Eco terrorist Mike's friend caught. - Page 3

02-06-2007, 07:17 AM

On 5 Feb 2007 23:21:35 -0800, "Beej" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Feb 5, 5:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>> >Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
>> >human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>>
>> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
>> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>
>One of them is covered by California Penal Code section 187, and the
>other is not.

One of them is covered by the ESA, and the other one is covered by
vermin statutes.

>That'll be $12, please.
>
>-Beej
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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02-06-2007, 07:18 AM

On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:16:24 -0800, "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com>
wrote:

>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:39:02 -0500, "S Curtiss" <stevecurtiss@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> >news:imdds2d3an2jmt4o4272j7j2lpofe3t597@4ax.com.. .
>> >> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>J wrote:
>> >>>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>> >>>
>> >>>The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder
>included.
>> >>
>> >> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>> >> nothing of it.
>> >
>> >"Murder"...? Murder is premeditated. One story you posted some time back
>was
>> >an accident involving equestrians and cyclists meeting on a trail and was
>> >reported with skewed language
>> >referring to the bicycles as a "strange metal beast". The other openly
>> >refers to the MAJORITY of cyclists as responsible taking into account the
>> >unjustified categorizing of ALL cyclists.
>> >
>> >Both incidents were reported originally as unfortunate and accidents. Yet
>> >you interject "murder"...?
>>
>> By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>> mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>
>By driving without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>drivers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>
>By working without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>workers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>
>Interesting how your twisted mind sees "murder" where everyone else
>(including the legal system) sees "accident".

Reckless riding is not an accident. DUH!

>GG
>
>>
>> >And this to justify a terrorist whose actions could have killed and did
>> >cause serious injury to human beings...?
>> >
>> >PATHETIC!!!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>fond of!
>>
>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

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02-06-2007, 07:49 AM

"Mike Vandeman" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> On 5 Feb 2007 23:21:35 -0800, "Beej" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 5, 5:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>> >Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
>>> >human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>>>
>>> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
>>> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>>
>>One of them is covered by California Penal Code section 187, and the
>>other is not.
>
> One of them is covered by the ESA, and the other one is covered by
> vermin statutes.

Unless the snake is Federally listed as either an Endangered or Threatened
Species then it is not covered under the Endangered Species Act.

02-06-2007, 07:57 AM

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:39:02 -0500, "S Curtiss" <stevecurtiss@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>>J wrote:
>>>>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>>>>>
>>>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>>>
>>>>The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder
>>>>included.
>>>
>>> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>>> nothing of it.
>>
>>"Murder"...? Murder is premeditated. One story you posted some time back
>>was
>>an accident involving equestrians and cyclists meeting on a trail and was
>>reported with skewed language
>>referring to the bicycles as a "strange metal beast". The other openly
>>refers to the MAJORITY of cyclists as responsible taking into account the
>>unjustified categorizing of ALL cyclists.
>>
>>Both incidents were reported originally as unfortunate and accidents. Yet
>>you interject "murder"...?
>
> By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
> mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
Your subjective and inclusive statement "mountain bikers deliberately kill
them" is simply an extension of your OPINION of off-road cycling and hardly
carries any meaning concerning the riding habits and conservation goals of
the off-road cycling community.
There is absolutely NO evidence gathered by any research that shows cyclists
are riding to deliberately kill anything.

Produce EVIDENCE from a scientific source showing all mountain bikers are on
the trail to deliberately kill anything, or by not doing so, acknowledge you
are simply lying and spouting an unfounded opinion generated by your own
hatred of the activity.
>
>>And this to justify a terrorist whose actions could have killed and did
>>cause serious injury to human beings...?
>>
>>PATHETIC!!!!!!
>>

02-06-2007, 08:05 AM

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:27:01 -0500, "S Curtiss" <stevecurtiss@cox.net>
> wrote:
>>>>>>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>>>>> The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder
>>>>>> included.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>>>>> nothing of it.
>>>>
>>>>Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
>>>
>>> I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
>>> blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
>>"several..."? Liar. You have two stories on your site. They were both
>>originally reported as accidents on shared trails. "Murder" is
>>premeditated.
>
> Not necessarily, which you well know, liar.
The term "murder" implies direct and purposefull intent to kill. The matter
of degree is decided through evidence.
The stories you posted on horses report no evidence of intent.
>
An accident is unfortunate. PATHETIC is your silly assumptions of "murder"
when the news stories list them as accidents.
>>>
>>>>Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
>>>>human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>>>
>>> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
>>> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>>You can't even provide actual and verifiable evidence of a snake killed by
>>a
>>mountain biker. Anything else you say is already suspect. (Has been for 10
>>years...)
>
> Answer the question.
There is no question - merely an assumption on your part that off-road
cycling is destructive.
The existence of a snake, or any beneficial qualities attributed to a snake,
has little to do with any qualities you choose to imply onto off-road
cyclists.
>
>>Besides... All you are doing is further aligning yourself with this
>>terrorist. No surprise there. either. You have praised trail terrorism and
>>booby-traps several times in the past. The only thing seperating you from
>>them is your cowardice to openly advocate it.
>>

02-06-2007, 08:36 AM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:39:37 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:40:11 -0800, cc <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> J wrote:
>>>>>>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>>>>> The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder included.
>>>>> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>>>>> nothing of it.
>>>> Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
>>> I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
>>> blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
>> well, besides the obvious skew here, these events are extremely few and
>> far between. but you knew that.
>
> Not due to any concern of mountain bikers. They ride recklessly
> regardless of who is on the trail.
>

Mike, this is pretty typical.
Cognitive bias, proof by
example, and proof by
assertion. No wonder you never
published. Looks like the only
thing you learned is how to
string together logical fallacies.

>>>> Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
>>>> human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>>> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
>>> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>>>
>> you proved my point, you sick ****.
>
> You didn't answer the question.
>

One is HUMAN, you idiot. Not
to mention the INTENT of the
murderer stringing booby-traps
for them.

02-06-2007, 10:54 AM

On Feb 6, 8:49 am, "Pete Rissler" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].nv.us>
wrote:
> Unless the snake is Federally listed as either an Endangered or Threatened
> Species then it is not covered under the Endangered Species Act.

Yes, but if "more than 0" species are covered, it means that it's
"common" for species to be covered.

-Beej

02-06-2007, 11:22 AM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Mike Vandeman <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>
> By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
> mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>

No MIkey, that is NOT Murder, it is Manslaughter, and that is a Totally
Different Offense.....

Just where did you get you DR of JurASSprudence.... LawSchools R' Us.....

> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond
> of!
>
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Me a long time Mikey basher..........

02-06-2007, 11:49 AM

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:16:24 -0800, "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>news

f6gs21fh1mri5i4311rvuffpkr520jmqh@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:39:02 -0500, "S Curtiss" <stevecurtiss@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>> >news:imdds2d3an2jmt4o4272j7j2lpofe3t597@4ax.com.. .
>>> >> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>J wrote:
>>> >>>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder
>>included.
>>> >>
>>> >> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>>> >> nothing of it.
>>> >
>>> >"Murder"...? Murder is premeditated. One story you posted some time
>>> >back
>>was
>>> >an accident involving equestrians and cyclists meeting on a trail and
>>> >was
>>> >reported with skewed language
>>> >referring to the bicycles as a "strange metal beast". The other openly
>>> >refers to the MAJORITY of cyclists as responsible taking into account
>>> >the
>>> >unjustified categorizing of ALL cyclists.
>>> >
>>> >Both incidents were reported originally as unfortunate and accidents.
>>> >Yet
>>> >you interject "murder"...?
>>>
>>> By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>>> mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>>
>>By driving without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>>drivers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>>
>>By working without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>>workers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>>
>>Interesting how your twisted mind sees "murder" where everyone else
>>(including the legal system) sees "accident".
>
> Reckless riding is not an accident. DUH!
>
>>GG
>>
>>>
>>> >And this to justify a terrorist whose actions could have killed and did
>>> >cause serious injury to human beings...?
>>> >
>>> >PATHETIC!!!!!!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> ===
>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>
>>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>>fond of!
>>>
>>> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
> fond of!
>
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

HA!

You guys keep feeding...................

02-06-2007, 12:38 PM

On Feb 5, 12:57 pm, "Marty" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> >"TJ" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> >news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
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>
> People like this goober never believe they are vulnerable. They believe they
> can set a trap like stretch a wire and if somebody gets hurt or worse that
> it ends there and they've made a statement in their cause. What they fail to
> understand (and yes this is fair warning) is that if they hurt someone in
> such a way there is a very good chance they will get "hurt back". I can
> guarantee you that if somebody stretches a wire and hurts one my own in such
> a way he's written his own ticket to a bad place.
>
> Marty

Damn Skippy!

JD