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01-15-2005, 05:39 AM

On 14 Jan 2005 11:02:25 -0800, "Maggie" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

<snip a lot of good advice>
ummm. maggie, take this the right way. please. i want to
read what you write. but these old eyes aren't so good.
could you break your responses into paragraphs?
that's all. thanks.
....thehick

01-15-2005, 05:52 AM

OK maybe I feel 20. I was into the bad stuff as a teen up until my lower 20s
so I guess I do feel better than when I was 20. I ate crappy , smoked pot,
etc.

"Maggie" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:1105734181.232953.185120@c13g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>
> chris c wrote:
> > Actually I am 35 , but feel like 25.
> >
> > "Maggie" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > news:1105709590.268665.222010@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> > >
> > > chris c wrote:
> > > > I am a newbie. Just got into cycling last summer (again) but did
> it
> > > when I
> > > > was younger (10 yrs. ago). I am trying to do at least 10 miles
> per
> > > day now.
> > > > I did more during the summer sometimes. Schedules are so hectic
> of
> > > course. I
> > > > ususally use a stationary cause of the crappy weather. I am
> riding a
> > > > comfort bike but would like to get a racer this spring. I used a
> > > cannondale
> > > > racer in my younger days when 50 mile rides were nothing. I lost
> a
> > > lot of
> > > > weight since summer which keeps me very interested and I feel
> great!
> > > > My first question is ... how long does it take to get some leg
> muscle
> > > > definition? My legs are not muscular, but they are skinny now. I
> try
> > > to use
> > > > a harder setting on the bike sometimes. Does this increase muscle
> > > faster?
> > > > Second question..... Can you overdo a workout by getting your
> heart
> > > rate up
> > > > too fast (ex: heart attack) ? Sometimes I push myself hard , I
> think
> > > almost
> > > > to the limit. I never get faint , but I think I get borderline
> dizzy
> > > > sometimes.
> > > >
> > > > thanks a lot
> > >
> > >
> > > I would say go get a complete physical before you get into a heavy
> > > workout program. That was the first thing I did when I started
> > > exercising after a long period of time. If you are worried about a
> > > heart attack if you push too hard, you need a physical. Plus I
> don't
> > > think borderline dizzy is a good thing. I was told to stop
> exercising
> > > if I ever felt like that. Maybe I am wrong, but if I were you I
> would
> > > definately get a physical. Alot of things can change in 10 years. I
> > > don't know your definition of younger and older as you don't give
> your
> > > age....but if you are 40 or above, get a physical first. If you are
> > > only in your 20's or very early thirties, borderline dizzy could be
> > > nothing but pushing too hard. Get a physical anyway. But if you
> are 40
> > > or more....DEFINATELY GET A PHYSICAL. I know everyone on this NG
> > > reminds me that age is not that important..but in reality, age
> makes a
> > > big difference. No one is the same at 40 as he or she was in their
> > > twenties. I am assuming you are 40 or more because of the heart
> attack
> > > worry. Thats when most people start to think about it.
> > > Maggie.
> > >
>
>
>
> 35 feeling like 25? OK....I don't see alot of difference in that one.
> Now if you were 45 and felt 25....then I would say you were one lucky
> dude. Somehow I can't see much difference between 35 and 25. Maybe
> 35 and 20....or even 40 and 35....or...55 and 35...(get my drift?) I
> felt fabulous at 35. I think I started feeling and thinking about my
> age around 40. Plus every doctor visit would include...NOW THAT YOU ARE
> OVER 40 YADA YADA YADA.... Thats when I went into a major midlife
> crisis. I was 40 acting like a 20 year old. I have no clue how I
> survived my 40's. So when you are 40...let me know how you feel. A 35
> year old that feels 25 doesn't seem like such a big deal. My kids age
> from 22 to 30. I don't see any huge difference in them physically at
> this point. I truly believe 40 is a milestone thus, the midlife crisis.
> So be on the alert. At 40 you may revert to behaving like a teenager
> who does not want to grow up, but whose body is saying....hey, take
> care of me....I'm getting older...please!!!!!
> Maggie
>

01-15-2005, 05:52 AM

OK maybe I feel 20. I was into the bad stuff as a teen up until my lower 20s
so I guess I do feel better than when I was 20. I ate crappy , smoked pot,
etc.

"Maggie" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:1105734181.232953.185120@c13g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>
> chris c wrote:
> > Actually I am 35 , but feel like 25.
> >
> > "Maggie" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > news:1105709590.268665.222010@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> > >
> > > chris c wrote:
> > > > I am a newbie. Just got into cycling last summer (again) but did
> it
> > > when I
> > > > was younger (10 yrs. ago). I am trying to do at least 10 miles
> per
> > > day now.
> > > > I did more during the summer sometimes. Schedules are so hectic
> of
> > > course. I
> > > > ususally use a stationary cause of the crappy weather. I am
> riding a
> > > > comfort bike but would like to get a racer this spring. I used a
> > > cannondale
> > > > racer in my younger days when 50 mile rides were nothing. I lost
> a
> > > lot of
> > > > weight since summer which keeps me very interested and I feel
> great!
> > > > My first question is ... how long does it take to get some leg
> muscle
> > > > definition? My legs are not muscular, but they are skinny now. I
> try
> > > to use
> > > > a harder setting on the bike sometimes. Does this increase muscle
> > > faster?
> > > > Second question..... Can you overdo a workout by getting your
> heart
> > > rate up
> > > > too fast (ex: heart attack) ? Sometimes I push myself hard , I
> think
> > > almost
> > > > to the limit. I never get faint , but I think I get borderline
> dizzy
> > > > sometimes.
> > > >
> > > > thanks a lot
> > >
> > >
> > > I would say go get a complete physical before you get into a heavy
> > > workout program. That was the first thing I did when I started
> > > exercising after a long period of time. If you are worried about a
> > > heart attack if you push too hard, you need a physical. Plus I
> don't
> > > think borderline dizzy is a good thing. I was told to stop
> exercising
> > > if I ever felt like that. Maybe I am wrong, but if I were you I
> would
> > > definately get a physical. Alot of things can change in 10 years. I
> > > don't know your definition of younger and older as you don't give
> your
> > > age....but if you are 40 or above, get a physical first. If you are
> > > only in your 20's or very early thirties, borderline dizzy could be
> > > nothing but pushing too hard. Get a physical anyway. But if you
> are 40
> > > or more....DEFINATELY GET A PHYSICAL. I know everyone on this NG
> > > reminds me that age is not that important..but in reality, age
> makes a
> > > big difference. No one is the same at 40 as he or she was in their
> > > twenties. I am assuming you are 40 or more because of the heart
> attack
> > > worry. Thats when most people start to think about it.
> > > Maggie.
> > >
>
>
>
> 35 feeling like 25? OK....I don't see alot of difference in that one.
> Now if you were 45 and felt 25....then I would say you were one lucky
> dude. Somehow I can't see much difference between 35 and 25. Maybe
> 35 and 20....or even 40 and 35....or...55 and 35...(get my drift?) I
> felt fabulous at 35. I think I started feeling and thinking about my
> age around 40. Plus every doctor visit would include...NOW THAT YOU ARE
> OVER 40 YADA YADA YADA.... Thats when I went into a major midlife
> crisis. I was 40 acting like a 20 year old. I have no clue how I
> survived my 40's. So when you are 40...let me know how you feel. A 35
> year old that feels 25 doesn't seem like such a big deal. My kids age
> from 22 to 30. I don't see any huge difference in them physically at
> this point. I truly believe 40 is a milestone thus, the midlife crisis.
> So be on the alert. At 40 you may revert to behaving like a teenager
> who does not want to grow up, but whose body is saying....hey, take
> care of me....I'm getting older...please!!!!!
> Maggie
>

01-15-2005, 05:52 AM

OK maybe I feel 20. I was into the bad stuff as a teen up until my lower 20s
so I guess I do feel better than when I was 20. I ate crappy , smoked pot,
etc.

"Maggie" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:1105734181.232953.185120@c13g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>
> chris c wrote:
> > Actually I am 35 , but feel like 25.
> >
> > "Maggie" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > news:1105709590.268665.222010@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> > >
> > > chris c wrote:
> > > > I am a newbie. Just got into cycling last summer (again) but did
> it
> > > when I
> > > > was younger (10 yrs. ago). I am trying to do at least 10 miles
> per
> > > day now.
> > > > I did more during the summer sometimes. Schedules are so hectic
> of
> > > course. I
> > > > ususally use a stationary cause of the crappy weather. I am
> riding a
> > > > comfort bike but would like to get a racer this spring. I used a
> > > cannondale
> > > > racer in my younger days when 50 mile rides were nothing. I lost
> a
> > > lot of
> > > > weight since summer which keeps me very interested and I feel
> great!
> > > > My first question is ... how long does it take to get some leg
> muscle
> > > > definition? My legs are not muscular, but they are skinny now. I
> try
> > > to use
> > > > a harder setting on the bike sometimes. Does this increase muscle
> > > faster?
> > > > Second question..... Can you overdo a workout by getting your
> heart
> > > rate up
> > > > too fast (ex: heart attack) ? Sometimes I push myself hard , I
> think
> > > almost
> > > > to the limit. I never get faint , but I think I get borderline
> dizzy
> > > > sometimes.
> > > >
> > > > thanks a lot
> > >
> > >
> > > I would say go get a complete physical before you get into a heavy
> > > workout program. That was the first thing I did when I started
> > > exercising after a long period of time. If you are worried about a
> > > heart attack if you push too hard, you need a physical. Plus I
> don't
> > > think borderline dizzy is a good thing. I was told to stop
> exercising
> > > if I ever felt like that. Maybe I am wrong, but if I were you I
> would
> > > definately get a physical. Alot of things can change in 10 years. I
> > > don't know your definition of younger and older as you don't give
> your
> > > age....but if you are 40 or above, get a physical first. If you are
> > > only in your 20's or very early thirties, borderline dizzy could be
> > > nothing but pushing too hard. Get a physical anyway. But if you
> are 40
> > > or more....DEFINATELY GET A PHYSICAL. I know everyone on this NG
> > > reminds me that age is not that important..but in reality, age
> makes a
> > > big difference. No one is the same at 40 as he or she was in their
> > > twenties. I am assuming you are 40 or more because of the heart
> attack
> > > worry. Thats when most people start to think about it.
> > > Maggie.
> > >
>
>
>
> 35 feeling like 25? OK....I don't see alot of difference in that one.
> Now if you were 45 and felt 25....then I would say you were one lucky
> dude. Somehow I can't see much difference between 35 and 25. Maybe
> 35 and 20....or even 40 and 35....or...55 and 35...(get my drift?) I
> felt fabulous at 35. I think I started feeling and thinking about my
> age around 40. Plus every doctor visit would include...NOW THAT YOU ARE
> OVER 40 YADA YADA YADA.... Thats when I went into a major midlife
> crisis. I was 40 acting like a 20 year old. I have no clue how I
> survived my 40's. So when you are 40...let me know how you feel. A 35
> year old that feels 25 doesn't seem like such a big deal. My kids age
> from 22 to 30. I don't see any huge difference in them physically at
> this point. I truly believe 40 is a milestone thus, the midlife crisis.
> So be on the alert. At 40 you may revert to behaving like a teenager
> who does not want to grow up, but whose body is saying....hey, take
> care of me....I'm getting older...please!!!!!
> Maggie
>

01-15-2005, 05:54 AM

frank-in-toronto wrote:
> On 14 Jan 2005 11:02:25 -0800, "Maggie" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> wrote:
>
> <snip a lot of good advice>
> ummm. maggie, take this the right way. please. i want to
> read what you write. but these old eyes aren't so good.
> could you break your responses into paragraphs?
> that's all. thanks.
> ...thehick

If you met me in person you would know that I write the way I speak. I
go on and on and on and on and on....and eventually when I realize I
did not breathe for a long time I stop and take a breath. I am the
proverbial chatterbox. I never stop talking. I guess that is very
evident in the way I write. I will do the paragraph thang... Do you
want indentation or double spacing? ;-)
AND since when do I EVER take anything the wrong way?????

Love,
Maggie

01-15-2005, 05:54 AM

frank-in-toronto wrote:
> On 14 Jan 2005 11:02:25 -0800, "Maggie" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> wrote:
>
> <snip a lot of good advice>
> ummm. maggie, take this the right way. please. i want to
> read what you write. but these old eyes aren't so good.
> could you break your responses into paragraphs?
> that's all. thanks.
> ...thehick

If you met me in person you would know that I write the way I speak. I
go on and on and on and on and on....and eventually when I realize I
did not breathe for a long time I stop and take a breath. I am the
proverbial chatterbox. I never stop talking. I guess that is very
evident in the way I write. I will do the paragraph thang... Do you
want indentation or double spacing? ;-)
AND since when do I EVER take anything the wrong way?????

Love,
Maggie

01-15-2005, 05:54 AM

frank-in-toronto wrote:
> On 14 Jan 2005 11:02:25 -0800, "Maggie" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> wrote:
>
> <snip a lot of good advice>
> ummm. maggie, take this the right way. please. i want to
> read what you write. but these old eyes aren't so good.
> could you break your responses into paragraphs?
> that's all. thanks.
> ...thehick

If you met me in person you would know that I write the way I speak. I
go on and on and on and on and on....and eventually when I realize I
did not breathe for a long time I stop and take a breath. I am the
proverbial chatterbox. I never stop talking. I guess that is very
evident in the way I write. I will do the paragraph thang... Do you
want indentation or double spacing? ;-)
AND since when do I EVER take anything the wrong way?????

Love,
Maggie

01-15-2005, 05:57 AM

I am 35 going on 20. Weigh 169 (weighed 210 last summer!). Lost it quick
with cycling and a low fat diet. I eat great now also (try to stick to the
fruit and veg thing). I am in good shape. I have only some fat that I am
trying to get rid of on the stomach (love handles). I know cycling wont do
this. I do crunches.

"RonSonic" <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news

0tfu09l6g10ugct8io31dtmohuopsgr9k@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:31:39 GMT, "chris c" <cchris@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
>
> >I am a newbie. Just got into cycling last summer (again) but did it when
I
> >was younger (10 yrs. ago). I am trying to do at least 10 miles per day
now.
> >I did more during the summer sometimes. Schedules are so hectic of
course. I
> >ususally use a stationary cause of the crappy weather. I am riding a
> >comfort bike but would like to get a racer this spring. I used a
cannondale
> >racer in my younger days when 50 mile rides were nothing. I lost a lot of
> >weight since summer which keeps me very interested and I feel great!
> >My first question is ... how long does it take to get some leg muscle
> >definition? My legs are not muscular, but they are skinny now. I try to
use
> >a harder setting on the bike sometimes. Does this increase muscle faster?
> >Second question..... Can you overdo a workout by getting your heart rate
up
> >too fast (ex: heart attack) ? Sometimes I push myself hard , I think
almost
> >to the limit. I never get faint , but I think I get borderline dizzy
> >sometimes.
>
> How long's a string and can it be too long?
>
> Just how old are ya and what kinda shape are you in?
>
> Not that I could give you any specifics anyway, but it's good to know
whether
> we're talking about a 40yo in crappy shape or a 55yo in pretty good shape.
>
> At 49 and recovering from many years off the bike there are a few things I
can
> tell you. First your recovery will suck compared to years ago. I can get
great
> benefits from 2 intense rides a week, much more than that just makes me
sore
> without any resulting strength or speed payoff. Might as well just whack
my legs
> with a stick for all the good it does. At least not more than two weeks in
a
> row.
>
> And it is intensity that you need to increase muscularity and strength.
Making
> circles with your feet, fast or slow will not do it. There's cycling
training
> tips and advice all over the internet, some of it actually makes sense and
> works. Google.
>
> When I first started back on the bike last year I had recently quit
smoking
> (again) and the game was having my cardio and legs take turns being the
weaker
> link. At one point I got into good enough shape that I needed more leg to
work
> the CP system hard enough to really feel it. I'm riding 4-5 times a week
and 2
> of those are usually some sort of high intensity work like sprints or
intervals.
> I'll only do one day of intensity if I do something otherwise draining
that week
> like an extremely long ride. Or three days of intense work if I know I
won't be
> pushing it the next week. I think that's probably the sort of thing
you're
> ready for, get in some strength and speed work.
>
> As for heart attack risks, hell if I know. My guess is that if you've been
> pedaling hard enough to max out the heart rate and start losing composure
> without dying by now you're probably okay. I do suggest that you keep that
sort
> of thing on the trainer until your bike handling skills are back to
expert.
> That's how people get hurt, out riding their brain's oxygen supply.
>
> You know the standard warning "Do not begin this or any other exercise
program
> without the advice of a physician." Well I figure I didn't ask a doctor
before
> taking up chain smoking and a sedentary lifestyle, I don't figure I need
his
> permission to get back in shape. If I'm going to keel over from a heart
attack
> rather it be after a ride I enjoyed than a cardio stress test that I had
to pay
> money for.
>
> Ron

01-15-2005, 05:57 AM

I am 35 going on 20. Weigh 169 (weighed 210 last summer!). Lost it quick
with cycling and a low fat diet. I eat great now also (try to stick to the
fruit and veg thing). I am in good shape. I have only some fat that I am
trying to get rid of on the stomach (love handles). I know cycling wont do
this. I do crunches.

"RonSonic" <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news

0tfu09l6g10ugct8io31dtmohuopsgr9k@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:31:39 GMT, "chris c" <cchris@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
>
> >I am a newbie. Just got into cycling last summer (again) but did it when
I
> >was younger (10 yrs. ago). I am trying to do at least 10 miles per day
now.
> >I did more during the summer sometimes. Schedules are so hectic of
course. I
> >ususally use a stationary cause of the crappy weather. I am riding a
> >comfort bike but would like to get a racer this spring. I used a
cannondale
> >racer in my younger days when 50 mile rides were nothing. I lost a lot of
> >weight since summer which keeps me very interested and I feel great!
> >My first question is ... how long does it take to get some leg muscle
> >definition? My legs are not muscular, but they are skinny now. I try to
use
> >a harder setting on the bike sometimes. Does this increase muscle faster?
> >Second question..... Can you overdo a workout by getting your heart rate
up
> >too fast (ex: heart attack) ? Sometimes I push myself hard , I think
almost
> >to the limit. I never get faint , but I think I get borderline dizzy
> >sometimes.
>
> How long's a string and can it be too long?
>
> Just how old are ya and what kinda shape are you in?
>
> Not that I could give you any specifics anyway, but it's good to know
whether
> we're talking about a 40yo in crappy shape or a 55yo in pretty good shape.
>
> At 49 and recovering from many years off the bike there are a few things I
can
> tell you. First your recovery will suck compared to years ago. I can get
great
> benefits from 2 intense rides a week, much more than that just makes me
sore
> without any resulting strength or speed payoff. Might as well just whack
my legs
> with a stick for all the good it does. At least not more than two weeks in
a
> row.
>
> And it is intensity that you need to increase muscularity and strength.
Making
> circles with your feet, fast or slow will not do it. There's cycling
training
> tips and advice all over the internet, some of it actually makes sense and
> works. Google.
>
> When I first started back on the bike last year I had recently quit
smoking
> (again) and the game was having my cardio and legs take turns being the
weaker
> link. At one point I got into good enough shape that I needed more leg to
work
> the CP system hard enough to really feel it. I'm riding 4-5 times a week
and 2
> of those are usually some sort of high intensity work like sprints or
intervals.
> I'll only do one day of intensity if I do something otherwise draining
that week
> like an extremely long ride. Or three days of intense work if I know I
won't be
> pushing it the next week. I think that's probably the sort of thing
you're
> ready for, get in some strength and speed work.
>
> As for heart attack risks, hell if I know. My guess is that if you've been
> pedaling hard enough to max out the heart rate and start losing composure
> without dying by now you're probably okay. I do suggest that you keep that
sort
> of thing on the trainer until your bike handling skills are back to
expert.
> That's how people get hurt, out riding their brain's oxygen supply.
>
> You know the standard warning "Do not begin this or any other exercise
program
> without the advice of a physician." Well I figure I didn't ask a doctor
before
> taking up chain smoking and a sedentary lifestyle, I don't figure I need
his
> permission to get back in shape. If I'm going to keel over from a heart
attack
> rather it be after a ride I enjoyed than a cardio stress test that I had
to pay
> money for.
>
> Ron

01-15-2005, 05:57 AM

I am 35 going on 20. Weigh 169 (weighed 210 last summer!). Lost it quick
with cycling and a low fat diet. I eat great now also (try to stick to the
fruit and veg thing). I am in good shape. I have only some fat that I am
trying to get rid of on the stomach (love handles). I know cycling wont do
this. I do crunches.

"RonSonic" <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news

0tfu09l6g10ugct8io31dtmohuopsgr9k@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:31:39 GMT, "chris c" <cchris@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
>
> >I am a newbie. Just got into cycling last summer (again) but did it when
I
> >was younger (10 yrs. ago). I am trying to do at least 10 miles per day
now.
> >I did more during the summer sometimes. Schedules are so hectic of
course. I
> >ususally use a stationary cause of the crappy weather. I am riding a
> >comfort bike but would like to get a racer this spring. I used a
cannondale
> >racer in my younger days when 50 mile rides were nothing. I lost a lot of
> >weight since summer which keeps me very interested and I feel great!
> >My first question is ... how long does it take to get some leg muscle
> >definition? My legs are not muscular, but they are skinny now. I try to
use
> >a harder setting on the bike sometimes. Does this increase muscle faster?
> >Second question..... Can you overdo a workout by getting your heart rate
up
> >too fast (ex: heart attack) ? Sometimes I push myself hard , I think
almost
> >to the limit. I never get faint , but I think I get borderline dizzy
> >sometimes.
>
> How long's a string and can it be too long?
>
> Just how old are ya and what kinda shape are you in?
>
> Not that I could give you any specifics anyway, but it's good to know
whether
> we're talking about a 40yo in crappy shape or a 55yo in pretty good shape.
>
> At 49 and recovering from many years off the bike there are a few things I
can
> tell you. First your recovery will suck compared to years ago. I can get
great
> benefits from 2 intense rides a week, much more than that just makes me
sore
> without any resulting strength or speed payoff. Might as well just whack
my legs
> with a stick for all the good it does. At least not more than two weeks in
a
> row.
>
> And it is intensity that you need to increase muscularity and strength.
Making
> circles with your feet, fast or slow will not do it. There's cycling
training
> tips and advice all over the internet, some of it actually makes sense and
> works. Google.
>
> When I first started back on the bike last year I had recently quit
smoking
> (again) and the game was having my cardio and legs take turns being the
weaker
> link. At one point I got into good enough shape that I needed more leg to
work
> the CP system hard enough to really feel it. I'm riding 4-5 times a week
and 2
> of those are usually some sort of high intensity work like sprints or
intervals.
> I'll only do one day of intensity if I do something otherwise draining
that week
> like an extremely long ride. Or three days of intense work if I know I
won't be
> pushing it the next week. I think that's probably the sort of thing
you're
> ready for, get in some strength and speed work.
>
> As for heart attack risks, hell if I know. My guess is that if you've been
> pedaling hard enough to max out the heart rate and start losing composure
> without dying by now you're probably okay. I do suggest that you keep that
sort
> of thing on the trainer until your bike handling skills are back to
expert.
> That's how people get hurt, out riding their brain's oxygen supply.
>
> You know the standard warning "Do not begin this or any other exercise
program
> without the advice of a physician." Well I figure I didn't ask a doctor
before
> taking up chain smoking and a sedentary lifestyle, I don't figure I need
his
> permission to get back in shape. If I'm going to keel over from a heart
attack
> rather it be after a ride I enjoyed than a cardio stress test that I had
to pay
> money for.
>
> Ron