Eco terrorist Mike's friend caught. - Page 5

02-08-2007, 07:34 AM

On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 01:56:43 GMT, "RpJ" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
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>"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:49:49 -0800, "Pete Rissler"
>> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].nv.us> wrote:
>>
>>>"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
>>>news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ...
>>>> On 5 Feb 2007 23:21:35 -0800, "Beej" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Feb 5, 5:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>>>> >Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and
>>>>>> >a
>>>>>> >human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
>>>>>> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>>>>>
>>>>>One of them is covered by California Penal Code section 187, and the
>>>>>other is not.
>>>>
>>>> One of them is covered by the ESA, and the other one is covered by
>>>> vermin statutes.
>>>
>>>Unless the snake is Federally listed as either an Endangered or Threatened
>>>Species then it is not covered under the Endangered Species Act.
>>
>> You still haven't answer the question: what's the difference between a
>> beneficial snake & a destructive mountain biker?
>
>The number of letters? Perhaps the spelling? Your turn, what is the correct
>answer.

A snake is beneficial. A mountain biker is only destructive. DUH!
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02-08-2007, 12:45 PM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:56:09 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:36:45 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:39:37 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:40:11 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>>>>>>>>> The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder included.
>>>>>>>>> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>>>>>>>>> nothing of it.
>>>>>>>> Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
>>>>>>> I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
>>>>>>> blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
>>>>>> well, besides the obvious skew here, these events are extremely few and
>>>>>> far between. but you knew that.
>>>>> Not due to any concern of mountain bikers. They ride recklessly
>>>>> regardless of who is on the trail.
>>>>>
>>>> Mike, this is pretty typical.
>>>> Cognitive bias, proof by
>>>> example, and proof by
>>>> assertion. No wonder you never
>>>> published. Looks like the only
>>>> thing you learned is how to
>>>> string together logical fallacies.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
>>>>>>>> human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>>>>>>> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
>>>>>>> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> you proved my point, you sick ****.
>>>>> You didn't answer the question.
>>>>>
>>>> One is HUMAN, you idiot. Not
>>>> to mention the INTENT of the
>>>> murderer stringing booby-traps
>>>> for them.
>>>
>>> You still haven't answered the question: " In the case of mountain
>>> bikers, what IS the difference, except that the snake is beneficial,
>>> and the mountain biker is just destructive?". Admit it: you CAN'T.
>>> Tw
>>> ===
>> Can you read? The snake is not HUMAN.
>
> So what? What's the DIFFERENCE between them? DUH!

Are you seriously that stupid? They DIFFER in that one is a REPTILE and
one is HUMAN.

02-08-2007, 12:47 PM

On Feb 8, 8:34 am, Mike Vandeman <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> A mountain biker is only destructive.

What about mountain bikers who aren't riding mountain bikes?

-Beej

02-08-2007, 05:06 PM

On 8 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0800, "Beej" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Feb 8, 8:34 am, Mike Vandeman <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> A mountain biker is only destructive.
>
>What about mountain bikers who aren't riding mountain bikes?

Then they are probably destrroying somehting else, equally selfishly.

>-Beej
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02-08-2007, 05:07 PM

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:45:44 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:56:09 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:36:45 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:39:37 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:40:11 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>>>>>>>>>> The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder included.
>>>>>>>>>> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>>>>>>>>>> nothing of it.
>>>>>>>>> Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
>>>>>>>> I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
>>>>>>>> blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
>>>>>>> well, besides the obvious skew here, these events are extremely few and
>>>>>>> far between. but you knew that.
>>>>>> Not due to any concern of mountain bikers. They ride recklessly
>>>>>> regardless of who is on the trail.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Mike, this is pretty typical.
>>>>> Cognitive bias, proof by
>>>>> example, and proof by
>>>>> assertion. No wonder you never
>>>>> published. Looks like the only
>>>>> thing you learned is how to
>>>>> string together logical fallacies.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
>>>>>>>>> human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>>>>>>>> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
>>>>>>>> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you proved my point, you sick ****.
>>>>>> You didn't answer the question.
>>>>>>
>>>>> One is HUMAN, you idiot. Not
>>>>> to mention the INTENT of the
>>>>> murderer stringing booby-traps
>>>>> for them.
>>>>
>>>> You still haven't answered the question: " In the case of mountain
>>>> bikers, what IS the difference, except that the snake is beneficial,
>>>> and the mountain biker is just destructive?". Admit it: you CAN'T.
>>>> Tw
>>>> ===
>>> Can you read? The snake is not HUMAN.
>>
>> So what? What's the DIFFERENCE between them? DUH!
>
>Are you seriously that stupid? They DIFFER in that one is a REPTILE and
>one is HUMAN.

That is a category, not a difference.
===
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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02-08-2007, 05:56 PM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:45:44 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:56:09 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:36:45 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:39:37 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:40:11 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder included.
>>>>>>>>>>> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>>>>>>>>>>> nothing of it.
>>>>>>>>>> Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
>>>>>>>>> I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
>>>>>>>>> blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
>>>>>>>> well, besides the obvious skew here, these events are extremely few and
>>>>>>>> far between. but you knew that.
>>>>>>> Not due to any concern of mountain bikers. They ride recklessly
>>>>>>> regardless of who is on the trail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike, this is pretty typical.
>>>>>> Cognitive bias, proof by
>>>>>> example, and proof by
>>>>>> assertion. No wonder you never
>>>>>> published. Looks like the only
>>>>>> thing you learned is how to
>>>>>> string together logical fallacies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
>>>>>>>>>> human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>>>>>>>>> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
>>>>>>>>> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you proved my point, you sick ****.
>>>>>>> You didn't answer the question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> One is HUMAN, you idiot. Not
>>>>>> to mention the INTENT of the
>>>>>> murderer stringing booby-traps
>>>>>> for them.
>>>>> You still haven't answered the question: " In the case of mountain
>>>>> bikers, what IS the difference, except that the snake is beneficial,
>>>>> and the mountain biker is just destructive?". Admit it: you CAN'T.
>>>>> Tw
>>>>> ===
>>>> Can you read? The snake is not HUMAN.
>>> So what? What's the DIFFERENCE between them? DUH!
>> Are you seriously that stupid? They DIFFER in that one is a REPTILE and
>> one is HUMAN.
>
> That is a category, not a difference.

Mike, categorical is one kind of differentiation. Try using a dictionary.

02-09-2007, 10:20 AM

"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:45:44 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>>>>> You still haven't answered the question: " In the case of mountain
>>>>> bikers, what IS the difference, except that the snake is beneficial,
>>>>> and the mountain biker is just destructive?". Admit it: you CAN'T.
There is no question. Any qualities, beneficial or not, that you choose to
imply onto a snake has no reference to any qualities you choose to imply
onto "mountain bikers".
The snake is destructive in as much as it kills and moves. How do you
measure "beneficial"? Beneficial to it's prey? Beneficial to it's
surroundings? Beneficial to humans?
Your statement that the "mountain biker is just destructive" is a statement
made from your opinion of "mountain bikers". The ONLY difference you seem to
care about is that the snake does not ride a bicycle and that simple fact is
obvious and nonsense.
Your attempts to force attention away from the FACTS of the case is also
obvious.
It is FACT this man was purposefully rigging trails in such a way as to
cause injury.
It is FACT this man's activities can be classified as terrorism.
It is FACT he was breaking the law.

Any implications you make towards the activities of cyclists while riding
are a non-issue as off-road cycling is legal and recognized. Your OPINION
has no weight in the matter

>>>>> ===
>>>> Can you read? The snake is not HUMAN.
>>>
>>> So what? What's the DIFFERENCE between them? DUH!
>>
>>Are you seriously that stupid? They DIFFER in that one is a REPTILE and
>>one is HUMAN.
>
> That is a category, not a difference.

Using the Vandeman Dictionary for your definitions again, I see....

02-09-2007, 10:25 AM

"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:22:22 GMT, Me <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>>In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
>> Mike Vandeman <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>>> mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>>>
>>
>>No MIkey, that is NOT Murder, it is Manslaughter,
>
> "Manslaughter" to kill a snake? Boy, you sure are confused....

"Murder"...? To kill a snake....? Boy, you sure are confused....
It is the same line of logic, Mikey. You said "murder" when referring to
killing something (that you can't even prove) when the term "murder" refers
to the killing of another person.
>

02-09-2007, 03:17 PM

On Feb 8, 6:06 pm, Mike Vandeman <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> >> A mountain biker is only destructive.
>
> >What about mountain bikers who aren't riding mountain bikes?
>
> Then they are probably destrroying somehting else, equally selfishly.

And yet, despite this, you're not interested in banning bikers. I'm
starting to seriously question your motivations.

-Beej

02-09-2007, 04:28 PM

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:56:35 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:45:44 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:56:09 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:36:45 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:39:37 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:40:11 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder included.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing of it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
>>>>>>>>>> I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
>>>>>>>>>> blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
>>>>>>>>> well, besides the obvious skew here, these events are extremely few and
>>>>>>>>> far between. but you knew that.
>>>>>>>> Not due to any concern of mountain bikers. They ride recklessly
>>>>>>>> regardless of who is on the trail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike, this is pretty typical.
>>>>>>> Cognitive bias, proof by
>>>>>>> example, and proof by
>>>>>>> assertion. No wonder you never
>>>>>>> published. Looks like the only
>>>>>>> thing you learned is how to
>>>>>>> string together logical fallacies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
>>>>>>>>>>> human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>>>>>>>>>> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
>>>>>>>>>> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you proved my point, you sick ****.
>>>>>>>> You didn't answer the question.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One is HUMAN, you idiot. Not
>>>>>>> to mention the INTENT of the
>>>>>>> murderer stringing booby-traps
>>>>>>> for them.
>>>>>> You still haven't answered the question: " In the case of mountain
>>>>>> bikers, what IS the difference, except that the snake is beneficial,
>>>>>> and the mountain biker is just destructive?". Admit it: you CAN'T.
>>>>>> Tw
>>>>>> ===
>>>>> Can you read? The snake is not HUMAN.
>>>> So what? What's the DIFFERENCE between them? DUH!
>>> Are you seriously that stupid? They DIFFER in that one is a REPTILE and
>>> one is HUMAN.
>>
>> That is a category, not a difference.
>
>Mike, categorical is one kind of differentiation. Try using a dictionary.

So you admit that you can't or won't answer the question?
===
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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