BCT Trail Work Day

02-12-2007, 07:26 AM

Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail
system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on
Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty
tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more
photos and the BCT website click below

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Gary

02-12-2007, 07:52 PM

\On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail
>system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on
>Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty
>tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more
>photos and the BCT website click below
>
>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat,
especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to
call yourselves "environmentalists"?!

>Gary
>
===
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
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02-12-2007, 07:57 PM

"GeeDubb" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:45d0953d$0$10577$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] m...
> Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail
> system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people
> on Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some
> pretty tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to
> more photos and the BCT website click below
>
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> Gary
>
>

A big thanks Gary, rode some of that trail X-Mas day. I spend time in
Prescott and will enjoy your guys hardwork soon.

Dean

02-12-2007, 08:41 PM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> wrote:
>
>> Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail
>> system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on
>> Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty
>> tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more
>> photos and the BCT website click below
>>
>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat,
> especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to
> call yourselves "environmentalists"?!

Doesn't it burn you up? How
about knowing you're
absolutely powerless to stop
it? How about knowing the
world laughs at you?

02-13-2007, 05:11 AM

>
>>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat,
> especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to
> call yourselves "environmentalists"?!

Mike,
Funny thing is, the article states that only about half of the people
there were Mountain Bikers. That means the other half were not. They were
demonstrating cooperation between groups.

The other half that were not mountain bikers, who were they? Were
they there for cheap thrills to? Probably not. Probably hikers,
equestrians and people who like to enjoy the outdoors. Not sitting inside,
angrily typing away on a computer to a bunch of people who ridicule you
every chance we get.

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02-13-2007, 06:35 AM

On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> Mike Vandeman wrote:
> > \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail
> >> system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on
> >> Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty
> >> tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more
> >> photos and the BCT website click below
>
> >>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
> > Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat,
> > especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to
> > call yourselves "environmentalists"?!
>
> Doesn't it burn you up? How
> about knowing you're
> absolutely powerless to stop
> it? How about knowing the
> world laughs at you?

Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different? You're talking
about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker,
mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't
bikers enjoy the outdoors. I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club
maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion
has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches,
bushes, etc. How is this any different?

Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make
new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the
impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but
that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down
trees.

And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area),
DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined
trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to
no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much
more overall damage.

You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness!

02-13-2007, 08:21 AM

Kernix wrote:
> On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail
>>>> system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on
>>>> Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty
>>>> tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more
>>>> photos and the BCT website click below
>>>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>>> Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat,
>>> especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to
>>> call yourselves "environmentalists"?!
>> Doesn't it burn you up? How
>> about knowing you're
>> absolutely powerless to stop
>> it? How about knowing the
>> world laughs at you?
>
> Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different? You're talking
> about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker,
> mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't
> bikers enjoy the outdoors. I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club
> maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion
> has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches,
> bushes, etc. How is this any different?
>
> Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make
> new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the
> impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but
> that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down
> trees.
>
> And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area),
> DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined
> trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to
> no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much
> more overall damage.
>
> You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness!
>

We never said it was. Try
reading some threads around
here. . . I'm also many of the
things above, and the problem
with MV is not that we don't
share, but that we enjoy at all.

02-14-2007, 07:59 PM

On 13 Feb 2007 07:35:33 -0800, "Kernix" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> > \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail
>> >> system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on
>> >> Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty
>> >> tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more
>> >> photos and the BCT website click below
>>
>> >>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>>
>> > Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat,
>> > especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to
>> > call yourselves "environmentalists"?!
>>
>> Doesn't it burn you up? How
>> about knowing you're
>> absolutely powerless to stop
>> it? How about knowing the
>> world laughs at you?
>
>Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different?

It's narrower. Hikers can pass each other in less space than two
bikers can pass each other (due to the handlebars).

You're talking
>about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker,
>mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't
>bikers enjoy the outdoors.

They CAN -- just like everyone else: on foot!

I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club
>maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion
>has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches,
>bushes, etc. How is this any different?
>
>Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make
>new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the
>impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but
>that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down
>trees.
>
>And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area),
>DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined
>trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to
>no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much
>more overall damage.
>
>You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness!

You make no sense whatsoever. How does a bike ban keep mountain bikers
out??????????????????????????????????? Idiot.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

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02-15-2007, 07:36 AM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On 13 Feb 2007 07:35:33 -0800, "Kernix" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>> \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail
>>>>> system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on
>>>>> Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty
>>>>> tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more
>>>>> photos and the BCT website click below
>>>>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>>>> Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat,
>>>> especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to
>>>> call yourselves "environmentalists"?!
>>> Doesn't it burn you up? How
>>> about knowing you're
>>> absolutely powerless to stop
>>> it? How about knowing the
>>> world laughs at you?
>> Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different?
>
> It's narrower. Hikers can pass each other in less space than two
> bikers can pass each other (due to the handlebars).

This is just incorrect. I've
been on countless biking and
hiking trails, and the
difference is negligible. Some
of the tightest trails I've
been on were for bikers and
hikers.

>
> You're talking
>> about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker,
>> mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't
>> bikers enjoy the outdoors.
>
> They CAN -- just like everyone else: on foot!

Mike, it's about time you
stopped posting this bull****
semantic argument. If you ban
the bikes, you ban mountain
bikers. When I'm on the trail
without my bike, I'm a hiker.
Douchebag.

>
> I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club
>> maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion
>> has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches,
>> bushes, etc. How is this any different?
>>
>> Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make
>> new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the
>> impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but
>> that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down
>> trees.
>>
>> And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area),
>> DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined
>> trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to
>> no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much
>> more overall damage.
>>
>> You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness!
>
> You make no sense whatsoever. How does a bike ban keep mountain bikers
> out??????????????????????????????????? Idiot.

Mike, it's about time you
stopped posting this bull****
semantic argument. If you ban
the bikes, you ban mountain
bikers. When I'm on the trail
without my bike, I'm a hiker.
Douchebag.

02-15-2007, 08:11 PM

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:36:10 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On 13 Feb 2007 07:35:33 -0800, "Kernix" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 13, 12:41 am, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>> \On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:43 -0700, "GeeDubb" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Some of you might remember me talking about the new Black Canyon Trail
>>>>>> system going in North of Phoenix. We had another great turnout of people on
>>>>>> Saturday cutting in another half mile or more of trail through some pretty
>>>>>> tough terrain. For a few pictures, a short write-up and links to more
>>>>>> photos and the BCT website click below
>>>>>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>>>>> Disgusting. Where do you get the right to destroy wildlife habitat,
>>>>> especially for cheap thrills like mountain biking? And you want to
>>>>> call yourselves "environmentalists"?!
>>>> Doesn't it burn you up? How
>>>> about knowing you're
>>>> absolutely powerless to stop
>>>> it? How about knowing the
>>>> world laughs at you?
>>> Wait a minute - how is a hiking trail any different?
>>
>> It's narrower. Hikers can pass each other in less space than two
>> bikers can pass each other (due to the handlebars).
>
>This is just incorrect. I've
>been on countless biking and
>hiking trails, and the
>difference is negligible.

So you admit that there is a difference -- as I said! QED

Some
>of the tightest trails I've
>been on were for bikers and
>hikers.
>
>>
>> You're talking
>>> about a trail that is not that wide is such a large area? I'm a hiker,
>>> mtn biker, canoer, orienteer, camper and soon to be sailor - why can't
>>> bikers enjoy the outdoors.
>>
>> They CAN -- just like everyone else: on foot!
>
>Mike, it's about time you
>stopped posting this bull****
>semantic argument. If you ban
>the bikes, you ban mountain
>bikers. When I'm on the trail
>without my bike, I'm a hiker.
>Douchebag.
>
>>
>> I mean the Appalachian Mountain Club
>>> maintains the miles of trail every year - each year debris or erosion
>>> has to be cleared/fixed, as well as trimming back of weeds, branches,
>>> bushes, etc. How is this any different?
>>>
>>> Now you can come back with an argument that some mtn bikers will make
>>> new paths for challenges - true - some who don't think about the
>>> impact, idiots - I personally wouldn't veer off the trails - but
>>> that's right up there with campers/hikers who leave trash or cut down
>>> trees.
>>>
>>> And I'd rather see a THIN (in comparison to the entire park/area),
>>> DEFINED bike trail than no trail at all - at least with a defined
>>> trail, the majority of bikers will stick to the trail - as opposed to
>>> no trail and every biker making there own trail and thus doing much
>>> more overall damage.
>>>
>>> You guys have to get a clue - it's just not your wilderness!
>>
>> You make no sense whatsoever. How does a bike ban keep mountain bikers
>> out??????????????????????????????????? Idiot.
>
>Mike, it's about time you
>stopped posting this bull****
>semantic argument. If you ban
>the bikes, you ban mountain
>bikers. When I'm on the trail
>without my bike, I'm a hiker.
>Douchebag.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

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