Why Cop not citing bikers who does not obey the code? - Page 13 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

08-06-2004, 01:23 AM

Red Cloud wrote:
> it's a small license plate with number on it. Sure it's not a paper
> sticker OK.

It's not a plate at all. Maybe you need to use a dictionary.
A little sticker is not a plate. A plate is a larger and more
rigid thing than the stickers they use for bike licenses.

> Hope you are right but you are wrong. The minimum fine of the bicyle
> code violating is like a minor violation of automobile code.
> It's over $100 usually.

No. It really isn't. Go read the vehicle code section about the
rules for licensing. The fine for not having a license is limited
to $10. Really. You need to read more.

>>Second, cyclists 18 and over are not required to wear a helmet.
>
> Still I'm bit more right than wrong that California does enforce the helmet
> law for sure.

Most people are 18 or over. Children are a minority. Children
under about 3-4 rarely ride bikes so we're only talking about
maybe 4-17 year olds. You're more wrong than right. Most people
in California don't have to wear a helmet to ride a bike.

>>Third, there are no bicycle license plates issued by the government.
>
> The license plate is issued by the city not State.

It's not a plate. It's a sticker/decal. Use a dictionary.

>>Fourth, you are not allowed have headphones on both ears. You
>>can have a single ear plug in one ear. There is no mention of music.
>>This applies to both bicycles and motor vehicles.
>
> That's what I've said that don't repeat what I said.

That's not what you said. You said "No music allow". Music is
allowed either with a regular speaker or with a single ear plug.

> The $150 fine is average fine in most CA cities.

References? You're talking out of your ass. Besides, average
would imply that some fines are lower and some are higher. You
claimed $150 for any violation. You are intelligence impaired.

> I think it's depend on which police giving the fine or infractions.

No. It depends upon the laws of the area in question.

> But still you have to admit that America has this bike code.

Again, the C.V.C. only applies to California. There is no national
bike code. Some of the laws you describe even relate only to cities
yet you stupidly generalize it to the whole country. Many states
do not have helmet laws for bicycles. Many have no law regarding
headphones. I'm sure many have no bicycle licensing. I suspect
most probably require a light at night though.

> Think
> about you see the over billion bikers out there in Europe, Asia, India,
> they mostly do not enforce any bicycle code. Just look at an Italian street,
> so many bikers as if every Italians own the bike. How could they enforce
> the bike code when so many people are on the bike?

I saw an article the other day where Mario Cippolini got a ticket for
riding on a roadway in Italy where bikes were not permitted. They
don't just ticket random citizens on bikes. They ticketed one of the
biggest stars in Italian cycling -- in Italy. Each country and indeed
regions/cities within those countries have their own laws regarding
the use of the roadways by pretty much everyone. Enforcement varies
and you cannot make generalizations like that.

In Germany, you are required to have a bell on your bicycle. You are
also required to not only have a headlight but also a tail light at
night (California only requires a reflector on the back). It's my
understanding that Germany enforces all of its traffic laws pretty
strictly.

08-06-2004, 02:19 PM

Use the REAL vehicle code, not some third party version:
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

BTW I'm not even reading it, since any variance of the law in their site is
not legal, the link above is. Again note the absence of section 2700.

Really, you should correct your rant, your errors discredit any point your
trying to make.

"Red Cloud" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].uk> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] m...
> "GaryG" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>...
> > "Stephen Foley" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > news:1091560166.329886@sj-nntpcache-5...
> > > I can't seem to find a section "2700" of the vehicle code.
> > > Here are the two sections where a 2700 would have been:
> > > CHAPTER 3. THE RECIPROCITY COMMISSION
> > > Article 1. Administration .....................................
> > > 2600-2603
> > > Article 2. Powers and Duties ..................................
> > > 2650-2651
> > > CHAPTER 4. ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT
> > > Article 1. Lawful Orders and Inspections ......................
> > > 2800-2818
> > >
> > >
> > > In the US, you do not have to hanve any kind of bike registration,
unless
> > > the locality specifies, which many do not, since it would cost more
than
> > > it's worth.
> > >
> > > Now helmets are not required for those over 18 years of age, it is
merely
> > > optional, and reccomended. Anyone under 18 IS required to wear a
helmet.
> > >
> > > Headlights are mandatory, but only at nighttime, and the standard is
if it
> > > is visible by motorists for at least 300 feet to the front and sides
(90
> > > degrees), which even a light so dim you cant see it form behind can
do.
> > > This is the one that annoys me....folks that have very nice bikes, who
> > ride
> > > them at night without a light...given some in this country can barely
> > afford
> > > to eat and ride a barely useable bike to get to work...so they cant
afford
> > > lights....but those who have expensive roadbikes have no excuse on not
> > > having lights.
> > >
> > > US cops just don't give cyclists that hard a time because they have
more
> > > important things to do...like deal with a drug dealer, or maybe an
> > assault,
> > > or something else. Homeless are generally not too bad, but some do
steal,
> > > and some even are violent...and the police have to deal with that as
well.
> > > Violence in this country is extremely high, so they have more to deal
with
> > > than some idiot who's not using a headlight at night.
> > >
> > > Now cars without headlights are apples to oranges...cars move faster,
and
> > > take more distance per unit of speed to stop.
> > >
> > > Plus mountain paths are not us sancitoned roadways, therefore vehicle
code
> > > does not apply. Think of a mountain trail as you woulde a racetrack.
You
> > > dont need a license plate to race a car.
> > >
> > > And 99% is a bit off, it's less than that.
> > >
> > > Really, learn about how the law works here...even for the light, he
would
> > > get a "fix-it ticket" or an "infraction", neither of which leads to
jail
> > > time, unless he ignores the ticket altogether. Fix-it tickets are no
fine
> > > tickets, and are the first ones issued. So really they would lose
money
> > by
> > > doing this.
> >
> > Save your breath..."Red Cloud" is a well-known troll. His posts are
always
> > like this...long, poorly written, and filled with factual inaccuracies.
I
> > think he gets off on how much time other folks waste in researching
their
> > responses to his nonsense.
> >
>
> Have you ever read CA Vehicle Code dumbass?
> Are you too lazy to find out?
> If you are here is the site
>
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

08-06-2004, 02:19 PM

Use the REAL vehicle code, not some third party version:
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

BTW I'm not even reading it, since any variance of the law in their site is
not legal, the link above is. Again note the absence of section 2700.

Really, you should correct your rant, your errors discredit any point your
trying to make.

"Red Cloud" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].uk> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] m...
> "GaryG" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>...
> > "Stephen Foley" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > news:1091560166.329886@sj-nntpcache-5...
> > > I can't seem to find a section "2700" of the vehicle code.
> > > Here are the two sections where a 2700 would have been:
> > > CHAPTER 3. THE RECIPROCITY COMMISSION
> > > Article 1. Administration .....................................
> > > 2600-2603
> > > Article 2. Powers and Duties ..................................
> > > 2650-2651
> > > CHAPTER 4. ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT
> > > Article 1. Lawful Orders and Inspections ......................
> > > 2800-2818
> > >
> > >
> > > In the US, you do not have to hanve any kind of bike registration,
unless
> > > the locality specifies, which many do not, since it would cost more
than
> > > it's worth.
> > >
> > > Now helmets are not required for those over 18 years of age, it is
merely
> > > optional, and reccomended. Anyone under 18 IS required to wear a
helmet.
> > >
> > > Headlights are mandatory, but only at nighttime, and the standard is
if it
> > > is visible by motorists for at least 300 feet to the front and sides
(90
> > > degrees), which even a light so dim you cant see it form behind can
do.
> > > This is the one that annoys me....folks that have very nice bikes, who
> > ride
> > > them at night without a light...given some in this country can barely
> > afford
> > > to eat and ride a barely useable bike to get to work...so they cant
afford
> > > lights....but those who have expensive roadbikes have no excuse on not
> > > having lights.
> > >
> > > US cops just don't give cyclists that hard a time because they have
more
> > > important things to do...like deal with a drug dealer, or maybe an
> > assault,
> > > or something else. Homeless are generally not too bad, but some do
steal,
> > > and some even are violent...and the police have to deal with that as
well.
> > > Violence in this country is extremely high, so they have more to deal
with
> > > than some idiot who's not using a headlight at night.
> > >
> > > Now cars without headlights are apples to oranges...cars move faster,
and
> > > take more distance per unit of speed to stop.
> > >
> > > Plus mountain paths are not us sancitoned roadways, therefore vehicle
code
> > > does not apply. Think of a mountain trail as you woulde a racetrack.
You
> > > dont need a license plate to race a car.
> > >
> > > And 99% is a bit off, it's less than that.
> > >
> > > Really, learn about how the law works here...even for the light, he
would
> > > get a "fix-it ticket" or an "infraction", neither of which leads to
jail
> > > time, unless he ignores the ticket altogether. Fix-it tickets are no
fine
> > > tickets, and are the first ones issued. So really they would lose
money
> > by
> > > doing this.
> >
> > Save your breath..."Red Cloud" is a well-known troll. His posts are
always
> > like this...long, poorly written, and filled with factual inaccuracies.
I
> > think he gets off on how much time other folks waste in researching
their
> > responses to his nonsense.
> >
>
> Have you ever read CA Vehicle Code dumbass?
> Are you too lazy to find out?
> If you are here is the site
>
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

08-06-2004, 02:19 PM

Use the REAL vehicle code, not some third party version:
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

BTW I'm not even reading it, since any variance of the law in their site is
not legal, the link above is. Again note the absence of section 2700.

Really, you should correct your rant, your errors discredit any point your
trying to make.

"Red Cloud" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].uk> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] m...
> "GaryG" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>...
> > "Stephen Foley" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > news:1091560166.329886@sj-nntpcache-5...
> > > I can't seem to find a section "2700" of the vehicle code.
> > > Here are the two sections where a 2700 would have been:
> > > CHAPTER 3. THE RECIPROCITY COMMISSION
> > > Article 1. Administration .....................................
> > > 2600-2603
> > > Article 2. Powers and Duties ..................................
> > > 2650-2651
> > > CHAPTER 4. ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT
> > > Article 1. Lawful Orders and Inspections ......................
> > > 2800-2818
> > >
> > >
> > > In the US, you do not have to hanve any kind of bike registration,
unless
> > > the locality specifies, which many do not, since it would cost more
than
> > > it's worth.
> > >
> > > Now helmets are not required for those over 18 years of age, it is
merely
> > > optional, and reccomended. Anyone under 18 IS required to wear a
helmet.
> > >
> > > Headlights are mandatory, but only at nighttime, and the standard is
if it
> > > is visible by motorists for at least 300 feet to the front and sides
(90
> > > degrees), which even a light so dim you cant see it form behind can
do.
> > > This is the one that annoys me....folks that have very nice bikes, who
> > ride
> > > them at night without a light...given some in this country can barely
> > afford
> > > to eat and ride a barely useable bike to get to work...so they cant
afford
> > > lights....but those who have expensive roadbikes have no excuse on not
> > > having lights.
> > >
> > > US cops just don't give cyclists that hard a time because they have
more
> > > important things to do...like deal with a drug dealer, or maybe an
> > assault,
> > > or something else. Homeless are generally not too bad, but some do
steal,
> > > and some even are violent...and the police have to deal with that as
well.
> > > Violence in this country is extremely high, so they have more to deal
with
> > > than some idiot who's not using a headlight at night.
> > >
> > > Now cars without headlights are apples to oranges...cars move faster,
and
> > > take more distance per unit of speed to stop.
> > >
> > > Plus mountain paths are not us sancitoned roadways, therefore vehicle
code
> > > does not apply. Think of a mountain trail as you woulde a racetrack.
You
> > > dont need a license plate to race a car.
> > >
> > > And 99% is a bit off, it's less than that.
> > >
> > > Really, learn about how the law works here...even for the light, he
would
> > > get a "fix-it ticket" or an "infraction", neither of which leads to
jail
> > > time, unless he ignores the ticket altogether. Fix-it tickets are no
fine
> > > tickets, and are the first ones issued. So really they would lose
money
> > by
> > > doing this.
> >
> > Save your breath..."Red Cloud" is a well-known troll. His posts are
always
> > like this...long, poorly written, and filled with factual inaccuracies.
I
> > think he gets off on how much time other folks waste in researching
their
> > responses to his nonsense.
> >
>
> Have you ever read CA Vehicle Code dumbass?
> Are you too lazy to find out?
> If you are here is the site
>
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

08-06-2004, 02:19 PM

Use the REAL vehicle code, not some third party version:
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

BTW I'm not even reading it, since any variance of the law in their site is
not legal, the link above is. Again note the absence of section 2700.

Really, you should correct your rant, your errors discredit any point your
trying to make.

"Red Cloud" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].uk> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] m...
> "GaryG" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>...
> > "Stephen Foley" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > news:1091560166.329886@sj-nntpcache-5...
> > > I can't seem to find a section "2700" of the vehicle code.
> > > Here are the two sections where a 2700 would have been:
> > > CHAPTER 3. THE RECIPROCITY COMMISSION
> > > Article 1. Administration .....................................
> > > 2600-2603
> > > Article 2. Powers and Duties ..................................
> > > 2650-2651
> > > CHAPTER 4. ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT
> > > Article 1. Lawful Orders and Inspections ......................
> > > 2800-2818
> > >
> > >
> > > In the US, you do not have to hanve any kind of bike registration,
unless
> > > the locality specifies, which many do not, since it would cost more
than
> > > it's worth.
> > >
> > > Now helmets are not required for those over 18 years of age, it is
merely
> > > optional, and reccomended. Anyone under 18 IS required to wear a
helmet.
> > >
> > > Headlights are mandatory, but only at nighttime, and the standard is
if it
> > > is visible by motorists for at least 300 feet to the front and sides
(90
> > > degrees), which even a light so dim you cant see it form behind can
do.
> > > This is the one that annoys me....folks that have very nice bikes, who
> > ride
> > > them at night without a light...given some in this country can barely
> > afford
> > > to eat and ride a barely useable bike to get to work...so they cant
afford
> > > lights....but those who have expensive roadbikes have no excuse on not
> > > having lights.
> > >
> > > US cops just don't give cyclists that hard a time because they have
more
> > > important things to do...like deal with a drug dealer, or maybe an
> > assault,
> > > or something else. Homeless are generally not too bad, but some do
steal,
> > > and some even are violent...and the police have to deal with that as
well.
> > > Violence in this country is extremely high, so they have more to deal
with
> > > than some idiot who's not using a headlight at night.
> > >
> > > Now cars without headlights are apples to oranges...cars move faster,
and
> > > take more distance per unit of speed to stop.
> > >
> > > Plus mountain paths are not us sancitoned roadways, therefore vehicle
code
> > > does not apply. Think of a mountain trail as you woulde a racetrack.
You
> > > dont need a license plate to race a car.
> > >
> > > And 99% is a bit off, it's less than that.
> > >
> > > Really, learn about how the law works here...even for the light, he
would
> > > get a "fix-it ticket" or an "infraction", neither of which leads to
jail
> > > time, unless he ignores the ticket altogether. Fix-it tickets are no
fine
> > > tickets, and are the first ones issued. So really they would lose
money
> > by
> > > doing this.
> >
> > Save your breath..."Red Cloud" is a well-known troll. His posts are
always
> > like this...long, poorly written, and filled with factual inaccuracies.
I
> > think he gets off on how much time other folks waste in researching
their
> > responses to his nonsense.
> >
>
> Have you ever read CA Vehicle Code dumbass?
> Are you too lazy to find out?
> If you are here is the site
>
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

08-06-2004, 02:19 PM

Use the REAL vehicle code, not some third party version:
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

BTW I'm not even reading it, since any variance of the law in their site is
not legal, the link above is. Again note the absence of section 2700.

Really, you should correct your rant, your errors discredit any point your
trying to make.

"Red Cloud" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].uk> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] m...
> "GaryG" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>...
> > "Stephen Foley" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > news:1091560166.329886@sj-nntpcache-5...
> > > I can't seem to find a section "2700" of the vehicle code.
> > > Here are the two sections where a 2700 would have been:
> > > CHAPTER 3. THE RECIPROCITY COMMISSION
> > > Article 1. Administration .....................................
> > > 2600-2603
> > > Article 2. Powers and Duties ..................................
> > > 2650-2651
> > > CHAPTER 4. ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT
> > > Article 1. Lawful Orders and Inspections ......................
> > > 2800-2818
> > >
> > >
> > > In the US, you do not have to hanve any kind of bike registration,
unless
> > > the locality specifies, which many do not, since it would cost more
than
> > > it's worth.
> > >
> > > Now helmets are not required for those over 18 years of age, it is
merely
> > > optional, and reccomended. Anyone under 18 IS required to wear a
helmet.
> > >
> > > Headlights are mandatory, but only at nighttime, and the standard is
if it
> > > is visible by motorists for at least 300 feet to the front and sides
(90
> > > degrees), which even a light so dim you cant see it form behind can
do.
> > > This is the one that annoys me....folks that have very nice bikes, who
> > ride
> > > them at night without a light...given some in this country can barely
> > afford
> > > to eat and ride a barely useable bike to get to work...so they cant
afford
> > > lights....but those who have expensive roadbikes have no excuse on not
> > > having lights.
> > >
> > > US cops just don't give cyclists that hard a time because they have
more
> > > important things to do...like deal with a drug dealer, or maybe an
> > assault,
> > > or something else. Homeless are generally not too bad, but some do
steal,
> > > and some even are violent...and the police have to deal with that as
well.
> > > Violence in this country is extremely high, so they have more to deal
with
> > > than some idiot who's not using a headlight at night.
> > >
> > > Now cars without headlights are apples to oranges...cars move faster,
and
> > > take more distance per unit of speed to stop.
> > >
> > > Plus mountain paths are not us sancitoned roadways, therefore vehicle
code
> > > does not apply. Think of a mountain trail as you woulde a racetrack.
You
> > > dont need a license plate to race a car.
> > >
> > > And 99% is a bit off, it's less than that.
> > >
> > > Really, learn about how the law works here...even for the light, he
would
> > > get a "fix-it ticket" or an "infraction", neither of which leads to
jail
> > > time, unless he ignores the ticket altogether. Fix-it tickets are no
fine
> > > tickets, and are the first ones issued. So really they would lose
money
> > by
> > > doing this.
> >
> > Save your breath..."Red Cloud" is a well-known troll. His posts are
always
> > like this...long, poorly written, and filled with factual inaccuracies.
I
> > think he gets off on how much time other folks waste in researching
their
> > responses to his nonsense.
> >
>
> Have you ever read CA Vehicle Code dumbass?
> Are you too lazy to find out?
> If you are here is the site
>
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]