote in message news  fn3d01npp02nqqaabug9tn900dc17jn29@4ax.com...> The wait staff at most successful high end restaurants work harder in > my experience than the wait staff in a low end diner. They have more > training and more demanding patrons. OTOH, they are being tipped from > a per diner charge of $ 40 on up and the low end diner tops out at > maybe $ 15 U.S., so 18% of one is a lot more than 18% or so of the > other. However, a server in a higher end restaurant has to divide the gratuity up between several people. The Maitre' D, the bartender and busperson all get a percentage. Dave |
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06-17-2004, 11:57 AM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! "Raoul Duke" <thedogswontmind@spinachparade.com> wrote in message news:10d3rjnm498577d@corp.supernews.com > "Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@md-bicycling.org> wrote in message > news fn3d01npp02nqqaabug9tn900dc17jn29@4ax.com...> >> The wait staff at most successful high end restaurants work harder in >> my experience than the wait staff in a low end diner. They have more >> training and more demanding patrons. OTOH, they are being tipped from >> a per diner charge of $ 40 on up and the low end diner tops out at >> maybe $ 15 U.S., so 18% of one is a lot more than 18% or so of the >> other. > > However, a server in a higher end restaurant has to divide the > gratuity up between several people. The Maitre' D, the bartender and > busperson all get a percentage. I am *so* glad I live in a country where we don't have bother with all this nonsense. -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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06-17-2004, 11:57 AM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! "Raoul Duke" <thedogswontmind@spinachparade.com> wrote in message news:10d3rjnm498577d@corp.supernews.com > "Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@md-bicycling.org> wrote in message > news fn3d01npp02nqqaabug9tn900dc17jn29@4ax.com...> >> The wait staff at most successful high end restaurants work harder in >> my experience than the wait staff in a low end diner. They have more >> training and more demanding patrons. OTOH, they are being tipped from >> a per diner charge of $ 40 on up and the low end diner tops out at >> maybe $ 15 U.S., so 18% of one is a lot more than 18% or so of the >> other. > > However, a server in a higher end restaurant has to divide the > gratuity up between several people. The Maitre' D, the bartender and > busperson all get a percentage. I am *so* glad I live in a country where we don't have bother with all this nonsense. -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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06-17-2004, 11:57 AM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! "Raoul Duke" <thedogswontmind@spinachparade.com> wrote in message news:10d3rjnm498577d@corp.supernews.com > "Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@md-bicycling.org> wrote in message > news fn3d01npp02nqqaabug9tn900dc17jn29@4ax.com...> >> The wait staff at most successful high end restaurants work harder in >> my experience than the wait staff in a low end diner. They have more >> training and more demanding patrons. OTOH, they are being tipped from >> a per diner charge of $ 40 on up and the low end diner tops out at >> maybe $ 15 U.S., so 18% of one is a lot more than 18% or so of the >> other. > > However, a server in a higher end restaurant has to divide the > gratuity up between several people. The Maitre' D, the bartender and > busperson all get a percentage. I am *so* glad I live in a country where we don't have bother with all this nonsense. -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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06-17-2004, 11:57 AM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! "Raoul Duke" <thedogswontmind@spinachparade.com> wrote in message news:10d3rjnm498577d@corp.supernews.com > "Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@md-bicycling.org> wrote in message > news fn3d01npp02nqqaabug9tn900dc17jn29@4ax.com...> >> The wait staff at most successful high end restaurants work harder in >> my experience than the wait staff in a low end diner. They have more >> training and more demanding patrons. OTOH, they are being tipped from >> a per diner charge of $ 40 on up and the low end diner tops out at >> maybe $ 15 U.S., so 18% of one is a lot more than 18% or so of the >> other. > > However, a server in a higher end restaurant has to divide the > gratuity up between several people. The Maitre' D, the bartender and > busperson all get a percentage. I am *so* glad I live in a country where we don't have bother with all this nonsense. -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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06-17-2004, 11:57 AM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! "Raoul Duke" <thedogswontmind@spinachparade.com> wrote in message news:10d3rjnm498577d@corp.supernews.com > "Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@md-bicycling.org> wrote in message > news fn3d01npp02nqqaabug9tn900dc17jn29@4ax.com...> >> The wait staff at most successful high end restaurants work harder in >> my experience than the wait staff in a low end diner. They have more >> training and more demanding patrons. OTOH, they are being tipped from >> a per diner charge of $ 40 on up and the low end diner tops out at >> maybe $ 15 U.S., so 18% of one is a lot more than 18% or so of the >> other. > > However, a server in a higher end restaurant has to divide the > gratuity up between several people. The Maitre' D, the bartender and > busperson all get a percentage. I am *so* glad I live in a country where we don't have bother with all this nonsense. -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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06-17-2004, 09:30 PM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Scott in Aztlán <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes: > In rec.autos.driving, Tom Keats said: > >>> Too many >>> cyclists misuse the road knowingly and with malice. >> >>You're certainly fast on the draw when it comes to hyberbole. >> >>Malice is often more in the eye of the beholder than in >>the beholden. > > Actually, I disagree with the diagnosis of malice, at least in most cases. > Arrogance is much more likely to be the cause of most annoying pedalcyclist > behavior, IMHO. Arrogance is expressed by all kinds of /some/ (but not all) road/street users. But so is co-operation, courtesy and consideration. Those things just don't get noticed as much. Another, earlier subthread heretofore discusses pedestrians who get half-way across a street and stop, just to stop the car traffic, just because they can. On the other hand, I distinctly recall occasions when a friend of mine had knee surgery, was on crutches, and drivers aimed and accelerated at him because they thought he was taking too long crossing the -- not a street, but a back access alley. I guess the drivers thought he was being 'arrogant' for trying to get around while being gimped. As a non-driving, transportational cyclist, I've had lots of driver arrogance shoved in my face, when I didn't deserve it. Driver Arrogance is the most prevalent and pervasive kind of on-the-road arrogance, because drivers have all got at least 2 1/2 tons of aces, and good acceleration up their sleeves. I bet not many drivers have had as much crap hurled at them from, or have been passed-&-cut-off by cyclists, or have been threateningly, on-comingly aimed-at in their own lane, as the other way around. It actually could readily be said that private car drivers are the /most/ arrogant group of road users. People get too retalliatory -- even about things that haven't even happened yet, but they expect they will, and it ups their blood pressures. And then their reactions to their malperceived situations impinge on everyone else around. Y'know what I've found works? To regard every road user as somebody that needs to get home to their bathroom real fast. In other words, to consider that their urgencies might be greater than mine. That doesn't mean I'm going to submissively pull-over whenever an impatient driver behind me wants to get ahead of me without exerting a little effort to simply steer around me. I really hate it when people feel compelled to pretend I'm in the way (that's why I prefer not to work in construction or other labour-oriented jobs.) Sometimes I have to occupy an entire lane, to keep from getting clobbered by opening parked car doors to the right, or a stretch of the road is too narrow to share the whole lane, or sometimes to make a left turn. I guess some drivers see cyclists doing that, and prefer to believ we do it /all/ the time, and never consider the many times we let them by. Like, we really /want/ to get hit. Yeah, right. But I promise you, I'll let you by as soon as I can. We cyclists don't want any impatient, arrogant drivers breathing down our necks. But if they can't get past us soon enough for 'em -- tough titty. It's not about arrogance; it's about safety. People should be able to get home to their bathrooms or whatever, without killing anyone or being killed in their haste. Wouldn't it be nice if we /all/ regarded every other road user as somebody that need to get home to their bathroom real fast, no matter what mode of transportation they use? But I guess I'll get that same consideration from drivers as soon as a hog jumps out of my ass. Actually I guess I shouldn't say that, because I've had lots of good, friendly, smiling & waving interactions with drivers. Tell ya this much, though: I've got good news -- I just saved a bundle on car insurance, by not having to buy any. -- -- Powered by FreeBSD Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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06-17-2004, 09:30 PM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Scott in Aztlán <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes: > In rec.autos.driving, Tom Keats said: > >>> Too many >>> cyclists misuse the road knowingly and with malice. >> >>You're certainly fast on the draw when it comes to hyberbole. >> >>Malice is often more in the eye of the beholder than in >>the beholden. > > Actually, I disagree with the diagnosis of malice, at least in most cases. > Arrogance is much more likely to be the cause of most annoying pedalcyclist > behavior, IMHO. Arrogance is expressed by all kinds of /some/ (but not all) road/street users. But so is co-operation, courtesy and consideration. Those things just don't get noticed as much. Another, earlier subthread heretofore discusses pedestrians who get half-way across a street and stop, just to stop the car traffic, just because they can. On the other hand, I distinctly recall occasions when a friend of mine had knee surgery, was on crutches, and drivers aimed and accelerated at him because they thought he was taking too long crossing the -- not a street, but a back access alley. I guess the drivers thought he was being 'arrogant' for trying to get around while being gimped. As a non-driving, transportational cyclist, I've had lots of driver arrogance shoved in my face, when I didn't deserve it. Driver Arrogance is the most prevalent and pervasive kind of on-the-road arrogance, because drivers have all got at least 2 1/2 tons of aces, and good acceleration up their sleeves. I bet not many drivers have had as much crap hurled at them from, or have been passed-&-cut-off by cyclists, or have been threateningly, on-comingly aimed-at in their own lane, as the other way around. It actually could readily be said that private car drivers are the /most/ arrogant group of road users. People get too retalliatory -- even about things that haven't even happened yet, but they expect they will, and it ups their blood pressures. And then their reactions to their malperceived situations impinge on everyone else around. Y'know what I've found works? To regard every road user as somebody that needs to get home to their bathroom real fast. In other words, to consider that their urgencies might be greater than mine. That doesn't mean I'm going to submissively pull-over whenever an impatient driver behind me wants to get ahead of me without exerting a little effort to simply steer around me. I really hate it when people feel compelled to pretend I'm in the way (that's why I prefer not to work in construction or other labour-oriented jobs.) Sometimes I have to occupy an entire lane, to keep from getting clobbered by opening parked car doors to the right, or a stretch of the road is too narrow to share the whole lane, or sometimes to make a left turn. I guess some drivers see cyclists doing that, and prefer to believ we do it /all/ the time, and never consider the many times we let them by. Like, we really /want/ to get hit. Yeah, right. But I promise you, I'll let you by as soon as I can. We cyclists don't want any impatient, arrogant drivers breathing down our necks. But if they can't get past us soon enough for 'em -- tough titty. It's not about arrogance; it's about safety. People should be able to get home to their bathrooms or whatever, without killing anyone or being killed in their haste. Wouldn't it be nice if we /all/ regarded every other road user as somebody that need to get home to their bathroom real fast, no matter what mode of transportation they use? But I guess I'll get that same consideration from drivers as soon as a hog jumps out of my ass. Actually I guess I shouldn't say that, because I've had lots of good, friendly, smiling & waving interactions with drivers. Tell ya this much, though: I've got good news -- I just saved a bundle on car insurance, by not having to buy any. -- -- Powered by FreeBSD Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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06-17-2004, 09:30 PM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Scott in Aztlán <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes: > In rec.autos.driving, Tom Keats said: > >>> Too many >>> cyclists misuse the road knowingly and with malice. >> >>You're certainly fast on the draw when it comes to hyberbole. >> >>Malice is often more in the eye of the beholder than in >>the beholden. > > Actually, I disagree with the diagnosis of malice, at least in most cases. > Arrogance is much more likely to be the cause of most annoying pedalcyclist > behavior, IMHO. Arrogance is expressed by all kinds of /some/ (but not all) road/street users. But so is co-operation, courtesy and consideration. Those things just don't get noticed as much. Another, earlier subthread heretofore discusses pedestrians who get half-way across a street and stop, just to stop the car traffic, just because they can. On the other hand, I distinctly recall occasions when a friend of mine had knee surgery, was on crutches, and drivers aimed and accelerated at him because they thought he was taking too long crossing the -- not a street, but a back access alley. I guess the drivers thought he was being 'arrogant' for trying to get around while being gimped. As a non-driving, transportational cyclist, I've had lots of driver arrogance shoved in my face, when I didn't deserve it. Driver Arrogance is the most prevalent and pervasive kind of on-the-road arrogance, because drivers have all got at least 2 1/2 tons of aces, and good acceleration up their sleeves. I bet not many drivers have had as much crap hurled at them from, or have been passed-&-cut-off by cyclists, or have been threateningly, on-comingly aimed-at in their own lane, as the other way around. It actually could readily be said that private car drivers are the /most/ arrogant group of road users. People get too retalliatory -- even about things that haven't even happened yet, but they expect they will, and it ups their blood pressures. And then their reactions to their malperceived situations impinge on everyone else around. Y'know what I've found works? To regard every road user as somebody that needs to get home to their bathroom real fast. In other words, to consider that their urgencies might be greater than mine. That doesn't mean I'm going to submissively pull-over whenever an impatient driver behind me wants to get ahead of me without exerting a little effort to simply steer around me. I really hate it when people feel compelled to pretend I'm in the way (that's why I prefer not to work in construction or other labour-oriented jobs.) Sometimes I have to occupy an entire lane, to keep from getting clobbered by opening parked car doors to the right, or a stretch of the road is too narrow to share the whole lane, or sometimes to make a left turn. I guess some drivers see cyclists doing that, and prefer to believ we do it /all/ the time, and never consider the many times we let them by. Like, we really /want/ to get hit. Yeah, right. But I promise you, I'll let you by as soon as I can. We cyclists don't want any impatient, arrogant drivers breathing down our necks. But if they can't get past us soon enough for 'em -- tough titty. It's not about arrogance; it's about safety. People should be able to get home to their bathrooms or whatever, without killing anyone or being killed in their haste. Wouldn't it be nice if we /all/ regarded every other road user as somebody that need to get home to their bathroom real fast, no matter what mode of transportation they use? But I guess I'll get that same consideration from drivers as soon as a hog jumps out of my ass. Actually I guess I shouldn't say that, because I've had lots of good, friendly, smiling & waving interactions with drivers. Tell ya this much, though: I've got good news -- I just saved a bundle on car insurance, by not having to buy any. -- -- Powered by FreeBSD Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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06-17-2004, 09:30 PM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Scott in Aztlán <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes: > In rec.autos.driving, Tom Keats said: > >>> Too many >>> cyclists misuse the road knowingly and with malice. >> >>You're certainly fast on the draw when it comes to hyberbole. >> >>Malice is often more in the eye of the beholder than in >>the beholden. > > Actually, I disagree with the diagnosis of malice, at least in most cases. > Arrogance is much more likely to be the cause of most annoying pedalcyclist > behavior, IMHO. Arrogance is expressed by all kinds of /some/ (but not all) road/street users. But so is co-operation, courtesy and consideration. Those things just don't get noticed as much. Another, earlier subthread heretofore discusses pedestrians who get half-way across a street and stop, just to stop the car traffic, just because they can. On the other hand, I distinctly recall occasions when a friend of mine had knee surgery, was on crutches, and drivers aimed and accelerated at him because they thought he was taking too long crossing the -- not a street, but a back access alley. I guess the drivers thought he was being 'arrogant' for trying to get around while being gimped. As a non-driving, transportational cyclist, I've had lots of driver arrogance shoved in my face, when I didn't deserve it. Driver Arrogance is the most prevalent and pervasive kind of on-the-road arrogance, because drivers have all got at least 2 1/2 tons of aces, and good acceleration up their sleeves. I bet not many drivers have had as much crap hurled at them from, or have been passed-&-cut-off by cyclists, or have been threateningly, on-comingly aimed-at in their own lane, as the other way around. It actually could readily be said that private car drivers are the /most/ arrogant group of road users. People get too retalliatory -- even about things that haven't even happened yet, but they expect they will, and it ups their blood pressures. And then their reactions to their malperceived situations impinge on everyone else around. Y'know what I've found works? To regard every road user as somebody that needs to get home to their bathroom real fast. In other words, to consider that their urgencies might be greater than mine. That doesn't mean I'm going to submissively pull-over whenever an impatient driver behind me wants to get ahead of me without exerting a little effort to simply steer around me. I really hate it when people feel compelled to pretend I'm in the way (that's why I prefer not to work in construction or other labour-oriented jobs.) Sometimes I have to occupy an entire lane, to keep from getting clobbered by opening parked car doors to the right, or a stretch of the road is too narrow to share the whole lane, or sometimes to make a left turn. I guess some drivers see cyclists doing that, and prefer to believ we do it /all/ the time, and never consider the many times we let them by. Like, we really /want/ to get hit. Yeah, right. But I promise you, I'll let you by as soon as I can. We cyclists don't want any impatient, arrogant drivers breathing down our necks. But if they can't get past us soon enough for 'em -- tough titty. It's not about arrogance; it's about safety. People should be able to get home to their bathrooms or whatever, without killing anyone or being killed in their haste. Wouldn't it be nice if we /all/ regarded every other road user as somebody that need to get home to their bathroom real fast, no matter what mode of transportation they use? But I guess I'll get that same consideration from drivers as soon as a hog jumps out of my ass. Actually I guess I shouldn't say that, because I've had lots of good, friendly, smiling & waving interactions with drivers. Tell ya this much, though: I've got good news -- I just saved a bundle on car insurance, by not having to buy any. -- -- Powered by FreeBSD Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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