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08-31-2004, 11:35 PM

On 2004-09-01, Zoot Katz <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> 01 Sep 2004 02:01:07 GMT,
><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com>,
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Fx199) wrote:
>
>>>If vegetarianism is a moral issue then fish always seems to me a strange
>>>choice. Over fishing is a major issue world wide and the way they are killed
>>>is not particularly humane.
>>
>>you're assuming he doesn't eat farmed fish
>
> Six pounds of wild fish (mostly from the southern hemisphere) were
> harvested and processed into the meal for every pound of farmed fish
> you eat.
>
> Plus they're spiked with hormones and antibiotics, just like poultry
> and any other livestock raised commercially.
>
> The drugs added to animal feed is primarily why I restrict my intake
> of meat and dairy products.

Understood. But I live on planet earth. This is the way things are done
here, unfortunately. So I'm trying to make the best decisions I can. And
if I have to take obesity over the risk of hormones or drugs in the fish,
I think the obesity is a more sure bet to do me in, you know.

Preston

08-31-2004, 11:35 PM

On 2004-09-01, Zoot Katz <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> 01 Sep 2004 02:01:07 GMT,
><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com>,
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Fx199) wrote:
>
>>>If vegetarianism is a moral issue then fish always seems to me a strange
>>>choice. Over fishing is a major issue world wide and the way they are killed
>>>is not particularly humane.
>>
>>you're assuming he doesn't eat farmed fish
>
> Six pounds of wild fish (mostly from the southern hemisphere) were
> harvested and processed into the meal for every pound of farmed fish
> you eat.
>
> Plus they're spiked with hormones and antibiotics, just like poultry
> and any other livestock raised commercially.
>
> The drugs added to animal feed is primarily why I restrict my intake
> of meat and dairy products.

Understood. But I live on planet earth. This is the way things are done
here, unfortunately. So I'm trying to make the best decisions I can. And
if I have to take obesity over the risk of hormones or drugs in the fish,
I think the obesity is a more sure bet to do me in, you know.

Preston

08-31-2004, 11:35 PM

On 2004-09-01, Zoot Katz <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> 01 Sep 2004 02:01:07 GMT,
><[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].com>,
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Fx199) wrote:
>
>>>If vegetarianism is a moral issue then fish always seems to me a strange
>>>choice. Over fishing is a major issue world wide and the way they are killed
>>>is not particularly humane.
>>
>>you're assuming he doesn't eat farmed fish
>
> Six pounds of wild fish (mostly from the southern hemisphere) were
> harvested and processed into the meal for every pound of farmed fish
> you eat.
>
> Plus they're spiked with hormones and antibiotics, just like poultry
> and any other livestock raised commercially.
>
> The drugs added to animal feed is primarily why I restrict my intake
> of meat and dairy products.

Understood. But I live on planet earth. This is the way things are done
here, unfortunately. So I'm trying to make the best decisions I can. And
if I have to take obesity over the risk of hormones or drugs in the fish,
I think the obesity is a more sure bet to do me in, you know.

Preston

08-31-2004, 11:40 PM

On 2004-09-01, Roger Zoul <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> As long as you don't have a problem with it, turkey is great! Other types
> of fish & seafood are good too, like shrimp, catfish, talapia (sp?), trout,
> etc.
>
> I agree with your logic, too.

I appreciate that. This has been a difficult post. I have lost over 160lbs
in my journey. And I've gained back about 28 because of a bad year where I
was working long hours at work.

I'm just trying to shed those last 28 lbs. and maybe another 30 and to
finally get down to where I should be. So these discussions about nuts and
how I'm killing myself by eating fish aren't helping. I'm still
technically obese. So right now the quality of fish I'm eating and the
evils of meat are a distraction.

I'm being open-minded. If there's a low-fat, healthy non-meat solution
then I'm open minded about it. I'll do more research on whey protein, for
example. But my utmost concern right now is my health. It has to be.

Preston

08-31-2004, 11:40 PM

On 2004-09-01, Roger Zoul <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> As long as you don't have a problem with it, turkey is great! Other types
> of fish & seafood are good too, like shrimp, catfish, talapia (sp?), trout,
> etc.
>
> I agree with your logic, too.

I appreciate that. This has been a difficult post. I have lost over 160lbs
in my journey. And I've gained back about 28 because of a bad year where I
was working long hours at work.

I'm just trying to shed those last 28 lbs. and maybe another 30 and to
finally get down to where I should be. So these discussions about nuts and
how I'm killing myself by eating fish aren't helping. I'm still
technically obese. So right now the quality of fish I'm eating and the
evils of meat are a distraction.

I'm being open-minded. If there's a low-fat, healthy non-meat solution
then I'm open minded about it. I'll do more research on whey protein, for
example. But my utmost concern right now is my health. It has to be.

Preston

08-31-2004, 11:40 PM

On 2004-09-01, Roger Zoul <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> As long as you don't have a problem with it, turkey is great! Other types
> of fish & seafood are good too, like shrimp, catfish, talapia (sp?), trout,
> etc.
>
> I agree with your logic, too.

I appreciate that. This has been a difficult post. I have lost over 160lbs
in my journey. And I've gained back about 28 because of a bad year where I
was working long hours at work.

I'm just trying to shed those last 28 lbs. and maybe another 30 and to
finally get down to where I should be. So these discussions about nuts and
how I'm killing myself by eating fish aren't helping. I'm still
technically obese. So right now the quality of fish I'm eating and the
evils of meat are a distraction.

I'm being open-minded. If there's a low-fat, healthy non-meat solution
then I'm open minded about it. I'll do more research on whey protein, for
example. But my utmost concern right now is my health. It has to be.

Preston

08-31-2004, 11:40 PM

On 2004-09-01, Roger Zoul <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> As long as you don't have a problem with it, turkey is great! Other types
> of fish & seafood are good too, like shrimp, catfish, talapia (sp?), trout,
> etc.
>
> I agree with your logic, too.

I appreciate that. This has been a difficult post. I have lost over 160lbs
in my journey. And I've gained back about 28 because of a bad year where I
was working long hours at work.

I'm just trying to shed those last 28 lbs. and maybe another 30 and to
finally get down to where I should be. So these discussions about nuts and
how I'm killing myself by eating fish aren't helping. I'm still
technically obese. So right now the quality of fish I'm eating and the
evils of meat are a distraction.

I'm being open-minded. If there's a low-fat, healthy non-meat solution
then I'm open minded about it. I'll do more research on whey protein, for
example. But my utmost concern right now is my health. It has to be.

Preston

08-31-2004, 11:45 PM

On 2004-09-01, H <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> It certainly is possible, however, to be strictly vegetarian and meet
> one's performance goals. There are a number of endurance athletes who
> pull this off.

I think this depends partly on body type. I find myself needing protein
more than others.

> Perhaps try popping a multi-vitamin every once in a while. It may be
> that you are deficient in a particular vitamin/nutrient rather than
> protein in general. If you look it up, you'll find that well-balanced
> vegetarian diet has no problem meeting a human's protein requirements.

I do take a multi-vitamin. And generally I feel okay. It's just that in
the last year or so as my life has gotten busier I've replaced weekly meal
preparations of beans and rice (proof that a vegetarian diet when
well-balanced and planned can work) with easier things like cheese,
gardenburgers, etc. So I became a sloppy vegetarian.

Either way, I'm just being realistic and saying that for right now, one of
my requirements is that whatever I do be easy. I know you can lose weight
and be healthy as a vegetarian. I lost 160lbs. doing it. Problem is I
spent about 10 hours a week in the kitchen and planning meals. Time I just
don't have right now if I want to work full time, get my mileage in and
have some free time left over that isn't spent preparing food. Back when I
was losing all that weight as a vegetarian I was spending an inordinate
amount of time on the actual process of preparing food. I don't think
that's reasonable right now.

Preston

08-31-2004, 11:45 PM

On 2004-09-01, H <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> It certainly is possible, however, to be strictly vegetarian and meet
> one's performance goals. There are a number of endurance athletes who
> pull this off.

I think this depends partly on body type. I find myself needing protein
more than others.

> Perhaps try popping a multi-vitamin every once in a while. It may be
> that you are deficient in a particular vitamin/nutrient rather than
> protein in general. If you look it up, you'll find that well-balanced
> vegetarian diet has no problem meeting a human's protein requirements.

I do take a multi-vitamin. And generally I feel okay. It's just that in
the last year or so as my life has gotten busier I've replaced weekly meal
preparations of beans and rice (proof that a vegetarian diet when
well-balanced and planned can work) with easier things like cheese,
gardenburgers, etc. So I became a sloppy vegetarian.

Either way, I'm just being realistic and saying that for right now, one of
my requirements is that whatever I do be easy. I know you can lose weight
and be healthy as a vegetarian. I lost 160lbs. doing it. Problem is I
spent about 10 hours a week in the kitchen and planning meals. Time I just
don't have right now if I want to work full time, get my mileage in and
have some free time left over that isn't spent preparing food. Back when I
was losing all that weight as a vegetarian I was spending an inordinate
amount of time on the actual process of preparing food. I don't think
that's reasonable right now.

Preston

08-31-2004, 11:45 PM

On 2004-09-01, H <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> It certainly is possible, however, to be strictly vegetarian and meet
> one's performance goals. There are a number of endurance athletes who
> pull this off.

I think this depends partly on body type. I find myself needing protein
more than others.

> Perhaps try popping a multi-vitamin every once in a while. It may be
> that you are deficient in a particular vitamin/nutrient rather than
> protein in general. If you look it up, you'll find that well-balanced
> vegetarian diet has no problem meeting a human's protein requirements.

I do take a multi-vitamin. And generally I feel okay. It's just that in
the last year or so as my life has gotten busier I've replaced weekly meal
preparations of beans and rice (proof that a vegetarian diet when
well-balanced and planned can work) with easier things like cheese,
gardenburgers, etc. So I became a sloppy vegetarian.

Either way, I'm just being realistic and saying that for right now, one of
my requirements is that whatever I do be easy. I know you can lose weight
and be healthy as a vegetarian. I lost 160lbs. doing it. Problem is I
spent about 10 hours a week in the kitchen and planning meals. Time I just
don't have right now if I want to work full time, get my mileage in and
have some free time left over that isn't spent preparing food. Back when I
was losing all that weight as a vegetarian I was spending an inordinate
amount of time on the actual process of preparing food. I don't think
that's reasonable right now.

Preston