Schram at it again - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

08-08-2003, 06:31 AM

He's whingeing about bicyclists again:

Here's his column:
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Here's local bike commuter Doug Bosworth's reply:

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Still running red lights and stop signs, still driving drunk, still
scattering pedestrians in crosswalks; still cutting bicyclists off
with abrupt turns; still not paying attention to traffic and talking
on cell phones, ramming into stopped cars on the freeway at 80 MPH and
killing whole families; still ignoring traffic laws and common sense.

Yep, those damn car and SUV drivers are still out there.

But I don't think I've ever criticized these four-wheeled terrorists.

For the last twelve long months I kept hoping for at least one glimpse
of one cop giving one of these clowns a ticket, and the only one's
I've seen written are for violating the Diamond Lane. Oh, yes, that is
dangerous, isn't it.

It's a shame because there are enough gas pedal-pumpin', cell phone
usin' scofflaws out there who deserve tickets: for speeding; for
illegal turns; for not signaling; for blowing through red lights and
smashing into families.

It's not most motorists, but it's too many motorists.

Yep, they're still out there.

And I haven't given up hope of having the satisfaction of one day
seeing one cop pull one of them over to write them up for one of their
stupid, illegal antics.

All part of sharing the road don'tcha know.

Too bad there aren't more people getting out of their cars and walking
or riding their bikes. I haven't yet seen another person get injured
by another bicyclist. Two Hundred Fifty pounds of bike and rider, vs.
2500+ pounds of car and driver? I'll let you decide who the real
threat is.
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Warm Regards,

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08-08-2003, 07:25 AM

"Claire Petersky" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:1a88718b.0308080631.13957740@posting.google.c om...
> He's whingeing about bicyclists again:
>
> Here's his column:
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> Here's local bike commuter Doug Bosworth's reply:
>
> ---
> Still running red lights and stop signs, still driving drunk, still
> scattering pedestrians in crosswalks; still cutting bicyclists off
> with abrupt turns; still not paying attention to traffic and talking
> on cell phones, ramming into stopped cars on the freeway at 80 MPH and
> killing whole families; still ignoring traffic laws and common sense.
>
> Yep, those damn car and SUV drivers are still out there.
>
> But I don't think I've ever criticized these four-wheeled terrorists.
>
> For the last twelve long months I kept hoping for at least one glimpse
> of one cop giving one of these clowns a ticket, and the only one's
> I've seen written are for violating the Diamond Lane. Oh, yes, that is
> dangerous, isn't it.
>
> It's a shame because there are enough gas pedal-pumpin', cell phone
> usin' scofflaws out there who deserve tickets: for speeding; for
> illegal turns; for not signaling; for blowing through red lights and
> smashing into families.
>
> It's not most motorists, but it's too many motorists.
>
> Yep, they're still out there.
>
> And I haven't given up hope of having the satisfaction of one day
> seeing one cop pull one of them over to write them up for one of their
> stupid, illegal antics.
>
> All part of sharing the road don'tcha know.
>
> Too bad there aren't more people getting out of their cars and walking
> or riding their bikes. I haven't yet seen another person get injured
> by another bicyclist. Two Hundred Fifty pounds of bike and rider, vs.
> 2500+ pounds of car and driver? I'll let you decide who the real
> threat is.
> ---
>
> Warm Regards,
>
>

I believe that most municipalities could rake in the mint if they hired
enough extra cops just to write traffic tickets. Of course, after a few
years everything would settle down and we'd have thousands of extra cops
with nothing to do other than be Nazi's.

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Robin Hubert <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>

08-08-2003, 07:57 AM

On 8 Aug 2003 07:31:18 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Claire Petersky)
wrote:

>He's whingeing about bicyclists again:
>
>Here's his column:
>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>

What's wrong with enforcing laws for cyclists? As a cyclist, I'd
welcome it! I meet too many wrong-way cyclists and I see to many idot
POBs out there.

larry
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08-08-2003, 10:28 AM

Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:57:53 -0500,
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Larry Schuldt
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>
>What's wrong with enforcing laws for cyclists? As a cyclist, I'd
>welcome it! I meet too many wrong-way cyclists and I see to many idot
>POBs out there.

There's still no problem with "too many" persons riding bikes. That
they don't conform to your idealised notion of what makes a "cyclist"
is your problem. I say anyone riding a bike in a NA city is doing us
all a favour.

Sure, I'd favour ticketing every road user endangering the public but
it's not being done. Idiot drivers are getting away with murder while
this pork slurping scumwad takes up valuable air-time whining to
bobble heads about bicycles jumping curbs. It's sickening when
self-proclaimed so called "cyclists" agree with those views.
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zk

08-08-2003, 11:00 AM

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Claire Petersky) wrote in message news:<1a88718b.0308080631.13957740@posting.google. com>...
> He's whingeing about bicyclists again:
>
> Here's his column:
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> Here's local bike commuter Doug Bosworth's reply:
>
> ---
> Still running red lights and stop signs, still driving drunk, still
> ......

As a cyclist who puts in a few thousand commuting miles a year in a
big city, I have to say I agree with Schram's column. Cyclists who
behave like that are ignoring the law and endangering the safety of
others. The cops should crack down on them. The reply that you
posted completely ignored Schram's arguments to point out that some
motorists do the same. I agree with that also. The cops should crack
down on them as well.

08-08-2003, 05:28 PM

On 8 Aug 2003 12:00:55 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Thomas Reynolds)
wrote:

>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Claire Petersky) wrote in message news:<1a88718b.0308080631.13957740@posting.google. com>...
>> He's whingeing about bicyclists again:
>>
>> Here's his column:
>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>>
>> Here's local bike commuter Doug Bosworth's reply:
>>
>> ---
>> Still running red lights and stop signs, still driving drunk, still
>> ......
>
>As a cyclist who puts in a few thousand commuting miles a year in a
>big city, I have to say I agree with Schram's column.

I do too (apart from the idiotic "terrorists" comment). I kept waiting
for him to complain about cyclists riding outside of bike lanes and
riding in the center of the lane, at which point I would have written
him off as a selfish, pig-ignorant cretin, but he never did. All of
his complaints are perfectly reasonable.

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ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit
to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be
walking around."
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08-08-2003, 05:44 PM

Sat, 09 Aug 2003 01:28:40 GMT,
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Scott Munro
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>All of
>his complaints are perfectly reasonable.

While couched in language that would land his bosses in court if he
were berating any other visible minority. That scumwad is fostering
hatred with his assinine comments.
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zk

08-08-2003, 10:10 PM

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 01:47:18 -0400, "RecBike" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> from
24hoursupport.com wrote:

>Just curious, is there a newsgroup that features lots of talk about cycling
>topics such as equipment, accessories, technique, rides/routes, etc...?

rec.bicycles.marketplace
rec.bicycles.off-road
rec.bicycles.racing
rec.bicycles.rides
rec.bicycles.soc
rec.bicycles.tech

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08-08-2003, 10:14 PM

>Just curious, is there a newsgroup that features lots of talk about
>cycling topics such as equipment, accessories, technique, rides/routes,
>etc...? Every time I come back here to read/learn, it's heavy with
>political diatribes and the "motorists are evil/bikes should be societies
>only mode of transportation/I know best and expect the rest of society to
>adopt my view of the world and conform" crowd. It just makes me want to
>park the bike - sort of defeating my purpose for reading the group.

rec.bicycles.misc will cover most of your questions.

rec.bicycles.tech will more than cover technical questions.

rec.bicycles.soc is, well, rec.bicycles.soc.

If you want to wreck your bicycle, wreck it in the right place.

There are also rec.bicycles.rides and rec.bicycles.marketplace.

The whole point of splitting up these ngs was that there was too
much traffic for one ng, therefore the current hierarchy.

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08-08-2003, 10:39 PM

OK Zoot, also:

fr.rec.sport.cyclisme

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