Re: Last Child in the Woods -- Saving Our Children from Nature-Deficit Disorder - Page 2 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

11-23-2006, 10:28 AM

"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> You are LYING. I did NONE of those studies, and didn't weed anything
> out. I reviewed ALL experimental studies comparing hiking & mountain
> biking impacts.
>

You MIGHT have reviewed them all, but you most certainly did not include
them all.

11-23-2006, 04:18 PM

"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:01:55 GMT, "Roberto Baggio"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>>Can you explain how a conference is considered an independent
>>confirmation?
>
> I wouldn't be allowed to speak (not just ONCE, but REPEATEDLY), if my
> paper weren't of scientific quality.

That doesn't imply independent confirmation. It just implies that you were
allowed speak more than once.

11-24-2006, 10:44 AM

On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:28:28 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
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>"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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>> You are LYING. I did NONE of those studies, and didn't weed anything
>> out. I reviewed ALL experimental studies comparing hiking & mountain
>> biking impacts.
>>
>
>You MIGHT have reviewed them all, but you most certainly did not include
>them all.

Yes, I did. But you haven't verified it, because the truth hurts.
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11-24-2006, 10:47 AM

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:18:22 GMT, "Roberto Baggio"
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>"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:01:55 GMT, "Roberto Baggio"
>> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>
>>>Can you explain how a conference is considered an independent
>>>confirmation?
>>
>> I wouldn't be allowed to speak (not just ONCE, but REPEATEDLY), if my
>> paper weren't of scientific quality.
>
>That doesn't imply independent confirmation. It just implies that you were
>allowed speak more than once.

Yes, NINE times against mountain biking. Must be valid.
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11-24-2006, 11:37 AM

Roberto Baggio wrote:
> "Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> > On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:01:55 GMT, "Roberto Baggio"
> > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> >
> >>Can you explain how a conference is considered an independent
> >>confirmation?
> >
> > I wouldn't be allowed to speak (not just ONCE, but REPEATEDLY), if my
> > paper weren't of scientific quality.
>
> That doesn't imply independent confirmation. It just implies that you were
> allowed speak more than once.

Now, now - MJV is injured when you talk like that. He knows that
without peer-review, published papers are meaningless. And
self-published papers, by their very nature, are not peer-reviewed.

But MJV knows that his "research" would never be published in a real
scientific journal. And it hurts him that we all know this, too.

As he like to retort ad nauseum - the truth hurts.

E.P.

11-24-2006, 10:13 PM

"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:18:22 GMT, "Roberto Baggio"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>>"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
>>news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. ..
>>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:01:55 GMT, "Roberto Baggio"
>>> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Can you explain how a conference is considered an independent
>>>>confirmation?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't be allowed to speak (not just ONCE, but REPEATEDLY), if my
>>> paper weren't of scientific quality.
>>
>>That doesn't imply independent confirmation. It just implies that you
>>were
>>allowed speak more than once.
>
> Yes, NINE times against mountain biking. Must be valid.

Interesting. So if someone I know has spoken numerous times on how to build
mountain bike trails, does that imply that their assertions are
scientifically valid? Does it imply that building mountain bike trails is
legal?

Regardless of your baseless opinions (and lies), there are numerous mountain
bike trails around here that are legally used every day. They will continue
to be legally used now, and in the future. This is also the case for
numerous locations all over the world. It is legal, it is promoted by land
owners and various branches of government, and you cannot do anything to
change that. Sorry, but that is the truth.

11-24-2006, 10:22 PM

Perhaps he could speak at something like this?
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"Ed Pirrero" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> Now, now - MJV is injured when you talk like that. He knows that
> without peer-review, published papers are meaningless. And
> self-published papers, by their very nature, are not peer-reviewed.
>
> But MJV knows that his "research" would never be published in a real
> scientific journal. And it hurts him that we all know this, too.
>
> As he like to retort ad nauseum - the truth hurts.
>
> E.P.

11-25-2006, 10:50 AM

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:22:21 GMT, "Roberto Baggio"
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>Perhaps he could speak at something like this?
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No, those "conferences" are censored.

>"Ed Pirrero" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
>news:1164400672.942620.272610@j72g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
>> Now, now - MJV is injured when you talk like that. He knows that
>> without peer-review, published papers are meaningless. And
>> self-published papers, by their very nature, are not peer-reviewed.
>>
>> But MJV knows that his "research" would never be published in a real
>> scientific journal. And it hurts him that we all know this, too.
>>
>> As he like to retort ad nauseum - the truth hurts.
>>
>> E.P.
>
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years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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11-25-2006, 11:52 AM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:22:21 GMT, "Roberto Baggio"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>
>>Perhaps he could speak at something like this?
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>
>
> No, those "conferences" are censored.
>

Censored? You mean they only allow real scientists to talk or people
that actually know what they're talking about? You fail on both
accounts, no wonder they wouldn't let you talk.

11-25-2006, 04:53 PM

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:52:27 GMT, jason <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
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>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:22:21 GMT, "Roberto Baggio"
>> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Perhaps he could speak at something like this?
>>>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>>
>>
>> No, those "conferences" are censored.
>>
>
>
>Censored? You mean they only allow real scientists to talk or people
>that actually know what they're talking about? You fail on both
>accounts, no wonder they wouldn't let you talk.

No, the opposite. They don't allow any real scientists -- people who
might tell the truth about mountain biking. But you already knew that,
didn't you?
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years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

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