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01-03-2007, 07:04 PM

On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:58:38 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
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>"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:47:41 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>> wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>>The science of my mathematics conflicts with the science of your
>>>psychosis.
>>>Mathematics trumps psychosis. You lose.
>>
>> I have an MA in math from Harvard. What about you? Have you finished
>> grade school yet? Besides, this is biology, not math. It's amazing how
>> you keep coming back for more punishment, no matter how many times you
>> get whipped.
>> ===
>Nice ATTEMPT at redirection away from the actual points he made. Attacking
>his background or intelligence in NO WAY minimizes the statements made by
>JS. It only highlights your choice to not address them. Your MA has no
>relevance in the reply since you did not address the points made. Citing
>where you "earned" your MA holds more embarrassment for Harvard through
>association rather than give you any credibility since you disregarded his
>statements in the reply.
>Attacking character is no substitute for a reply on point.

As I said, you can't fake honesty. You can't find a single inaccurate
statement in my paper, or you would be able to quote it right now. The
fact is, you CAN'T! QED.

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01-03-2007, 07:06 PM

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:57:52 GMT, "JP" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

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>"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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>> It's interesting that you guys NEVER quote a single statement of mine
>> that you think is not correct. Because then you could easily be
>> refuted. It's easier to spout vague generalities, isn't it? After 12
>> years, not one mountain biker has ever been able to find a single
>> incorrect statement in my papers. If you could have done so, you would
>> have done so long ago. It's the same reason you are afraid ot use your
>> real name: people would find out you are full of it.
>
>
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>I did Mikey. About a year and a half ago. Google it.
>Answered you point for point,
>showed the flaws in your assumptions and your reasoning.
>
>And your response........?
>
>"Yawn" "Did you say something?"

Probably because you didn't really address the issues. As I said, you
can't fake honesty. You can't find a single inaccurate statement in
my paper, or you would be able to quote it right now. The fact is, you
CAN'T! Put up or shut up. QED.

>You're not looking for dialogue.
>You don't care about wildlife or wilderness.
>You're simply a troll seeking to incite for your own pathetic reasons.
>And a liar.
>Vande-Garbage.
>
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01-03-2007, 07:06 PM

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:44:05 -0700, Mark Hickey <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>"JP" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
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>>"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote
>>>
>>> It's interesting that you guys NEVER quote a single statement of mine
>>> that you think is not correct. Because then you could easily be
>>> refuted. It's easier to spout vague generalities, isn't it? After 12
>>> years, not one mountain biker has ever been able to find a single
>>> incorrect statement in my papers. If you could have done so, you would
>>> have done so long ago. It's the same reason you are afraid ot use your
>>> real name: people would find out you are full of it.
>>
>>I did Mikey. About a year and a half ago. Google it.
>>Answered you point for point,
>>showed the flaws in your assumptions and your reasoning.
>>
>>And your response........?
>>
>>"Yawn" "Did you say something?"
>>
>>You're not looking for dialogue.
>>You don't care about wildlife or wilderness.
>>You're simply a troll seeking to incite for your own pathetic reasons.
>>And a liar.
>
>So don't reply to him. Shun him and he'll go away (or at least will
>be very, very bored if we all ignore him).

Why can't you follow your own advice? Hypocrite.

>Mark Hickey
>Habanero Cycles
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01-03-2007, 08:09 PM

On Jan 1, 10:24 am, Mike Vandeman <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> It's interesting that you guys NEVER quote a single statement of mine
> that you think is not correct.

I don't think that's correct.

-Beej

01-04-2007, 07:19 AM

On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 11:06:47 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

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>"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>The science of my mathematics conflicts with the science of your
>>>psychosis.
>>>Mathematics trumps psychosis. You lose.
>>
>> I have an MA in math from Harvard. What about you? Have you finished
>> grade school yet? Besides, this is biology, not math. It's amazing how
>> you keep coming back for more punishment, no matter how many times you
>> get whipped.
>
>You haven't figured out that you are fighting to save 0.004% of the
>environment -- and that assumes you are 100% corrects AND I give you a 100
>fold benefit of the doubt about how much land area is actually adversely
>affected by bike riding, AND ignores any other form or activity that can
>cause or contribute to the adversity you assert.
>
>My math trumps your psychosis.

BS. Human impacts aren't restricted to the width of the trail -- a
fact of basic biology that has never penetrated your thick skull --
and , I predict, never will. It's one of those "inconvenient truths".
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01-04-2007, 07:20 AM

On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 11:27:43 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
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>"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:39:01 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
>> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
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>>>"S Curtiss" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
>>>news:lnQlh.21342$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
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>>>>>>"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:lukap2lhol1feqlnhgc1phf0u3rahpecj6@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> The Impacts of Mountain Biking on Wildlife and People --
>>>>>>> A Review of the Literature
>>>>>>> Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D.
>>>>>>> July 3, 2004
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>This...? Again...?
>>>>>>All you have is a persistent insistence that your OPINIONS supercede
>>>>>>all
>>>>>>other information and research. You have yet to provide any other peer
>>>>>>comment or review on these opinions. You have yet to provide anything
>>>>>>beyond
>>>>>>your OPINION of mountain biking to substantiate your claims. Your
>>>>>>OPINIONS
>>>>>>continue to run counter to established and defined concepts. You use
>>>>>>your
>>>>>>OPINIONS to measure all data.
>>>>>>It is no wonder REAL experts, REAL scientists
>>>>>
>>>>> You wouldn't know a real scientist if he bit you in the ass. The fact
>>>>> is, no real scientist has found any flaw in my paper yet! (Hint:
>>>>> because there aren't any.)
>>>> Then give the NAMES of those who endorse your OPINIONS and
>>>> presentations.
>>>> Give the names of those who have heard you speak and commented directly
>>>> on
>>>> what YOU have said.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'll take one name. One.
>>>
>>>Mike, why doesn't the Sierra Club endorse your agenda anymore?
>>
>> Two chapters voted long ago to support my human-free habitat proopsal.
>> Those resolutions still stand.
>
>Two? That's all? That's a sad legacy, Mr. Vandeman.

Compared to your ZERO? Don't make me laugh.

>You can't even get support for your environmentalist agenda from the
>environmentalists. Very sad indeed. How many chapters are there? You got 2
>to go along with you. According to the SC's Website, there are 64 chapters
>in the USA, and 13 in California. However, getting 2 chapters to go along
>with your psychosis is astounding to me, especially since your avowed goal
>flies in the face of the Club's own mission statement -- Explore, enjoy and
>protect the wild places of the earth.
>
>Everything you stand for defies the goal of explore and enjoy, and does
>virtually nothing to protect.
>
>
>
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01-04-2007, 07:21 AM

On 3 Jan 2007 21:09:56 -0800, "Beej" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Jan 1, 10:24 am, Mike Vandeman <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> It's interesting that you guys NEVER quote a single statement of mine
>> that you think is not correct.
>
>I don't think that's correct.

It is. You just proved it, by
>-Beej
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01-04-2007, 07:22 AM

On 3 Jan 2007 21:09:56 -0800, "Beej" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Jan 1, 10:24 am, Mike Vandeman <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> It's interesting that you guys NEVER quote a single statement of mine
>> that you think is not correct.
>
>I don't think that's correct.

You just proved it's correct, by not quoting any statement of mine
that you think is incorrect.

>-Beej
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01-04-2007, 07:27 AM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On 3 Jan 2007 21:09:56 -0800, "Beej" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
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>> On Jan 1, 10:24 am, Mike Vandeman <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>> It's interesting that you guys NEVER quote a single statement of mine
>>> that you think is not correct.
>> I don't think that's correct.
>
> You just proved it's correct, by not quoting any statement of mine
> that you think is incorrect.
>
>> -Beej
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
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How about this then: "It's interesting that you guys NEVER quote a
single statement of mine that you think is not correct."

There you go, one quote from you that is an incorrect statement.

01-04-2007, 08:30 AM

On Jan 4, 8:22 am, Mike Vandeman <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> You just proved it's correct, by not quoting any statement of mine
> that you think is incorrect.

It's the fact that you don't succumb to cold hard logic, Mike, that
keeps you from exploding like that one robot in Star Trek. Well done.

-Beej