hardtail VS fullsuspension, hardtails don't recoil

01-10-2007, 10:55 PM

Well I need a new bike.

I might be able to get a bike store to help me seeing how I have no
money.

But contemplation I have is that I've seen many guys crash due to their
full suspension recoiling, of which the recoil through them out of
balance whilst on a rock garden or such.

Hardtails don't do this. I'm beginning to think if you develop the
skills of consciousness of physics on an advanced level, hardtails are
better for obtuse contorted terrain, you can take a hardtail over
anything a fullsuspension is usually preferred over a hardtail.

01-11-2007, 08:30 PM

LIBERATOR wrote:
> Well I need a new bike.
>
> I might be able to get a bike store to help me seeing how I have no
> money.
>
> But contemplation I have is that I've seen many guys crash due to their
> full suspension recoiling, of which the recoil through them out of
> balance whilst on a rock garden or such.
>
> Hardtails don't do this. I'm beginning to think if you develop the
> skills of consciousness of physics on an advanced level, hardtails are
> better for obtuse contorted terrain, you can take a hardtail over
> anything a fullsuspension is usually preferred over a hardtail.

I have yet to see a full-suspension trials bike.

--
Lynn Wallace

If FDR fought fascism the way Bush fights terrorism, we'd all be
speaking German now.

01-12-2007, 04:33 AM

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:30:49 -0800, Raptor <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> LIBERATOR wrote:
>> Well I need a new bike.
>> I might be able to get a bike store to help me seeing how I have no
>> money.
>> But contemplation I have is that I've seen many guys crash due to their
>> full suspension recoiling, of which the recoil through them out of
>> balance whilst on a rock garden or such.
>> Hardtails don't do this. I'm beginning to think if you develop the
>> skills of consciousness of physics on an advanced level, hardtails are
>> better for obtuse contorted terrain, you can take a hardtail over
>> anything a fullsuspension is usually preferred over a hardtail.
>
> I have yet to see a full-suspension trials bike.
>

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Slack

01-13-2007, 02:29 AM

'BERATOR wrote:
> Well I need a new bike.
>
> I might be able to get a bike store to help me seeing how I have no
> money.
>
> But contemplation I have is that I've seen many guys crash due to
> their full suspension recoiling, of which the recoil through them out
> of balance whilst on a rock garden or such.
>
> Hardtails don't do this. I'm beginning to think if you develop the
> skills of consciousness of physics on an advanced level, hardtails are
> better for obtuse contorted terrain, you can take a hardtail over
> anything a fullsuspension is usually preferred over a hardtail.

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

A properly setup suspension with rebound and compression dampening should
not "recoil."

Mike

01-13-2007, 08:57 AM

>
> A properly setup suspension with rebound and compression dampening should
> not "recoil."
>
> Mike

A hard tail makes you makes you learn to ride it has no mercy you must
position you body properly and handle the bike correctly,It is the only
type of bike you should ride when learning to do technical climbing and
descending ,once you have learned proper bike handling skills a full
squish bike (when set up properly) will enable you to ride faster and
farther with more comfort,but if you start with a full suspension bike
you will probably never learn proper bike handling skills.

01-13-2007, 07:11 PM

Slack wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:30:49 -0800, Raptor <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> I have yet to see a full-suspension trials bike.
>
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
> --Slack

Okay,

I have yet to see a full-suspension trials bike without a motor.

--
Lynn Wallace

If FDR fought fascism the way Bush fights terrorism, we'd all be
speaking German now.

01-15-2007, 03:49 PM

wizardB wrote:
>> A properly setup suspension with rebound and compression dampening
>> should not "recoil."
>>
>> Mike
>
> A hard tail makes you makes you learn to ride it has no mercy you
> must position you body properly and handle the bike correctly,It is
> the only type of bike you should ride when learning to do technical
> climbing and descending ,once you have learned proper bike handling
> skills a full squish bike (when set up properly) will enable you to
> ride faster and farther with more comfort,but if you start with a
> full suspension bike you will probably never learn proper bike
> handling skills.

Agreed. I started on a fully rigid bike.

Still it doesn't have anything to do with an improper suspension set up
causing the bike to "recoil" on the rider.

Mike

01-15-2007, 03:54 PM

Michael Dart wrote:
> wizardB wrote:
>>> A properly setup suspension with rebound and compression dampening
>>> should not "recoil."
>>>
>>> Mike
>> A hard tail makes you makes you learn to ride it has no mercy you
>> must position you body properly and handle the bike correctly,It is
>> the only type of bike you should ride when learning to do technical
>> climbing and descending ,once you have learned proper bike handling
>> skills a full squish bike (when set up properly) will enable you to
>> ride faster and farther with more comfort,but if you start with a
>> full suspension bike you will probably never learn proper bike
>> handling skills.
>
> Agreed. I started on a fully rigid bike.
>
> Still it doesn't have anything to do with an improper suspension set up
> causing the bike to "recoil" on the rider.
>
> Mike
>
>
It was the original posters brain that was recoiling not the bike me thinks

01-15-2007, 04:20 PM

wizardB wrote:
> Michael Dart wrote:
>> wizardB wrote:
>>>> A properly setup suspension with rebound and compression dampening
>>>> should not "recoil."
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>> A hard tail makes you makes you learn to ride it has no mercy you
>>> must position you body properly and handle the bike correctly,It is
>>> the only type of bike you should ride when learning to do technical
>>> climbing and descending ,once you have learned proper bike handling
>>> skills a full squish bike (when set up properly) will enable you to
>>> ride faster and farther with more comfort,but if you start with a
>>> full suspension bike you will probably never learn proper bike
>>> handling skills.
>>
>> Agreed. I started on a fully rigid bike.
>>
>> Still it doesn't have anything to do with an improper suspension set
>> up causing the bike to "recoil" on the rider.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
> It was the original posters brain that was recoiling not the bike me
> thinks

Oh without a doubt!!!

Mike

01-15-2007, 08:16 PM

You have not said what type of riding you plan to do.
If it is downhill racing , full suspension is definately the way to
go.
A small lump at high speed that the suspension could have absorbed
will be enough to throw you off with a hard tail.

For slow speed descents totally under control a hard tail should give
better control but in most cases their will be a steep section or jump
that you will have to drop down and suspension will help here