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01-05-2005, 09:47 PM

Steven M. Scharf Wrote:
> SlowRider wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > You're welcome to hate whomever you wish, of course. The Sierra Club
> > certainly has its share of flakes and that article does include some
> > stupid comments, but not all chapters or members are the same.
>
> I currently live with a member, and I can attest that some are not all
> together, if you catch my drift.
> I have nothing against the organization in general other than it has
> backed or instigated a great deal of anti mountain bike in the name of
> environment lawsuits that cost IMBA big hassles and big buck. Claiming
> that a couple of 2,000 lb pointy hoofed horses is environmentally
> 'freindly'. Such illogic irks me.

--
Conniebiker

01-05-2005, 09:47 PM

Steven M. Scharf Wrote:
> SlowRider wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > You're welcome to hate whomever you wish, of course. The Sierra Club
> > certainly has its share of flakes and that article does include some
> > stupid comments, but not all chapters or members are the same.
>
> I currently live with a member, and I can attest that some are not all
> together, if you catch my drift.
> I have nothing against the organization in general other than it has
> backed or instigated a great deal of anti mountain bike in the name of
> environment lawsuits that cost IMBA big hassles and big buck. Claiming
> that a couple of 2,000 lb pointy hoofed horses is environmentally
> 'freindly'. Such illogic irks me.

--
Conniebiker

01-05-2005, 09:47 PM

Steven M. Scharf Wrote:
> SlowRider wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > You're welcome to hate whomever you wish, of course. The Sierra Club
> > certainly has its share of flakes and that article does include some
> > stupid comments, but not all chapters or members are the same.
>
> I currently live with a member, and I can attest that some are not all
> together, if you catch my drift.
> I have nothing against the organization in general other than it has
> backed or instigated a great deal of anti mountain bike in the name of
> environment lawsuits that cost IMBA big hassles and big buck. Claiming
> that a couple of 2,000 lb pointy hoofed horses is environmentally
> 'freindly'. Such illogic irks me.

--
Conniebiker

01-05-2005, 11:17 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, sonicechoes-
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...

> It isn't surprising that riding drunk leads to accidents. Balance is
> pretty damn important to riding a bike and I bet it goes ride down the
> tubes when you drink. Is it possible that 1/4 bicycle accidents
> involves a tipsy rider? Who checks to see? I don't think breathalyzer
> testing is required for a bike rider.

Bicycling while intoxicated is illegal, so breath tests can be used, but
I doubt they're as rigorous about it as they are with car accidents.

Still, the numbers aren't at all surprising -- people here might not call
them "cyclists," but many people who lose their licenses after repeated
DUIs will then ride a bicycle to the bar or the liquor store instead.

--
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] is Joshua Putnam
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/>
Books for Bicycle Mechanics and Tinkerers:
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/bike/bikebooks.html>

01-05-2005, 11:17 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, sonicechoes-
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...

> It isn't surprising that riding drunk leads to accidents. Balance is
> pretty damn important to riding a bike and I bet it goes ride down the
> tubes when you drink. Is it possible that 1/4 bicycle accidents
> involves a tipsy rider? Who checks to see? I don't think breathalyzer
> testing is required for a bike rider.

Bicycling while intoxicated is illegal, so breath tests can be used, but
I doubt they're as rigorous about it as they are with car accidents.

Still, the numbers aren't at all surprising -- people here might not call
them "cyclists," but many people who lose their licenses after repeated
DUIs will then ride a bicycle to the bar or the liquor store instead.

--
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] is Joshua Putnam
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/>
Books for Bicycle Mechanics and Tinkerers:
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/bike/bikebooks.html>

01-05-2005, 11:17 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, sonicechoes-
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...

> It isn't surprising that riding drunk leads to accidents. Balance is
> pretty damn important to riding a bike and I bet it goes ride down the
> tubes when you drink. Is it possible that 1/4 bicycle accidents
> involves a tipsy rider? Who checks to see? I don't think breathalyzer
> testing is required for a bike rider.

Bicycling while intoxicated is illegal, so breath tests can be used, but
I doubt they're as rigorous about it as they are with car accidents.

Still, the numbers aren't at all surprising -- people here might not call
them "cyclists," but many people who lose their licenses after repeated
DUIs will then ride a bicycle to the bar or the liquor store instead.

--
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] is Joshua Putnam
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/>
Books for Bicycle Mechanics and Tinkerers:
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/bike/bikebooks.html>

01-05-2005, 11:17 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, sonicechoes-
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...

> It isn't surprising that riding drunk leads to accidents. Balance is
> pretty damn important to riding a bike and I bet it goes ride down the
> tubes when you drink. Is it possible that 1/4 bicycle accidents
> involves a tipsy rider? Who checks to see? I don't think breathalyzer
> testing is required for a bike rider.

Bicycling while intoxicated is illegal, so breath tests can be used, but
I doubt they're as rigorous about it as they are with car accidents.

Still, the numbers aren't at all surprising -- people here might not call
them "cyclists," but many people who lose their licenses after repeated
DUIs will then ride a bicycle to the bar or the liquor store instead.

--
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] is Joshua Putnam
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/>
Books for Bicycle Mechanics and Tinkerers:
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/bike/bikebooks.html>

01-06-2005, 06:14 AM

On 5 Jan 2005 13:31:24 -0800, "gds" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>
>dgk wrote:
>> On 5 Jan 2005 12:15:10 -0800, "SlowRider" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>> wrote:
....
>Last week we had a particularly grisly episode in which a cyclist was
>riding on the shoulder of I-10 at night without lights and got hit by
>several vehicles. The body was so ripped up that it took two days to
>determine its gender!
>Even I, who always wears a helmet, would concede that a helmet would
>not have been of much use. But lights and some judgement - (there is a
>frontage road along that section of the interstate)
>

I once, when young and foolish, hitched along an interstate. The wind
caused by passing trucks could blow a biker right off the shoulder.
You really have to be nuts, or drunk, to try that.

01-06-2005, 06:14 AM

On 5 Jan 2005 13:31:24 -0800, "gds" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>
>dgk wrote:
>> On 5 Jan 2005 12:15:10 -0800, "SlowRider" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>> wrote:
....
>Last week we had a particularly grisly episode in which a cyclist was
>riding on the shoulder of I-10 at night without lights and got hit by
>several vehicles. The body was so ripped up that it took two days to
>determine its gender!
>Even I, who always wears a helmet, would concede that a helmet would
>not have been of much use. But lights and some judgement - (there is a
>frontage road along that section of the interstate)
>

I once, when young and foolish, hitched along an interstate. The wind
caused by passing trucks could blow a biker right off the shoulder.
You really have to be nuts, or drunk, to try that.

01-06-2005, 06:14 AM

On 5 Jan 2005 13:31:24 -0800, "gds" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>
>dgk wrote:
>> On 5 Jan 2005 12:15:10 -0800, "SlowRider" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>> wrote:
....
>Last week we had a particularly grisly episode in which a cyclist was
>riding on the shoulder of I-10 at night without lights and got hit by
>several vehicles. The body was so ripped up that it took two days to
>determine its gender!
>Even I, who always wears a helmet, would concede that a helmet would
>not have been of much use. But lights and some judgement - (there is a
>frontage road along that section of the interstate)
>

I once, when young and foolish, hitched along an interstate. The wind
caused by passing trucks could blow a biker right off the shoulder.
You really have to be nuts, or drunk, to try that.