Advice on "Comfort Bikes" (Gary Fisher Capitola vs. Giant Sedona) - Page 2

07-17-2004, 06:16 AM

Dave,
Anyone who is shopping for the best $300 bicycle is a fool. These
are the people you see riding on the sidewalk with their back in a
vertical position, the seat 3" too low, spinning the crank very slow in
a high gear, and the (optional) helmet tilted back like a yamica.
They are clueless as to what a bicycle is for, so they follow the
model of bicycle riding as a child: very short trips on the sidewalk.
They fool themselves that they are getting "exercise" on the bicycle.
The reality is that they barely get their heart rate up high enough, for
long enough minutes, on the short slow sidewalk or bike path rides.
A bicycle uses 1/3 the calories as traveling on foot for the same
distance. These lazy people need to be walking around the block or to
the corner store, not saving effort by riding some overweight tank of a
bicycle.
Having said that the "hybrid" or "comfort" SHOPPER is looking to
AVOID getting a sweat, the best $300 bicycle is like having a beauty
contest for women who must be at least 30% overweight. These are tanks
because: (1) the shoppers are cheapskates who don't want to spent money
or calories, and (2) they ride on the sidewalk and bash the bicycles
into curbs.
Furthermore, the SERVICE CONTRACT you get from a bicycle shop is as
important as the bicycle itself.
Last year I took the owner of a new $350 Trek hybrid on a 38 mile
bike club ride. She rode instead a Schwinn Le Tour road bike that I
bought in a garage sale for $100 and was much lighter. Afterwards we
went to several quality bicycle shops. We found a Specialized road bike
in the back of one bike shop. It was her exact size. The same frame with
better parts (and this year's model) was also there for $1800 sale
price, but this one was two years old and had more economy level parts,
but this was clearly a "racing" road bike suitable for 100 mile rides.
It was on sale for $535 and came with a 3 year service contract.
The vast majority of adults shopping for cheap bicycles to ride on
the sidewalk would be better off getting on a power walking or slow
jogging program.
Cheers,
Bruce Freeburger

Dave DesRoches wrote:
> Looking at comfort bikes and my local bike shops carry these models in the
> $300 range.
>
> Thoughts/comments appreciated...
>
> Thx in advance,
> -Dave
>
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07-17-2004, 07:21 AM

"Bruce Freeburger" Bruce Freeburger top-posted:

> Dave,
> Anyone who is shopping for the best $300 bicycle is a fool.

{similar friendly advice and OP's question snipped}

Comments like that keep people from trying cycling and contribute to a
certain "elitist" image that doesn't serve the sport well.

Bill "See? I can make opinion sound like fact, too" S.

07-17-2004, 07:21 AM

"Bruce Freeburger" Bruce Freeburger top-posted:

> Dave,
> Anyone who is shopping for the best $300 bicycle is a fool.

{similar friendly advice and OP's question snipped}

Comments like that keep people from trying cycling and contribute to a
certain "elitist" image that doesn't serve the sport well.

Bill "See? I can make opinion sound like fact, too" S.

07-17-2004, 07:21 AM

"Bruce Freeburger" Bruce Freeburger top-posted:

> Dave,
> Anyone who is shopping for the best $300 bicycle is a fool.

{similar friendly advice and OP's question snipped}

Comments like that keep people from trying cycling and contribute to a
certain "elitist" image that doesn't serve the sport well.

Bill "See? I can make opinion sound like fact, too" S.

07-17-2004, 07:21 AM

"Bruce Freeburger" Bruce Freeburger top-posted:

> Dave,
> Anyone who is shopping for the best $300 bicycle is a fool.

{similar friendly advice and OP's question snipped}

Comments like that keep people from trying cycling and contribute to a
certain "elitist" image that doesn't serve the sport well.

Bill "See? I can make opinion sound like fact, too" S.

07-17-2004, 07:21 AM

"Bruce Freeburger" Bruce Freeburger top-posted:

> Dave,
> Anyone who is shopping for the best $300 bicycle is a fool.

{similar friendly advice and OP's question snipped}

Comments like that keep people from trying cycling and contribute to a
certain "elitist" image that doesn't serve the sport well.

Bill "See? I can make opinion sound like fact, too" S.

07-17-2004, 07:32 AM

>Anyone who is shopping for the best $300 bicycle is a fool.

What a nice, friendly, helpful and constructive comment....

My 'winter' bike cost £120.... About $80... It's a cheap dual-suspension
machine of the type commonly found in supermarkets. Apart from adding a
rack, mudguards, lights and changing the bottom bracket for a real one it's
unaltered... The pedals started to squeak last year and got replaced....

I live at the foot of the Pentland hills near Edinburgh and five days a week
through a harsh Scottish winter that bike is used on my regular 8-mile
climb\descend maintenance run... I've quite deliberately loaded the bike
with weight to keep the energy expenditure up as I don't have the time or
inclination to ride further in what can be rather difficult weather
conditions.... I expected it to last me ONE winter...

It'll be three years old next week, I just checked the trip computer and
it's covered 3482 miles and hasn't been off the road since last August as
the weather here has been atrocious this summer..... It's absolutely fine!
This is particularly surprising as, being just a winter hack, it only gets
attention when it complains! I know many people who have owned very cheap
supermarket\catalogue bikes for years and commute regularly on them... An
alarming thought for those who feel the need to impose their particular 'you
must have or you're damned' creed upon others.......

Whether the proposal is to spend £30 or £3000 on a bicycle for whatever
purpose it's reasonable to want to spend that money as well as it can be
spent.

> The vast majority of adults shopping for cheap bicycles to ride on
> the sidewalk would be better off getting on a power walking or slow
> jogging program.

Surprised to learn that riding on the pavement is legal in the US!
Personally I'd never discourage anyone from any form of cycling as I feel
it's a great way to get and stay reasonably fit, whatever your level. Even
if you only ride a 1/2 miles to the shops and back to get your paper in the
morning it's far better for you and those about you than jumping into the
car to make the same journey.... AS many folk do!

$300, ..around £180 isn't a great deal of money to buy a decent bike though
I suspect you'll get better value in the U.S. than we would in the UK.
Oddly enough I'm going to echo what our somewhat unfreindly colleague said
and suggest that either you up the budget or consider a good second-hand
machine with a decent guarantee.

At that price point it's possible that the only real difference between the
machines is the colour of paint and the stickers. The real weak spot in most
very cheap bikes is the bottom bracket. Often these are no more than some
cheap arrangement of ball bearings; look for a bike with a cartridge
type.... Next is the overall running gear. Again you'll probably find a
chap nameless chainsets; some are ok, some need to be avoided. Shimano seem
to make good economy running gear and if you can make sure everything's so
branded you stand a better chance of avoiding trouble....

Personally I've never set much store by these consumer reports. Occasionally
they'll spring something really problematic but you really need to make your
own judgement.

07-17-2004, 07:32 AM

>Anyone who is shopping for the best $300 bicycle is a fool.

What a nice, friendly, helpful and constructive comment....

My 'winter' bike cost £120.... About $80... It's a cheap dual-suspension
machine of the type commonly found in supermarkets. Apart from adding a
rack, mudguards, lights and changing the bottom bracket for a real one it's
unaltered... The pedals started to squeak last year and got replaced....

I live at the foot of the Pentland hills near Edinburgh and five days a week
through a harsh Scottish winter that bike is used on my regular 8-mile
climb\descend maintenance run... I've quite deliberately loaded the bike
with weight to keep the energy expenditure up as I don't have the time or
inclination to ride further in what can be rather difficult weather
conditions.... I expected it to last me ONE winter...

It'll be three years old next week, I just checked the trip computer and
it's covered 3482 miles and hasn't been off the road since last August as
the weather here has been atrocious this summer..... It's absolutely fine!
This is particularly surprising as, being just a winter hack, it only gets
attention when it complains! I know many people who have owned very cheap
supermarket\catalogue bikes for years and commute regularly on them... An
alarming thought for those who feel the need to impose their particular 'you
must have or you're damned' creed upon others.......

Whether the proposal is to spend £30 or £3000 on a bicycle for whatever
purpose it's reasonable to want to spend that money as well as it can be
spent.

> The vast majority of adults shopping for cheap bicycles to ride on
> the sidewalk would be better off getting on a power walking or slow
> jogging program.

Surprised to learn that riding on the pavement is legal in the US!
Personally I'd never discourage anyone from any form of cycling as I feel
it's a great way to get and stay reasonably fit, whatever your level. Even
if you only ride a 1/2 miles to the shops and back to get your paper in the
morning it's far better for you and those about you than jumping into the
car to make the same journey.... AS many folk do!

$300, ..around £180 isn't a great deal of money to buy a decent bike though
I suspect you'll get better value in the U.S. than we would in the UK.
Oddly enough I'm going to echo what our somewhat unfreindly colleague said
and suggest that either you up the budget or consider a good second-hand
machine with a decent guarantee.

At that price point it's possible that the only real difference between the
machines is the colour of paint and the stickers. The real weak spot in most
very cheap bikes is the bottom bracket. Often these are no more than some
cheap arrangement of ball bearings; look for a bike with a cartridge
type.... Next is the overall running gear. Again you'll probably find a
chap nameless chainsets; some are ok, some need to be avoided. Shimano seem
to make good economy running gear and if you can make sure everything's so
branded you stand a better chance of avoiding trouble....

Personally I've never set much store by these consumer reports. Occasionally
they'll spring something really problematic but you really need to make your
own judgement.

07-17-2004, 07:32 AM

>Anyone who is shopping for the best $300 bicycle is a fool.

What a nice, friendly, helpful and constructive comment....

My 'winter' bike cost £120.... About $80... It's a cheap dual-suspension
machine of the type commonly found in supermarkets. Apart from adding a
rack, mudguards, lights and changing the bottom bracket for a real one it's
unaltered... The pedals started to squeak last year and got replaced....

I live at the foot of the Pentland hills near Edinburgh and five days a week
through a harsh Scottish winter that bike is used on my regular 8-mile
climb\descend maintenance run... I've quite deliberately loaded the bike
with weight to keep the energy expenditure up as I don't have the time or
inclination to ride further in what can be rather difficult weather
conditions.... I expected it to last me ONE winter...

It'll be three years old next week, I just checked the trip computer and
it's covered 3482 miles and hasn't been off the road since last August as
the weather here has been atrocious this summer..... It's absolutely fine!
This is particularly surprising as, being just a winter hack, it only gets
attention when it complains! I know many people who have owned very cheap
supermarket\catalogue bikes for years and commute regularly on them... An
alarming thought for those who feel the need to impose their particular 'you
must have or you're damned' creed upon others.......

Whether the proposal is to spend £30 or £3000 on a bicycle for whatever
purpose it's reasonable to want to spend that money as well as it can be
spent.

> The vast majority of adults shopping for cheap bicycles to ride on
> the sidewalk would be better off getting on a power walking or slow
> jogging program.

Surprised to learn that riding on the pavement is legal in the US!
Personally I'd never discourage anyone from any form of cycling as I feel
it's a great way to get and stay reasonably fit, whatever your level. Even
if you only ride a 1/2 miles to the shops and back to get your paper in the
morning it's far better for you and those about you than jumping into the
car to make the same journey.... AS many folk do!

$300, ..around £180 isn't a great deal of money to buy a decent bike though
I suspect you'll get better value in the U.S. than we would in the UK.
Oddly enough I'm going to echo what our somewhat unfreindly colleague said
and suggest that either you up the budget or consider a good second-hand
machine with a decent guarantee.

At that price point it's possible that the only real difference between the
machines is the colour of paint and the stickers. The real weak spot in most
very cheap bikes is the bottom bracket. Often these are no more than some
cheap arrangement of ball bearings; look for a bike with a cartridge
type.... Next is the overall running gear. Again you'll probably find a
chap nameless chainsets; some are ok, some need to be avoided. Shimano seem
to make good economy running gear and if you can make sure everything's so
branded you stand a better chance of avoiding trouble....

Personally I've never set much store by these consumer reports. Occasionally
they'll spring something really problematic but you really need to make your
own judgement.

07-17-2004, 07:32 AM

>Anyone who is shopping for the best $300 bicycle is a fool.

What a nice, friendly, helpful and constructive comment....

My 'winter' bike cost £120.... About $80... It's a cheap dual-suspension
machine of the type commonly found in supermarkets. Apart from adding a
rack, mudguards, lights and changing the bottom bracket for a real one it's
unaltered... The pedals started to squeak last year and got replaced....

I live at the foot of the Pentland hills near Edinburgh and five days a week
through a harsh Scottish winter that bike is used on my regular 8-mile
climb\descend maintenance run... I've quite deliberately loaded the bike
with weight to keep the energy expenditure up as I don't have the time or
inclination to ride further in what can be rather difficult weather
conditions.... I expected it to last me ONE winter...

It'll be three years old next week, I just checked the trip computer and
it's covered 3482 miles and hasn't been off the road since last August as
the weather here has been atrocious this summer..... It's absolutely fine!
This is particularly surprising as, being just a winter hack, it only gets
attention when it complains! I know many people who have owned very cheap
supermarket\catalogue bikes for years and commute regularly on them... An
alarming thought for those who feel the need to impose their particular 'you
must have or you're damned' creed upon others.......

Whether the proposal is to spend £30 or £3000 on a bicycle for whatever
purpose it's reasonable to want to spend that money as well as it can be
spent.

> The vast majority of adults shopping for cheap bicycles to ride on
> the sidewalk would be better off getting on a power walking or slow
> jogging program.

Surprised to learn that riding on the pavement is legal in the US!
Personally I'd never discourage anyone from any form of cycling as I feel
it's a great way to get and stay reasonably fit, whatever your level. Even
if you only ride a 1/2 miles to the shops and back to get your paper in the
morning it's far better for you and those about you than jumping into the
car to make the same journey.... AS many folk do!

$300, ..around £180 isn't a great deal of money to buy a decent bike though
I suspect you'll get better value in the U.S. than we would in the UK.
Oddly enough I'm going to echo what our somewhat unfreindly colleague said
and suggest that either you up the budget or consider a good second-hand
machine with a decent guarantee.

At that price point it's possible that the only real difference between the
machines is the colour of paint and the stickers. The real weak spot in most
very cheap bikes is the bottom bracket. Often these are no more than some
cheap arrangement of ball bearings; look for a bike with a cartridge
type.... Next is the overall running gear. Again you'll probably find a
chap nameless chainsets; some are ok, some need to be avoided. Shimano seem
to make good economy running gear and if you can make sure everything's so
branded you stand a better chance of avoiding trouble....

Personally I've never set much store by these consumer reports. Occasionally
they'll spring something really problematic but you really need to make your
own judgement.