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01-20-2005, 09:29 PM

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:30:06 -0500, "Matt O'Toole" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>
>You also mentioned using CO2, which will leak through your tube overnight.
>

>
>Matt O.
>
So, you are saying that overnight the tire will go from full to flat,
whan using CO2?

That is not true in my experience. Tires will go down a little quicker
than with an air pump, but we are talking a number of days, not
overnight.

Life is Good!
Jeff

01-21-2005, 07:19 AM

>
>1) push the bead toward the center of the rim all around - that'll
>give you a bit more slack at the "tight end".
>2) don't try to push the last bit on with your thumbs, but grab all
>the way around the tire AND rim and twist it like a motorcycle grip
>away from you.
>3) if you can't get the tube to work to the inside of the tire
>(meaning it's in the way and helping prevent the tire from sliding on)
>work the loose end around the rim, allowing an equal amount on the
>other side to unseat. Since the tube is already inside the rim there,
>this should make it easier to get the tube inside the tire (makes
>sense if you actually do it - probably not as much reading it though).

Ok, #1- .Diameter is less in the center that at the edges. That makes
sense. #2 I'm not sure I get. By motorcycle grip you mean twisting the
throttle?

#3 doesn't seem to be a problem. It isn't the tube that cause me grief
except preventing me from using a screwdriver.

I was very good on yesterday's second flat. I pushed up on the bead
(towards the rim) with a tire iron thing while pulling the top (tread)
of the tire. It popped right on. Perhaps that freezing saliva helped a
bit also.

01-21-2005, 07:19 AM

>
>1) push the bead toward the center of the rim all around - that'll
>give you a bit more slack at the "tight end".
>2) don't try to push the last bit on with your thumbs, but grab all
>the way around the tire AND rim and twist it like a motorcycle grip
>away from you.
>3) if you can't get the tube to work to the inside of the tire
>(meaning it's in the way and helping prevent the tire from sliding on)
>work the loose end around the rim, allowing an equal amount on the
>other side to unseat. Since the tube is already inside the rim there,
>this should make it easier to get the tube inside the tire (makes
>sense if you actually do it - probably not as much reading it though).

Ok, #1- .Diameter is less in the center that at the edges. That makes
sense. #2 I'm not sure I get. By motorcycle grip you mean twisting the
throttle?

#3 doesn't seem to be a problem. It isn't the tube that cause me grief
except preventing me from using a screwdriver.

I was very good on yesterday's second flat. I pushed up on the bead
(towards the rim) with a tire iron thing while pulling the top (tread)
of the tire. It popped right on. Perhaps that freezing saliva helped a
bit also.

01-21-2005, 07:19 AM

>
>1) push the bead toward the center of the rim all around - that'll
>give you a bit more slack at the "tight end".
>2) don't try to push the last bit on with your thumbs, but grab all
>the way around the tire AND rim and twist it like a motorcycle grip
>away from you.
>3) if you can't get the tube to work to the inside of the tire
>(meaning it's in the way and helping prevent the tire from sliding on)
>work the loose end around the rim, allowing an equal amount on the
>other side to unseat. Since the tube is already inside the rim there,
>this should make it easier to get the tube inside the tire (makes
>sense if you actually do it - probably not as much reading it though).

Ok, #1- .Diameter is less in the center that at the edges. That makes
sense. #2 I'm not sure I get. By motorcycle grip you mean twisting the
throttle?

#3 doesn't seem to be a problem. It isn't the tube that cause me grief
except preventing me from using a screwdriver.

I was very good on yesterday's second flat. I pushed up on the bead
(towards the rim) with a tire iron thing while pulling the top (tread)
of the tire. It popped right on. Perhaps that freezing saliva helped a
bit also.

01-21-2005, 07:48 AM

dgk <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>
>>
>>1) push the bead toward the center of the rim all around - that'll
>>give you a bit more slack at the "tight end".
>>2) don't try to push the last bit on with your thumbs, but grab all
>>the way around the tire AND rim and twist it like a motorcycle grip
>>away from you.
>>3) if you can't get the tube to work to the inside of the tire
>>(meaning it's in the way and helping prevent the tire from sliding on)
>>work the loose end around the rim, allowing an equal amount on the
>>other side to unseat. Since the tube is already inside the rim there,
>>this should make it easier to get the tube inside the tire (makes
>>sense if you actually do it - probably not as much reading it though).
>
>Ok, #1- .Diameter is less in the center that at the edges. That makes
>sense. #2 I'm not sure I get. By motorcycle grip you mean twisting the
>throttle?

Yes - like you're trying to slow down EXTRA fast... That way you're
using all the muscles in your forearms to force the tire on. There
are many subtle variations to the technique, but once you use it it's
obviously a lot easier on the hands (particularly since you can do it
wearing gloves.

>#3 doesn't seem to be a problem. It isn't the tube that cause me grief
>except preventing me from using a screwdriver.

Don't ever use a screwdriver (eeek). That's really hard on the rim
even if you don't manage to put a hole in the tube (at which point you
get to start all over again).

>I was very good on yesterday's second flat. I pushed up on the bead
>(towards the rim) with a tire iron thing while pulling the top (tread)
>of the tire. It popped right on. Perhaps that freezing saliva helped a
>bit also.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
Home of the $695 ti frame

01-21-2005, 07:48 AM

dgk <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>
>>
>>1) push the bead toward the center of the rim all around - that'll
>>give you a bit more slack at the "tight end".
>>2) don't try to push the last bit on with your thumbs, but grab all
>>the way around the tire AND rim and twist it like a motorcycle grip
>>away from you.
>>3) if you can't get the tube to work to the inside of the tire
>>(meaning it's in the way and helping prevent the tire from sliding on)
>>work the loose end around the rim, allowing an equal amount on the
>>other side to unseat. Since the tube is already inside the rim there,
>>this should make it easier to get the tube inside the tire (makes
>>sense if you actually do it - probably not as much reading it though).
>
>Ok, #1- .Diameter is less in the center that at the edges. That makes
>sense. #2 I'm not sure I get. By motorcycle grip you mean twisting the
>throttle?

Yes - like you're trying to slow down EXTRA fast... That way you're
using all the muscles in your forearms to force the tire on. There
are many subtle variations to the technique, but once you use it it's
obviously a lot easier on the hands (particularly since you can do it
wearing gloves.

>#3 doesn't seem to be a problem. It isn't the tube that cause me grief
>except preventing me from using a screwdriver.

Don't ever use a screwdriver (eeek). That's really hard on the rim
even if you don't manage to put a hole in the tube (at which point you
get to start all over again).

>I was very good on yesterday's second flat. I pushed up on the bead
>(towards the rim) with a tire iron thing while pulling the top (tread)
>of the tire. It popped right on. Perhaps that freezing saliva helped a
>bit also.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
Home of the $695 ti frame

01-21-2005, 07:48 AM

dgk <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>
>>
>>1) push the bead toward the center of the rim all around - that'll
>>give you a bit more slack at the "tight end".
>>2) don't try to push the last bit on with your thumbs, but grab all
>>the way around the tire AND rim and twist it like a motorcycle grip
>>away from you.
>>3) if you can't get the tube to work to the inside of the tire
>>(meaning it's in the way and helping prevent the tire from sliding on)
>>work the loose end around the rim, allowing an equal amount on the
>>other side to unseat. Since the tube is already inside the rim there,
>>this should make it easier to get the tube inside the tire (makes
>>sense if you actually do it - probably not as much reading it though).
>
>Ok, #1- .Diameter is less in the center that at the edges. That makes
>sense. #2 I'm not sure I get. By motorcycle grip you mean twisting the
>throttle?

Yes - like you're trying to slow down EXTRA fast... That way you're
using all the muscles in your forearms to force the tire on. There
are many subtle variations to the technique, but once you use it it's
obviously a lot easier on the hands (particularly since you can do it
wearing gloves.

>#3 doesn't seem to be a problem. It isn't the tube that cause me grief
>except preventing me from using a screwdriver.

Don't ever use a screwdriver (eeek). That's really hard on the rim
even if you don't manage to put a hole in the tube (at which point you
get to start all over again).

>I was very good on yesterday's second flat. I pushed up on the bead
>(towards the rim) with a tire iron thing while pulling the top (tread)
>of the tire. It popped right on. Perhaps that freezing saliva helped a
>bit also.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
Home of the $695 ti frame

01-21-2005, 10:56 AM

Jeff Starr wrote:

> So, you are saying that overnight the tire will go from full to flat,
> whan using CO2?
>
> That is not true in my experience. Tires will go down a little quicker
> than with an air pump, but we are talking a number of days, not
> overnight.

IME they go down about halfway overnight -- more than enough to require pumping.
However, this probably depends on how thick your tubes are. Among the tubes I
have, they vary in thickness by at least double.

Matt O.

01-21-2005, 10:56 AM

Jeff Starr wrote:

> So, you are saying that overnight the tire will go from full to flat,
> whan using CO2?
>
> That is not true in my experience. Tires will go down a little quicker
> than with an air pump, but we are talking a number of days, not
> overnight.

IME they go down about halfway overnight -- more than enough to require pumping.
However, this probably depends on how thick your tubes are. Among the tubes I
have, they vary in thickness by at least double.

Matt O.

01-21-2005, 10:56 AM

Jeff Starr wrote:

> So, you are saying that overnight the tire will go from full to flat,
> whan using CO2?
>
> That is not true in my experience. Tires will go down a little quicker
> than with an air pump, but we are talking a number of days, not
> overnight.

IME they go down about halfway overnight -- more than enough to require pumping.
However, this probably depends on how thick your tubes are. Among the tubes I
have, they vary in thickness by at least double.

Matt O.