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01-14-2005, 12:27 PM

Maggie wrote:
> RonSonic wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:31:39 GMT, "chris c"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> wrote:
> >
> > >I am a newbie. Just got into cycling last summer (again) but did
it
> when I
> > >was younger (10 yrs. ago). I am trying to do at least 10 miles per
> day now.
> > >I did more during the summer sometimes. Schedules are so hectic of
> course. I
> > >ususally use a stationary cause of the crappy weather. I am
riding
> a
> > >comfort bike but would like to get a racer this spring. I used a
> cannondale
> > >racer in my younger days when 50 mile rides were nothing. I lost a
> lot of
> > >weight since summer which keeps me very interested and I feel
great!
> > >My first question is ... how long does it take to get some leg
> muscle
> > >definition? My legs are not muscular, but they are skinny now. I
try
> to use
> > >a harder setting on the bike sometimes. Does this increase muscle
> faster?
> > >Second question..... Can you overdo a workout by getting your
heart
> rate up
> > >too fast (ex: heart attack) ? Sometimes I push myself hard , I
think
> almost
> > >to the limit. I never get faint , but I think I get borderline
dizzy
> > >sometimes.
> >
> > How long's a string and can it be too long?
> >
> > Just how old are ya and what kinda shape are you in?
> >
> > Not that I could give you any specifics anyway, but it's good to
know
> whether
> > we're talking about a 40yo in crappy shape or a 55yo in pretty good
> shape.
> >
> > At 49 and recovering from many years off the bike there are a few
> things I can
> > tell you. First your recovery will suck compared to years ago. I
can
> get great
> > benefits from 2 intense rides a week, much more than that just
makes
> me sore
> > without any resulting strength or speed payoff. Might as well just
> whack my legs
> > with a stick for all the good it does. At least not more than two
> weeks in a
> > row.
> >
> > And it is intensity that you need to increase muscularity and
> strength. Making
> > circles with your feet, fast or slow will not do it. There's
cycling
> training
> > tips and advice all over the internet, some of it actually makes
> sense and
> > works. Google.
> >
> > When I first started back on the bike last year I had recently quit
> smoking
> > (again) and the game was having my cardio and legs take turns being
> the weaker
> > link. At one point I got into good enough shape that I needed more
> leg to work
> > the CP system hard enough to really feel it. I'm riding 4-5 times a
> week and 2
> > of those are usually some sort of high intensity work like sprints
or
> intervals.
> > I'll only do one day of intensity if I do something otherwise
> draining that week
> > like an extremely long ride. Or three days of intense work if I
know
> I won't be
> > pushing it the next week. I think that's probably the sort of
thing
> you're
> > ready for, get in some strength and speed work.
> >
> > As for heart attack risks, hell if I know. My guess is that if
you've
> been
> > pedaling hard enough to max out the heart rate and start losing
> composure
> > without dying by now you're probably okay. I do suggest that you
keep
> that sort
> > of thing on the trainer until your bike handling skills are back to
> expert.
> > That's how people get hurt, out riding their brain's oxygen supply.
> >
> > You know the standard warning "Do not begin this or any other
> exercise program
> > without the advice of a physician." Well I figure I didn't ask a
> doctor before
> > taking up chain smoking and a sedentary lifestyle, I don't figure I
> need his
> > permission to get back in shape. If I'm going to keel over from a
> heart attack
> > rather it be after a ride I enjoyed than a cardio stress test that
I
> had to pay
> > money for.
> >
> > Ron
>
>
> Hey, a nuclear cardio stress test is a great thing. My brother was a
> chain smoker all his life...he decided to go for the test and they
> found two blocked arteries. He would have had a heart attack. They
> roto rootered the blockages and now he is fine. I would never
suggest
> anyone do anything without getting a stress test first if they are
over
> 40. I have another friend who never smoked, he is active, he lives a
> decent lifestyle of exercise and diet and he had two blockages as
well.
> He is only 44 years old. He had the blockages cleared and now he is
> back to exercising. They both prevented heart attacks by getting
that
> test. It's fairly easy to go in and roto rooter a blockage to
prevent
> a heart attack down the road. Its not that easy recovering from a
> massive one. A little prevention is a good thing. Go getted Nuked
in
> that stress test. This is your Mommy speaking. Its a few hours out
of
> your life and could save your life. Now that you changed your life
> around, you want to keep living, don't you?
> Maggie.

Funny, you go get the test and they find problems and they fix them.
But where were the symptoms? There's some data coming out that all this
intervention leads to very little improvement in life expectancy but a
big improvement in the interventionists bank account.
Sure, if you have problems intervention works-but there is a lot of
evidence that the number of surgeries is more related to the number of
surgeons than to the incidence of desease. (And I hereby lump invasive
cardiologists in with the surgeon even though they are technically not)

01-14-2005, 12:27 PM

Maggie wrote:
> RonSonic wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:31:39 GMT, "chris c"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> wrote:
> >
> > >I am a newbie. Just got into cycling last summer (again) but did
it
> when I
> > >was younger (10 yrs. ago). I am trying to do at least 10 miles per
> day now.
> > >I did more during the summer sometimes. Schedules are so hectic of
> course. I
> > >ususally use a stationary cause of the crappy weather. I am
riding
> a
> > >comfort bike but would like to get a racer this spring. I used a
> cannondale
> > >racer in my younger days when 50 mile rides were nothing. I lost a
> lot of
> > >weight since summer which keeps me very interested and I feel
great!
> > >My first question is ... how long does it take to get some leg
> muscle
> > >definition? My legs are not muscular, but they are skinny now. I
try
> to use
> > >a harder setting on the bike sometimes. Does this increase muscle
> faster?
> > >Second question..... Can you overdo a workout by getting your
heart
> rate up
> > >too fast (ex: heart attack) ? Sometimes I push myself hard , I
think
> almost
> > >to the limit. I never get faint , but I think I get borderline
dizzy
> > >sometimes.
> >
> > How long's a string and can it be too long?
> >
> > Just how old are ya and what kinda shape are you in?
> >
> > Not that I could give you any specifics anyway, but it's good to
know
> whether
> > we're talking about a 40yo in crappy shape or a 55yo in pretty good
> shape.
> >
> > At 49 and recovering from many years off the bike there are a few
> things I can
> > tell you. First your recovery will suck compared to years ago. I
can
> get great
> > benefits from 2 intense rides a week, much more than that just
makes
> me sore
> > without any resulting strength or speed payoff. Might as well just
> whack my legs
> > with a stick for all the good it does. At least not more than two
> weeks in a
> > row.
> >
> > And it is intensity that you need to increase muscularity and
> strength. Making
> > circles with your feet, fast or slow will not do it. There's
cycling
> training
> > tips and advice all over the internet, some of it actually makes
> sense and
> > works. Google.
> >
> > When I first started back on the bike last year I had recently quit
> smoking
> > (again) and the game was having my cardio and legs take turns being
> the weaker
> > link. At one point I got into good enough shape that I needed more
> leg to work
> > the CP system hard enough to really feel it. I'm riding 4-5 times a
> week and 2
> > of those are usually some sort of high intensity work like sprints
or
> intervals.
> > I'll only do one day of intensity if I do something otherwise
> draining that week
> > like an extremely long ride. Or three days of intense work if I
know
> I won't be
> > pushing it the next week. I think that's probably the sort of
thing
> you're
> > ready for, get in some strength and speed work.
> >
> > As for heart attack risks, hell if I know. My guess is that if
you've
> been
> > pedaling hard enough to max out the heart rate and start losing
> composure
> > without dying by now you're probably okay. I do suggest that you
keep
> that sort
> > of thing on the trainer until your bike handling skills are back to
> expert.
> > That's how people get hurt, out riding their brain's oxygen supply.
> >
> > You know the standard warning "Do not begin this or any other
> exercise program
> > without the advice of a physician." Well I figure I didn't ask a
> doctor before
> > taking up chain smoking and a sedentary lifestyle, I don't figure I
> need his
> > permission to get back in shape. If I'm going to keel over from a
> heart attack
> > rather it be after a ride I enjoyed than a cardio stress test that
I
> had to pay
> > money for.
> >
> > Ron
>
>
> Hey, a nuclear cardio stress test is a great thing. My brother was a
> chain smoker all his life...he decided to go for the test and they
> found two blocked arteries. He would have had a heart attack. They
> roto rootered the blockages and now he is fine. I would never
suggest
> anyone do anything without getting a stress test first if they are
over
> 40. I have another friend who never smoked, he is active, he lives a
> decent lifestyle of exercise and diet and he had two blockages as
well.
> He is only 44 years old. He had the blockages cleared and now he is
> back to exercising. They both prevented heart attacks by getting
that
> test. It's fairly easy to go in and roto rooter a blockage to
prevent
> a heart attack down the road. Its not that easy recovering from a
> massive one. A little prevention is a good thing. Go getted Nuked
in
> that stress test. This is your Mommy speaking. Its a few hours out
of
> your life and could save your life. Now that you changed your life
> around, you want to keep living, don't you?
> Maggie.

Funny, you go get the test and they find problems and they fix them.
But where were the symptoms? There's some data coming out that all this
intervention leads to very little improvement in life expectancy but a
big improvement in the interventionists bank account.
Sure, if you have problems intervention works-but there is a lot of
evidence that the number of surgeries is more related to the number of
surgeons than to the incidence of desease. (And I hereby lump invasive
cardiologists in with the surgeon even though they are technically not)

01-14-2005, 12:31 PM

gds wrote:
> Maggie wrote:
> > RonSonic wrote:
> > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:31:39 GMT, "chris c"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >I am a newbie. Just got into cycling last summer (again) but
did
> it
> > when I
> > > >was younger (10 yrs. ago). I am trying to do at least 10 miles
per
> > day now.
> > > >I did more during the summer sometimes. Schedules are so hectic
of
> > course. I
> > > >ususally use a stationary cause of the crappy weather. I am
> riding
> > a
> > > >comfort bike but would like to get a racer this spring. I used a
> > cannondale
> > > >racer in my younger days when 50 mile rides were nothing. I lost
a
> > lot of
> > > >weight since summer which keeps me very interested and I feel
> great!
> > > >My first question is ... how long does it take to get some leg
> > muscle
> > > >definition? My legs are not muscular, but they are skinny now. I
> try
> > to use
> > > >a harder setting on the bike sometimes. Does this increase
muscle
> > faster?
> > > >Second question..... Can you overdo a workout by getting your
> heart
> > rate up
> > > >too fast (ex: heart attack) ? Sometimes I push myself hard , I
> think
> > almost
> > > >to the limit. I never get faint , but I think I get borderline
> dizzy
> > > >sometimes.
> > >
> > > How long's a string and can it be too long?
> > >
> > > Just how old are ya and what kinda shape are you in?
> > >
> > > Not that I could give you any specifics anyway, but it's good to
> know
> > whether
> > > we're talking about a 40yo in crappy shape or a 55yo in pretty
good
> > shape.
> > >
> > > At 49 and recovering from many years off the bike there are a few
> > things I can
> > > tell you. First your recovery will suck compared to years ago. I
> can
> > get great
> > > benefits from 2 intense rides a week, much more than that just
> makes
> > me sore
> > > without any resulting strength or speed payoff. Might as well
just
> > whack my legs
> > > with a stick for all the good it does. At least not more than two
> > weeks in a
> > > row.
> > >
> > > And it is intensity that you need to increase muscularity and
> > strength. Making
> > > circles with your feet, fast or slow will not do it. There's
> cycling
> > training
> > > tips and advice all over the internet, some of it actually makes
> > sense and
> > > works. Google.
> > >
> > > When I first started back on the bike last year I had recently
quit
> > smoking
> > > (again) and the game was having my cardio and legs take turns
being
> > the weaker
> > > link. At one point I got into good enough shape that I needed
more
> > leg to work
> > > the CP system hard enough to really feel it. I'm riding 4-5 times
a
> > week and 2
> > > of those are usually some sort of high intensity work like
sprints
> or
> > intervals.
> > > I'll only do one day of intensity if I do something otherwise
> > draining that week
> > > like an extremely long ride. Or three days of intense work if I
> know
> > I won't be
> > > pushing it the next week. I think that's probably the sort of
> thing
> > you're
> > > ready for, get in some strength and speed work.
> > >
> > > As for heart attack risks, hell if I know. My guess is that if
> you've
> > been
> > > pedaling hard enough to max out the heart rate and start losing
> > composure
> > > without dying by now you're probably okay. I do suggest that you
> keep
> > that sort
> > > of thing on the trainer until your bike handling skills are back
to
> > expert.
> > > That's how people get hurt, out riding their brain's oxygen
supply.
> > >
> > > You know the standard warning "Do not begin this or any other
> > exercise program
> > > without the advice of a physician." Well I figure I didn't ask a
> > doctor before
> > > taking up chain smoking and a sedentary lifestyle, I don't figure
I
> > need his
> > > permission to get back in shape. If I'm going to keel over from a
> > heart attack
> > > rather it be after a ride I enjoyed than a cardio stress test
that
> I
> > had to pay
> > > money for.
> > >
> > > Ron
> >
> >
> > Hey, a nuclear cardio stress test is a great thing. My brother was
a
> > chain smoker all his life...he decided to go for the test and they
> > found two blocked arteries. He would have had a heart attack.
They
> > roto rootered the blockages and now he is fine. I would never
> suggest
> > anyone do anything without getting a stress test first if they are
> over
> > 40. I have another friend who never smoked, he is active, he lives
a
> > decent lifestyle of exercise and diet and he had two blockages as
> well.
> > He is only 44 years old. He had the blockages cleared and now he is
> > back to exercising. They both prevented heart attacks by getting
> that
> > test. It's fairly easy to go in and roto rooter a blockage to
> prevent
> > a heart attack down the road. Its not that easy recovering from a
> > massive one. A little prevention is a good thing. Go getted Nuked
> in
> > that stress test. This is your Mommy speaking. Its a few hours out
> of
> > your life and could save your life. Now that you changed your life
> > around, you want to keep living, don't you?
> > Maggie.
>
>
> Funny, you go get the test and they find problems and they fix them.
> But where were the symptoms? There's some data coming out that all
this
> intervention leads to very little improvement in life expectancy but
a
> big improvement in the interventionists bank account.
> Sure, if you have problems intervention works-but there is a lot of
> evidence that the number of surgeries is more related to the number
of
> surgeons than to the incidence of desease. (And I hereby lump
invasive
> cardiologists in with the surgeon even though they are technically
not)
Oh! and there is also evidence that the risk of a "cardio event" is not
very well correlated with the high blockage. In fact most such events
happen with blockage in the 40-60% range, a range in which most
cardiologists test will not register as a "problem"
There are real problems with cardiac desease. But there are also not so
valuable "interventions" and "solutions" Beware!

01-14-2005, 12:31 PM

gds wrote:
> Maggie wrote:
> > RonSonic wrote:
> > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:31:39 GMT, "chris c"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >I am a newbie. Just got into cycling last summer (again) but
did
> it
> > when I
> > > >was younger (10 yrs. ago). I am trying to do at least 10 miles
per
> > day now.
> > > >I did more during the summer sometimes. Schedules are so hectic
of
> > course. I
> > > >ususally use a stationary cause of the crappy weather. I am
> riding
> > a
> > > >comfort bike but would like to get a racer this spring. I used a
> > cannondale
> > > >racer in my younger days when 50 mile rides were nothing. I lost
a
> > lot of
> > > >weight since summer which keeps me very interested and I feel
> great!
> > > >My first question is ... how long does it take to get some leg
> > muscle
> > > >definition? My legs are not muscular, but they are skinny now. I
> try
> > to use
> > > >a harder setting on the bike sometimes. Does this increase
muscle
> > faster?
> > > >Second question..... Can you overdo a workout by getting your
> heart
> > rate up
> > > >too fast (ex: heart attack) ? Sometimes I push myself hard , I
> think
> > almost
> > > >to the limit. I never get faint , but I think I get borderline
> dizzy
> > > >sometimes.
> > >
> > > How long's a string and can it be too long?
> > >
> > > Just how old are ya and what kinda shape are you in?
> > >
> > > Not that I could give you any specifics anyway, but it's good to
> know
> > whether
> > > we're talking about a 40yo in crappy shape or a 55yo in pretty
good
> > shape.
> > >
> > > At 49 and recovering from many years off the bike there are a few
> > things I can
> > > tell you. First your recovery will suck compared to years ago. I
> can
> > get great
> > > benefits from 2 intense rides a week, much more than that just
> makes
> > me sore
> > > without any resulting strength or speed payoff. Might as well
just
> > whack my legs
> > > with a stick for all the good it does. At least not more than two
> > weeks in a
> > > row.
> > >
> > > And it is intensity that you need to increase muscularity and
> > strength. Making
> > > circles with your feet, fast or slow will not do it. There's
> cycling
> > training
> > > tips and advice all over the internet, some of it actually makes
> > sense and
> > > works. Google.
> > >
> > > When I first started back on the bike last year I had recently
quit
> > smoking
> > > (again) and the game was having my cardio and legs take turns
being
> > the weaker
> > > link. At one point I got into good enough shape that I needed
more
> > leg to work
> > > the CP system hard enough to really feel it. I'm riding 4-5 times
a
> > week and 2
> > > of those are usually some sort of high intensity work like
sprints
> or
> > intervals.
> > > I'll only do one day of intensity if I do something otherwise
> > draining that week
> > > like an extremely long ride. Or three days of intense work if I
> know
> > I won't be
> > > pushing it the next week. I think that's probably the sort of
> thing
> > you're
> > > ready for, get in some strength and speed work.
> > >
> > > As for heart attack risks, hell if I know. My guess is that if
> you've
> > been
> > > pedaling hard enough to max out the heart rate and start losing
> > composure
> > > without dying by now you're probably okay. I do suggest that you
> keep
> > that sort
> > > of thing on the trainer until your bike handling skills are back
to
> > expert.
> > > That's how people get hurt, out riding their brain's oxygen
supply.
> > >
> > > You know the standard warning "Do not begin this or any other
> > exercise program
> > > without the advice of a physician." Well I figure I didn't ask a
> > doctor before
> > > taking up chain smoking and a sedentary lifestyle, I don't figure
I
> > need his
> > > permission to get back in shape. If I'm going to keel over from a
> > heart attack
> > > rather it be after a ride I enjoyed than a cardio stress test
that
> I
> > had to pay
> > > money for.
> > >
> > > Ron
> >
> >
> > Hey, a nuclear cardio stress test is a great thing. My brother was
a
> > chain smoker all his life...he decided to go for the test and they
> > found two blocked arteries. He would have had a heart attack.
They
> > roto rootered the blockages and now he is fine. I would never
> suggest
> > anyone do anything without getting a stress test first if they are
> over
> > 40. I have another friend who never smoked, he is active, he lives
a
> > decent lifestyle of exercise and diet and he had two blockages as
> well.
> > He is only 44 years old. He had the blockages cleared and now he is
> > back to exercising. They both prevented heart attacks by getting
> that
> > test. It's fairly easy to go in and roto rooter a blockage to
> prevent
> > a heart attack down the road. Its not that easy recovering from a
> > massive one. A little prevention is a good thing. Go getted Nuked
> in
> > that stress test. This is your Mommy speaking. Its a few hours out
> of
> > your life and could save your life. Now that you changed your life
> > around, you want to keep living, don't you?
> > Maggie.
>
>
> Funny, you go get the test and they find problems and they fix them.
> But where were the symptoms? There's some data coming out that all
this
> intervention leads to very little improvement in life expectancy but
a
> big improvement in the interventionists bank account.
> Sure, if you have problems intervention works-but there is a lot of
> evidence that the number of surgeries is more related to the number
of
> surgeons than to the incidence of desease. (And I hereby lump
invasive
> cardiologists in with the surgeon even though they are technically
not)
Oh! and there is also evidence that the risk of a "cardio event" is not
very well correlated with the high blockage. In fact most such events
happen with blockage in the 40-60% range, a range in which most
cardiologists test will not register as a "problem"
There are real problems with cardiac desease. But there are also not so
valuable "interventions" and "solutions" Beware!

01-14-2005, 12:31 PM

gds wrote:
> Maggie wrote:
> > RonSonic wrote:
> > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:31:39 GMT, "chris c"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >I am a newbie. Just got into cycling last summer (again) but
did
> it
> > when I
> > > >was younger (10 yrs. ago). I am trying to do at least 10 miles
per
> > day now.
> > > >I did more during the summer sometimes. Schedules are so hectic
of
> > course. I
> > > >ususally use a stationary cause of the crappy weather. I am
> riding
> > a
> > > >comfort bike but would like to get a racer this spring. I used a
> > cannondale
> > > >racer in my younger days when 50 mile rides were nothing. I lost
a
> > lot of
> > > >weight since summer which keeps me very interested and I feel
> great!
> > > >My first question is ... how long does it take to get some leg
> > muscle
> > > >definition? My legs are not muscular, but they are skinny now. I
> try
> > to use
> > > >a harder setting on the bike sometimes. Does this increase
muscle
> > faster?
> > > >Second question..... Can you overdo a workout by getting your
> heart
> > rate up
> > > >too fast (ex: heart attack) ? Sometimes I push myself hard , I
> think
> > almost
> > > >to the limit. I never get faint , but I think I get borderline
> dizzy
> > > >sometimes.
> > >
> > > How long's a string and can it be too long?
> > >
> > > Just how old are ya and what kinda shape are you in?
> > >
> > > Not that I could give you any specifics anyway, but it's good to
> know
> > whether
> > > we're talking about a 40yo in crappy shape or a 55yo in pretty
good
> > shape.
> > >
> > > At 49 and recovering from many years off the bike there are a few
> > things I can
> > > tell you. First your recovery will suck compared to years ago. I
> can
> > get great
> > > benefits from 2 intense rides a week, much more than that just
> makes
> > me sore
> > > without any resulting strength or speed payoff. Might as well
just
> > whack my legs
> > > with a stick for all the good it does. At least not more than two
> > weeks in a
> > > row.
> > >
> > > And it is intensity that you need to increase muscularity and
> > strength. Making
> > > circles with your feet, fast or slow will not do it. There's
> cycling
> > training
> > > tips and advice all over the internet, some of it actually makes
> > sense and
> > > works. Google.
> > >
> > > When I first started back on the bike last year I had recently
quit
> > smoking
> > > (again) and the game was having my cardio and legs take turns
being
> > the weaker
> > > link. At one point I got into good enough shape that I needed
more
> > leg to work
> > > the CP system hard enough to really feel it. I'm riding 4-5 times
a
> > week and 2
> > > of those are usually some sort of high intensity work like
sprints
> or
> > intervals.
> > > I'll only do one day of intensity if I do something otherwise
> > draining that week
> > > like an extremely long ride. Or three days of intense work if I
> know
> > I won't be
> > > pushing it the next week. I think that's probably the sort of
> thing
> > you're
> > > ready for, get in some strength and speed work.
> > >
> > > As for heart attack risks, hell if I know. My guess is that if
> you've
> > been
> > > pedaling hard enough to max out the heart rate and start losing
> > composure
> > > without dying by now you're probably okay. I do suggest that you
> keep
> > that sort
> > > of thing on the trainer until your bike handling skills are back
to
> > expert.
> > > That's how people get hurt, out riding their brain's oxygen
supply.
> > >
> > > You know the standard warning "Do not begin this or any other
> > exercise program
> > > without the advice of a physician." Well I figure I didn't ask a
> > doctor before
> > > taking up chain smoking and a sedentary lifestyle, I don't figure
I
> > need his
> > > permission to get back in shape. If I'm going to keel over from a
> > heart attack
> > > rather it be after a ride I enjoyed than a cardio stress test
that
> I
> > had to pay
> > > money for.
> > >
> > > Ron
> >
> >
> > Hey, a nuclear cardio stress test is a great thing. My brother was
a
> > chain smoker all his life...he decided to go for the test and they
> > found two blocked arteries. He would have had a heart attack.
They
> > roto rootered the blockages and now he is fine. I would never
> suggest
> > anyone do anything without getting a stress test first if they are
> over
> > 40. I have another friend who never smoked, he is active, he lives
a
> > decent lifestyle of exercise and diet and he had two blockages as
> well.
> > He is only 44 years old. He had the blockages cleared and now he is
> > back to exercising. They both prevented heart attacks by getting
> that
> > test. It's fairly easy to go in and roto rooter a blockage to
> prevent
> > a heart attack down the road. Its not that easy recovering from a
> > massive one. A little prevention is a good thing. Go getted Nuked
> in
> > that stress test. This is your Mommy speaking. Its a few hours out
> of
> > your life and could save your life. Now that you changed your life
> > around, you want to keep living, don't you?
> > Maggie.
>
>
> Funny, you go get the test and they find problems and they fix them.
> But where were the symptoms? There's some data coming out that all
this
> intervention leads to very little improvement in life expectancy but
a
> big improvement in the interventionists bank account.
> Sure, if you have problems intervention works-but there is a lot of
> evidence that the number of surgeries is more related to the number
of
> surgeons than to the incidence of desease. (And I hereby lump
invasive
> cardiologists in with the surgeon even though they are technically
not)
Oh! and there is also evidence that the risk of a "cardio event" is not
very well correlated with the high blockage. In fact most such events
happen with blockage in the 40-60% range, a range in which most
cardiologists test will not register as a "problem"
There are real problems with cardiac desease. But there are also not so
valuable "interventions" and "solutions" Beware!

01-14-2005, 02:59 PM

gds wrote:
> Maggie wrote:
> <Massive snip>
>>your life and could save your life. Now that you changed your life
>>around, you want to keep living, don't you?
>>Maggie.
>
>
>
> Funny, you go get the test and they find problems and they fix them.
> But where were the symptoms? There's some data coming out that all this
> intervention leads to very little improvement in life expectancy but a
> big improvement in the interventionists bank account.
> Sure, if you have problems intervention works-but there is a lot of
> evidence that the number of surgeries is more related to the number of
> surgeons than to the incidence of desease. (And I hereby lump invasive
> cardiologists in with the surgeon even though they are technically not)
>
My wife, a smoker who won't get on anything less than a fast motorcycle
had a mild heart attack last year and wound up with a stent. It was
found during an MRI or something like that since they could not put her
through a stress test. That one week was $54,000. Just getting s stress
test (and maybe an MRI) is in the low thousands but it doesn't put you
in the hospital for a week. Since you are in the cardio facility if you
do have a heart attack during a stress test you are in the right place.
Getting a stent or 'roto rooter' they go up through an artery or vein in
the groin area and it will be very badly bruised and sore for about a
week. If you need 2 stents have them both done at once since an
additional stay at the hospital will set you back another $50K. As a non
smoker (ever) and an ex drinker (casual but not worth the dui I got
after a party at work) I just do it to the drop over point and I am 56,
5'7", and back up to 160 after these darn holidays. Nobody in my family
has ever died of a heart attack, but high BP and stokes bet most of us.
If I had my choice I would rather go out with a bang on the bike instead
of ****ting my britches at an old folks home.
The stress test (I took one about ten years ago) puts you on a treadmill
and they hook you to all the electronics to monitor and record the
electrical signals from your heart and they will run you up to the speed
where you are about ready to get spit out the back of the treadmill. Oh
and you have to get this barium stuff into you blood so be ready for
either a shot of goo or a glass of chalk tasting stuff.
If you want to be riding well into your hundreds get checked now before
you damage anything. My grandmother went to 100 and only died after
breaking a hip and winding up in one of those damned 'convalescent'
homes. Grandfather, stroke at 72, father stroke at 83 (heavy smoker),
Me, who knows, never smoked, quit my nightcaps, caffeine addict in the
AM, and love biking, hiking and running fast (sprints, not that stupid
jogging). 56 and loving it. Moved a bunch of heavy furniture yesterday
and felt like 18 again (no aches or pains) probably thanks to the
exercise. I couldn't have done that 5 years ago before I got serious
about getting back into shape.

On a final note, if your heart is in question, long, slow steady rides
will get you heart used to the idea that there is work to be done and it
will build up newer stronger veins. Same as a weightlifter has veins
popping out of his arms. You can increase the intensity at about 2 week
intervals until you get to the point where you can do some hard workouts
and get you heart rate up into the 70% to 100% range. Just do it in
steps to be safe. Your resting heart rate should go down, measured in
the morning before you get out of bed. If you have a unit, check your BP
and you wake up temperature also. I wake now with a BP of about 115/75
and an abnormally low temperature (95.2). Fully awake it is 125/85 and
my normal temp is 97.6. Sweat thresh hold is 98.6. Go figure, we are all
different. If it is relevant in anyway I am 56.25 and in better health
that I have been in at least ten years if not when I was 30 and a couch
potato.

I am not a doctor so the usual legal disclaimer goes in, this is just
advice based on my own experiences, and you should see you doctor at
reasonable intervals.
That was my long, but not book length post for the day.
Good luck with all,
Bill Baka, engineer with a @$$@#^* desk job.

01-14-2005, 02:59 PM

gds wrote:
> Maggie wrote:
> <Massive snip>
>>your life and could save your life. Now that you changed your life
>>around, you want to keep living, don't you?
>>Maggie.
>
>
>
> Funny, you go get the test and they find problems and they fix them.
> But where were the symptoms? There's some data coming out that all this
> intervention leads to very little improvement in life expectancy but a
> big improvement in the interventionists bank account.
> Sure, if you have problems intervention works-but there is a lot of
> evidence that the number of surgeries is more related to the number of
> surgeons than to the incidence of desease. (And I hereby lump invasive
> cardiologists in with the surgeon even though they are technically not)
>
My wife, a smoker who won't get on anything less than a fast motorcycle
had a mild heart attack last year and wound up with a stent. It was
found during an MRI or something like that since they could not put her
through a stress test. That one week was $54,000. Just getting s stress
test (and maybe an MRI) is in the low thousands but it doesn't put you
in the hospital for a week. Since you are in the cardio facility if you
do have a heart attack during a stress test you are in the right place.
Getting a stent or 'roto rooter' they go up through an artery or vein in
the groin area and it will be very badly bruised and sore for about a
week. If you need 2 stents have them both done at once since an
additional stay at the hospital will set you back another $50K. As a non
smoker (ever) and an ex drinker (casual but not worth the dui I got
after a party at work) I just do it to the drop over point and I am 56,
5'7", and back up to 160 after these darn holidays. Nobody in my family
has ever died of a heart attack, but high BP and stokes bet most of us.
If I had my choice I would rather go out with a bang on the bike instead
of ****ting my britches at an old folks home.
The stress test (I took one about ten years ago) puts you on a treadmill
and they hook you to all the electronics to monitor and record the
electrical signals from your heart and they will run you up to the speed
where you are about ready to get spit out the back of the treadmill. Oh
and you have to get this barium stuff into you blood so be ready for
either a shot of goo or a glass of chalk tasting stuff.
If you want to be riding well into your hundreds get checked now before
you damage anything. My grandmother went to 100 and only died after
breaking a hip and winding up in one of those damned 'convalescent'
homes. Grandfather, stroke at 72, father stroke at 83 (heavy smoker),
Me, who knows, never smoked, quit my nightcaps, caffeine addict in the
AM, and love biking, hiking and running fast (sprints, not that stupid
jogging). 56 and loving it. Moved a bunch of heavy furniture yesterday
and felt like 18 again (no aches or pains) probably thanks to the
exercise. I couldn't have done that 5 years ago before I got serious
about getting back into shape.

On a final note, if your heart is in question, long, slow steady rides
will get you heart used to the idea that there is work to be done and it
will build up newer stronger veins. Same as a weightlifter has veins
popping out of his arms. You can increase the intensity at about 2 week
intervals until you get to the point where you can do some hard workouts
and get you heart rate up into the 70% to 100% range. Just do it in
steps to be safe. Your resting heart rate should go down, measured in
the morning before you get out of bed. If you have a unit, check your BP
and you wake up temperature also. I wake now with a BP of about 115/75
and an abnormally low temperature (95.2). Fully awake it is 125/85 and
my normal temp is 97.6. Sweat thresh hold is 98.6. Go figure, we are all
different. If it is relevant in anyway I am 56.25 and in better health
that I have been in at least ten years if not when I was 30 and a couch
potato.

I am not a doctor so the usual legal disclaimer goes in, this is just
advice based on my own experiences, and you should see you doctor at
reasonable intervals.
That was my long, but not book length post for the day.
Good luck with all,
Bill Baka, engineer with a @$$@#^* desk job.

01-14-2005, 02:59 PM

gds wrote:
> Maggie wrote:
> <Massive snip>
>>your life and could save your life. Now that you changed your life
>>around, you want to keep living, don't you?
>>Maggie.
>
>
>
> Funny, you go get the test and they find problems and they fix them.
> But where were the symptoms? There's some data coming out that all this
> intervention leads to very little improvement in life expectancy but a
> big improvement in the interventionists bank account.
> Sure, if you have problems intervention works-but there is a lot of
> evidence that the number of surgeries is more related to the number of
> surgeons than to the incidence of desease. (And I hereby lump invasive
> cardiologists in with the surgeon even though they are technically not)
>
My wife, a smoker who won't get on anything less than a fast motorcycle
had a mild heart attack last year and wound up with a stent. It was
found during an MRI or something like that since they could not put her
through a stress test. That one week was $54,000. Just getting s stress
test (and maybe an MRI) is in the low thousands but it doesn't put you
in the hospital for a week. Since you are in the cardio facility if you
do have a heart attack during a stress test you are in the right place.
Getting a stent or 'roto rooter' they go up through an artery or vein in
the groin area and it will be very badly bruised and sore for about a
week. If you need 2 stents have them both done at once since an
additional stay at the hospital will set you back another $50K. As a non
smoker (ever) and an ex drinker (casual but not worth the dui I got
after a party at work) I just do it to the drop over point and I am 56,
5'7", and back up to 160 after these darn holidays. Nobody in my family
has ever died of a heart attack, but high BP and stokes bet most of us.
If I had my choice I would rather go out with a bang on the bike instead
of ****ting my britches at an old folks home.
The stress test (I took one about ten years ago) puts you on a treadmill
and they hook you to all the electronics to monitor and record the
electrical signals from your heart and they will run you up to the speed
where you are about ready to get spit out the back of the treadmill. Oh
and you have to get this barium stuff into you blood so be ready for
either a shot of goo or a glass of chalk tasting stuff.
If you want to be riding well into your hundreds get checked now before
you damage anything. My grandmother went to 100 and only died after
breaking a hip and winding up in one of those damned 'convalescent'
homes. Grandfather, stroke at 72, father stroke at 83 (heavy smoker),
Me, who knows, never smoked, quit my nightcaps, caffeine addict in the
AM, and love biking, hiking and running fast (sprints, not that stupid
jogging). 56 and loving it. Moved a bunch of heavy furniture yesterday
and felt like 18 again (no aches or pains) probably thanks to the
exercise. I couldn't have done that 5 years ago before I got serious
about getting back into shape.

On a final note, if your heart is in question, long, slow steady rides
will get you heart used to the idea that there is work to be done and it
will build up newer stronger veins. Same as a weightlifter has veins
popping out of his arms. You can increase the intensity at about 2 week
intervals until you get to the point where you can do some hard workouts
and get you heart rate up into the 70% to 100% range. Just do it in
steps to be safe. Your resting heart rate should go down, measured in
the morning before you get out of bed. If you have a unit, check your BP
and you wake up temperature also. I wake now with a BP of about 115/75
and an abnormally low temperature (95.2). Fully awake it is 125/85 and
my normal temp is 97.6. Sweat thresh hold is 98.6. Go figure, we are all
different. If it is relevant in anyway I am 56.25 and in better health
that I have been in at least ten years if not when I was 30 and a couch
potato.

I am not a doctor so the usual legal disclaimer goes in, this is just
advice based on my own experiences, and you should see you doctor at
reasonable intervals.
That was my long, but not book length post for the day.
Good luck with all,
Bill Baka, engineer with a @$$@#^* desk job.

01-15-2005, 05:39 AM

On 14 Jan 2005 11:02:25 -0800, "Maggie" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

<snip a lot of good advice>
ummm. maggie, take this the right way. please. i want to
read what you write. but these old eyes aren't so good.
could you break your responses into paragraphs?
that's all. thanks.
....thehick

01-15-2005, 05:39 AM

On 14 Jan 2005 11:02:25 -0800, "Maggie" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

<snip a lot of good advice>
ummm. maggie, take this the right way. please. i want to
read what you write. but these old eyes aren't so good.
could you break your responses into paragraphs?
that's all. thanks.
....thehick