Re: I was misled - Page 2

06-28-2004, 09:59 AM

Mark Hickey wrote:

> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] wrote:
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>
>>Mark Hickey <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
>>
>>
>>>FWIW, our church organized women volunteers to accompany any Muslim
>>>women on shopping or other public trips. It's sad that it was
>>>necessary... some of the nicest people I know happen to be Muslim,
>>>but that particular faith has its own share of idiots as well. I
>>>guess no group is immune.
>>
>>Don't you realize that "Some of them are my best friends." is a
>>classic racist expression. You must be able to phrase that in a way
>>that it doesn't come out as such a hackneyed metaphor, sounding as
>>though you are breaking your arm to pat yourself on the back. It
>>rings even odder coming from someone who is supporting such a right
>>wing president who himself bungles such phrases.
>
>
> Thanks for the English lesson, Jobst. Funny though how you "quote me"
> saying something I didn't even say. Now I understand why you think
> GWB said things he didn't say either.
>
> If it's your contention that saying "some of the nicest people I know
> happen to be Muslim" is a "hackneyed metaphor", I'd say you're WAY out
> of touch with reality. Way out of touch.
>

Some of the nicest people I know happen to be black.

Greg

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Destroy your safe and happy lives
Before it is too late
The battles we fought were long and hard
Just not to be consumed by rock'n'roll

06-28-2004, 01:55 PM

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:52:12 -0700, Mark Hickey <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> from
Habanero Cycles wrote:

>If it's your contention that saying "some of the nicest people I know
>happen to be Muslim" is a "hackneyed metaphor", I'd say you're WAY out
>of touch with reality. Way out of touch.

Here in the deep south, racism is still a daily issue. I often hear "Some of
the nicest people I know are black." However, the people saying that often
don't consider black people nice enough for their homes and churches. I hope
your attitude is different regarding Muslims, and, I think it is. You just
happened to use an unfortunate turn of phrase.

--
Kevan Smith
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06-28-2004, 01:55 PM

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:52:12 -0700, Mark Hickey <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> from
Habanero Cycles wrote:

>If it's your contention that saying "some of the nicest people I know
>happen to be Muslim" is a "hackneyed metaphor", I'd say you're WAY out
>of touch with reality. Way out of touch.

Here in the deep south, racism is still a daily issue. I often hear "Some of
the nicest people I know are black." However, the people saying that often
don't consider black people nice enough for their homes and churches. I hope
your attitude is different regarding Muslims, and, I think it is. You just
happened to use an unfortunate turn of phrase.

--
Kevan Smith
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-28-2004, 01:55 PM

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:52:12 -0700, Mark Hickey <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> from
Habanero Cycles wrote:

>If it's your contention that saying "some of the nicest people I know
>happen to be Muslim" is a "hackneyed metaphor", I'd say you're WAY out
>of touch with reality. Way out of touch.

Here in the deep south, racism is still a daily issue. I often hear "Some of
the nicest people I know are black." However, the people saying that often
don't consider black people nice enough for their homes and churches. I hope
your attitude is different regarding Muslims, and, I think it is. You just
happened to use an unfortunate turn of phrase.

--
Kevan Smith
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-28-2004, 01:55 PM

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:52:12 -0700, Mark Hickey <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> from
Habanero Cycles wrote:

>If it's your contention that saying "some of the nicest people I know
>happen to be Muslim" is a "hackneyed metaphor", I'd say you're WAY out
>of touch with reality. Way out of touch.

Here in the deep south, racism is still a daily issue. I often hear "Some of
the nicest people I know are black." However, the people saying that often
don't consider black people nice enough for their homes and churches. I hope
your attitude is different regarding Muslims, and, I think it is. You just
happened to use an unfortunate turn of phrase.

--
Kevan Smith
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-28-2004, 01:55 PM

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:52:12 -0700, Mark Hickey <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> from
Habanero Cycles wrote:

>If it's your contention that saying "some of the nicest people I know
>happen to be Muslim" is a "hackneyed metaphor", I'd say you're WAY out
>of touch with reality. Way out of touch.

Here in the deep south, racism is still a daily issue. I often hear "Some of
the nicest people I know are black." However, the people saying that often
don't consider black people nice enough for their homes and churches. I hope
your attitude is different regarding Muslims, and, I think it is. You just
happened to use an unfortunate turn of phrase.

--
Kevan Smith
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-28-2004, 08:38 PM

Kevan Smith <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:52:12 -0700, Mark Hickey <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> from
>Habanero Cycles wrote:
>
>>If it's your contention that saying "some of the nicest people I know
>>happen to be Muslim" is a "hackneyed metaphor", I'd say you're WAY out
>>of touch with reality. Way out of touch.
>
>Here in the deep south, racism is still a daily issue. I often hear "Some of
>the nicest people I know are black." However, the people saying that often
>don't consider black people nice enough for their homes and churches. I hope
>your attitude is different regarding Muslims, and, I think it is. You just
>happened to use an unfortunate turn of phrase.

I guess I'm living in a (partially) hopelessly PC world. I personally
wouldn't feel offended if someone included some group I was in in a
similar statement...

.... some of the nicest people I know happen to be bicyclists

.... some of the nicest people I know happen to be white males

.... some of the nicest people I know happen to be Christians

.... some of the nicest people I know happen to be tall, incredibly
intelligent and good looking suave fellows.

Errr, three out of four...

But whatever - I've always been for equal treatment for everyone.
That made me a liberal 30 years ago, and a conservative now.

I've hired LOTS of people over the years (not in the bike biz), and I
can say that if there was a group seriously under-represented, it
would be white males. Not because I tried to hire minorities and
women - I just had good applicants who happened to be Muslims, blacks,
women, (and of course, Chinese... but in China that wasn't worth any
extra points). Ooops, did I cross another PC boundary? ;-)

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
Home of the $695 ti frame

06-28-2004, 08:38 PM

Kevan Smith <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:52:12 -0700, Mark Hickey <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> from
>Habanero Cycles wrote:
>
>>If it's your contention that saying "some of the nicest people I know
>>happen to be Muslim" is a "hackneyed metaphor", I'd say you're WAY out
>>of touch with reality. Way out of touch.
>
>Here in the deep south, racism is still a daily issue. I often hear "Some of
>the nicest people I know are black." However, the people saying that often
>don't consider black people nice enough for their homes and churches. I hope
>your attitude is different regarding Muslims, and, I think it is. You just
>happened to use an unfortunate turn of phrase.

I guess I'm living in a (partially) hopelessly PC world. I personally
wouldn't feel offended if someone included some group I was in in a
similar statement...

.... some of the nicest people I know happen to be bicyclists

.... some of the nicest people I know happen to be white males

.... some of the nicest people I know happen to be Christians

.... some of the nicest people I know happen to be tall, incredibly
intelligent and good looking suave fellows.

Errr, three out of four...

But whatever - I've always been for equal treatment for everyone.
That made me a liberal 30 years ago, and a conservative now.

I've hired LOTS of people over the years (not in the bike biz), and I
can say that if there was a group seriously under-represented, it
would be white males. Not because I tried to hire minorities and
women - I just had good applicants who happened to be Muslims, blacks,
women, (and of course, Chinese... but in China that wasn't worth any
extra points). Ooops, did I cross another PC boundary? ;-)

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
Home of the $695 ti frame

06-28-2004, 08:38 PM

Kevan Smith <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:52:12 -0700, Mark Hickey <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> from
>Habanero Cycles wrote:
>
>>If it's your contention that saying "some of the nicest people I know
>>happen to be Muslim" is a "hackneyed metaphor", I'd say you're WAY out
>>of touch with reality. Way out of touch.
>
>Here in the deep south, racism is still a daily issue. I often hear "Some of
>the nicest people I know are black." However, the people saying that often
>don't consider black people nice enough for their homes and churches. I hope
>your attitude is different regarding Muslims, and, I think it is. You just
>happened to use an unfortunate turn of phrase.

I guess I'm living in a (partially) hopelessly PC world. I personally
wouldn't feel offended if someone included some group I was in in a
similar statement...

.... some of the nicest people I know happen to be bicyclists

.... some of the nicest people I know happen to be white males

.... some of the nicest people I know happen to be Christians

.... some of the nicest people I know happen to be tall, incredibly
intelligent and good looking suave fellows.

Errr, three out of four...

But whatever - I've always been for equal treatment for everyone.
That made me a liberal 30 years ago, and a conservative now.

I've hired LOTS of people over the years (not in the bike biz), and I
can say that if there was a group seriously under-represented, it
would be white males. Not because I tried to hire minorities and
women - I just had good applicants who happened to be Muslims, blacks,
women, (and of course, Chinese... but in China that wasn't worth any
extra points). Ooops, did I cross another PC boundary? ;-)

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
Home of the $695 ti frame

06-28-2004, 08:38 PM

Kevan Smith <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:52:12 -0700, Mark Hickey <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> from
>Habanero Cycles wrote:
>
>>If it's your contention that saying "some of the nicest people I know
>>happen to be Muslim" is a "hackneyed metaphor", I'd say you're WAY out
>>of touch with reality. Way out of touch.
>
>Here in the deep south, racism is still a daily issue. I often hear "Some of
>the nicest people I know are black." However, the people saying that often
>don't consider black people nice enough for their homes and churches. I hope
>your attitude is different regarding Muslims, and, I think it is. You just
>happened to use an unfortunate turn of phrase.

I guess I'm living in a (partially) hopelessly PC world. I personally
wouldn't feel offended if someone included some group I was in in a
similar statement...

.... some of the nicest people I know happen to be bicyclists

.... some of the nicest people I know happen to be white males

.... some of the nicest people I know happen to be Christians

.... some of the nicest people I know happen to be tall, incredibly
intelligent and good looking suave fellows.

Errr, three out of four...

But whatever - I've always been for equal treatment for everyone.
That made me a liberal 30 years ago, and a conservative now.

I've hired LOTS of people over the years (not in the bike biz), and I
can say that if there was a group seriously under-represented, it
would be white males. Not because I tried to hire minorities and
women - I just had good applicants who happened to be Muslims, blacks,
women, (and of course, Chinese... but in China that wasn't worth any
extra points). Ooops, did I cross another PC boundary? ;-)

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
Home of the $695 ti frame