Stoplights: fatwa requested - Page 3

08-03-2004, 01:46 PM

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 17:15:49 -0400, Luigi de Guzman <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>On the way back home from the store, I roll up to a stoplight. The
>street is four lanes, two in each direction; the rightmost lane
>usually fills up with right-turning traffic, while the left-hand lane
>stays pretty loose. My way home is up a fairly gentle hill.
>
>Now my first instinct as a law-abiding cyclist is to stop, take my bit
>of the lane, and wait in line. But I've done that for ages and ages,
>and I already know from experience that if I do, I'll just have to get
>rolling again in twenty to sixty seconds.
>
>So today I do something a little different; I look over my shoulder,
>signal, join the left-hand lane, roll up right to the light. By this
>time, the light has changed, and I still have enough momentum to check
>back the other way, change back to the right lane, and move up the
>hill.
>
>So, fatwa time, RBM traffic muftis: Is this permissible for the
>faithful cyclist, or should I just go back to waiting in the right
>lane? I mention this because motorists do this sort of thing all the
>time--line up in the left lane to get clear of a long line of
>right-turning traffic, and then change back into the right lane when
>the opportunity presents itself.
>
>-Luigi
>
>go play in traffic!
>
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>Photos, rants, raves

I do this all the time. Sometimes I'll fake the turn and make a quick U-ie,
and then another turn into the intended straight-away.

If you get run over, though, it's your fault. ;-p

-B
Of course if you get run over being law-abiding, it's -still- your fault.
;-P

08-03-2004, 01:48 PM

That's exactly waht I do..

"David Reuteler" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> Bob in CT <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> > I'd probably do what you're doing. I find that the worst time for me is
> > people taking right turns. In fact, I hit someone who turned right in
> > front of me (no turn signal, of course).
>
> if the right lane were right turn *ONLY* i'd place myself on the right
side
> of the left lane, but if the right were mixed (straight thru and right
> turning traffic) i'd take the (right) lane & park myself right in the
middle
> of it to avoid what you're talking about -- someone turning in front of
me.
> --
> david reuteler
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

08-03-2004, 01:48 PM

That's exactly waht I do..

"David Reuteler" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:4110057e$0$65610$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com ...
> Bob in CT <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> > I'd probably do what you're doing. I find that the worst time for me is
> > people taking right turns. In fact, I hit someone who turned right in
> > front of me (no turn signal, of course).
>
> if the right lane were right turn *ONLY* i'd place myself on the right
side
> of the left lane, but if the right were mixed (straight thru and right
> turning traffic) i'd take the (right) lane & park myself right in the
middle
> of it to avoid what you're talking about -- someone turning in front of
me.
> --
> david reuteler
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

08-03-2004, 01:48 PM

That's exactly waht I do..

"David Reuteler" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:4110057e$0$65610$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com ...
> Bob in CT <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> > I'd probably do what you're doing. I find that the worst time for me is
> > people taking right turns. In fact, I hit someone who turned right in
> > front of me (no turn signal, of course).
>
> if the right lane were right turn *ONLY* i'd place myself on the right
side
> of the left lane, but if the right were mixed (straight thru and right
> turning traffic) i'd take the (right) lane & park myself right in the
middle
> of it to avoid what you're talking about -- someone turning in front of
me.
> --
> david reuteler
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

08-03-2004, 01:48 PM

That's exactly waht I do..

"David Reuteler" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:4110057e$0$65610$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com ...
> Bob in CT <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> > I'd probably do what you're doing. I find that the worst time for me is
> > people taking right turns. In fact, I hit someone who turned right in
> > front of me (no turn signal, of course).
>
> if the right lane were right turn *ONLY* i'd place myself on the right
side
> of the left lane, but if the right were mixed (straight thru and right
> turning traffic) i'd take the (right) lane & park myself right in the
middle
> of it to avoid what you're talking about -- someone turning in front of
me.
> --
> david reuteler
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

08-03-2004, 01:48 PM

That's exactly waht I do..

"David Reuteler" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:4110057e$0$65610$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com ...
> Bob in CT <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> > I'd probably do what you're doing. I find that the worst time for me is
> > people taking right turns. In fact, I hit someone who turned right in
> > front of me (no turn signal, of course).
>
> if the right lane were right turn *ONLY* i'd place myself on the right
side
> of the left lane, but if the right were mixed (straight thru and right
> turning traffic) i'd take the (right) lane & park myself right in the
middle
> of it to avoid what you're talking about -- someone turning in front of
me.
> --
> david reuteler
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

08-03-2004, 02:08 PM

On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:27:39 -0400, "Doug Huffman"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>The _g_od John Forester has written "Cyclists fare best when they act and
>are treated as drivers of vehicles." [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

yes yes.

I'm already quite aware of what Mr. Forester has had to say about
traffic.

The trouble with Divine Law is that it's usually couched in universal
terms, whereas we mortals live in a rather more specific world. This
is why people study Divinity--in an effort to apply universal
principles to specific situations.

Such as mine.

-Luigi

08-03-2004, 02:08 PM

On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:27:39 -0400, "Doug Huffman"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>The _g_od John Forester has written "Cyclists fare best when they act and
>are treated as drivers of vehicles." [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

yes yes.

I'm already quite aware of what Mr. Forester has had to say about
traffic.

The trouble with Divine Law is that it's usually couched in universal
terms, whereas we mortals live in a rather more specific world. This
is why people study Divinity--in an effort to apply universal
principles to specific situations.

Such as mine.

-Luigi

08-03-2004, 02:08 PM

On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:27:39 -0400, "Doug Huffman"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>The _g_od John Forester has written "Cyclists fare best when they act and
>are treated as drivers of vehicles." [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

yes yes.

I'm already quite aware of what Mr. Forester has had to say about
traffic.

The trouble with Divine Law is that it's usually couched in universal
terms, whereas we mortals live in a rather more specific world. This
is why people study Divinity--in an effort to apply universal
principles to specific situations.

Such as mine.

-Luigi

08-03-2004, 02:08 PM

On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:27:39 -0400, "Doug Huffman"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>The _g_od John Forester has written "Cyclists fare best when they act and
>are treated as drivers of vehicles." [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

yes yes.

I'm already quite aware of what Mr. Forester has had to say about
traffic.

The trouble with Divine Law is that it's usually couched in universal
terms, whereas we mortals live in a rather more specific world. This
is why people study Divinity--in an effort to apply universal
principles to specific situations.

Such as mine.

-Luigi