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01-23-2005, 02:09 PM

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:19:37 -0800, marika wrote:

> i

If you want your posts taken seriously, look into capitalizing your Is,
using a bit more punctuation, and please fix your newsreader's line wrap.

Thank you.

01-23-2005, 02:09 PM

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:19:37 -0800, marika wrote:

> i

If you want your posts taken seriously, look into capitalizing your Is,
using a bit more punctuation, and please fix your newsreader's line wrap.

Thank you.

01-23-2005, 02:09 PM

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:19:37 -0800, marika wrote:

> i

If you want your posts taken seriously, look into capitalizing your Is,
using a bit more punctuation, and please fix your newsreader's line wrap.

Thank you.

01-23-2005, 03:43 PM

: That is
: what you get when you cherry pick.
: prepare yourself for a
: nice hot summer
:
:
: >OTOH, there are established bicycle companies that have moved
: > manufacturing around the world, U.S., Japan, Taiwan, and then China,
: > that have also recycled model names and numbers for bicycles that
: bear
: > no resemblance to the original.
:
: They are finally beginning to believe
: what I have to say and that feels good
: And pure emotion
:
: >
: > Remember when everyone wanted European made bicycles and dissed
: Japanese
: > made bikes.
:
: not surprisingly there are quite a few old ones
:
: >Then everyone wanted the Japanese made bikes and dissed
: > Taiwanese bikes.
:
: in some ways this is bad
:
:
: >Then Taiwan bikes were okay, and everyone dissed
: > Chinese bikes.
:
: Some of them are worthy of being dissed
:
: >Not sure if there is anywhere lower cost that production
: > can be moved to.
:
: companies have a lot of leadership people that are supposed to
: identify that kind of stuff
: they are either timid or just plain stupid, not many exemplary people
: it has been said that these folks are not for this type of project.
: they say that investors have
: asked numerous times. "they do the best they can" or something like
: that
: i prefer to almost make it from month to month than to seem to make it
: big
: and then peter out.
:
: >There are lower cost countries, but not with the
: > industrial infrastructure needed.
:
: unfortunately in my life i have never seen more people less suited for
: leadership roles.
: so that explains a lot. when i don't feel
: like doing something menial I plead that i am overwhelmed and since
: this is
: a typical person's way to get out of stuff he takes over and gives it
: to someone else.
: So I end up working on stuff that matters. to me
: i think they decide to bring aboard these type of people because they
: are easily programmable
: to support the project no matter what so they would be in PR. and
: because
: bosses likes them so much, they are going to keep them there so they
: can
: funnel info to them such as they program them for.
: and when some constraints are gone, the employees start
: illegal solicitation practices
: don't hold your breath because corporations and businessmen are getting
: worse and worse at figuring out how to make a profit every year
:
: mk5000
:
Except for a couple of lines here and there, I have no idea what you are
talking about.

Pat in TX

01-23-2005, 03:43 PM

: That is
: what you get when you cherry pick.
: prepare yourself for a
: nice hot summer
:
:
: >OTOH, there are established bicycle companies that have moved
: > manufacturing around the world, U.S., Japan, Taiwan, and then China,
: > that have also recycled model names and numbers for bicycles that
: bear
: > no resemblance to the original.
:
: They are finally beginning to believe
: what I have to say and that feels good
: And pure emotion
:
: >
: > Remember when everyone wanted European made bicycles and dissed
: Japanese
: > made bikes.
:
: not surprisingly there are quite a few old ones
:
: >Then everyone wanted the Japanese made bikes and dissed
: > Taiwanese bikes.
:
: in some ways this is bad
:
:
: >Then Taiwan bikes were okay, and everyone dissed
: > Chinese bikes.
:
: Some of them are worthy of being dissed
:
: >Not sure if there is anywhere lower cost that production
: > can be moved to.
:
: companies have a lot of leadership people that are supposed to
: identify that kind of stuff
: they are either timid or just plain stupid, not many exemplary people
: it has been said that these folks are not for this type of project.
: they say that investors have
: asked numerous times. "they do the best they can" or something like
: that
: i prefer to almost make it from month to month than to seem to make it
: big
: and then peter out.
:
: >There are lower cost countries, but not with the
: > industrial infrastructure needed.
:
: unfortunately in my life i have never seen more people less suited for
: leadership roles.
: so that explains a lot. when i don't feel
: like doing something menial I plead that i am overwhelmed and since
: this is
: a typical person's way to get out of stuff he takes over and gives it
: to someone else.
: So I end up working on stuff that matters. to me
: i think they decide to bring aboard these type of people because they
: are easily programmable
: to support the project no matter what so they would be in PR. and
: because
: bosses likes them so much, they are going to keep them there so they
: can
: funnel info to them such as they program them for.
: and when some constraints are gone, the employees start
: illegal solicitation practices
: don't hold your breath because corporations and businessmen are getting
: worse and worse at figuring out how to make a profit every year
:
: mk5000
:
Except for a couple of lines here and there, I have no idea what you are
talking about.

Pat in TX

01-23-2005, 03:43 PM

: That is
: what you get when you cherry pick.
: prepare yourself for a
: nice hot summer
:
:
: >OTOH, there are established bicycle companies that have moved
: > manufacturing around the world, U.S., Japan, Taiwan, and then China,
: > that have also recycled model names and numbers for bicycles that
: bear
: > no resemblance to the original.
:
: They are finally beginning to believe
: what I have to say and that feels good
: And pure emotion
:
: >
: > Remember when everyone wanted European made bicycles and dissed
: Japanese
: > made bikes.
:
: not surprisingly there are quite a few old ones
:
: >Then everyone wanted the Japanese made bikes and dissed
: > Taiwanese bikes.
:
: in some ways this is bad
:
:
: >Then Taiwan bikes were okay, and everyone dissed
: > Chinese bikes.
:
: Some of them are worthy of being dissed
:
: >Not sure if there is anywhere lower cost that production
: > can be moved to.
:
: companies have a lot of leadership people that are supposed to
: identify that kind of stuff
: they are either timid or just plain stupid, not many exemplary people
: it has been said that these folks are not for this type of project.
: they say that investors have
: asked numerous times. "they do the best they can" or something like
: that
: i prefer to almost make it from month to month than to seem to make it
: big
: and then peter out.
:
: >There are lower cost countries, but not with the
: > industrial infrastructure needed.
:
: unfortunately in my life i have never seen more people less suited for
: leadership roles.
: so that explains a lot. when i don't feel
: like doing something menial I plead that i am overwhelmed and since
: this is
: a typical person's way to get out of stuff he takes over and gives it
: to someone else.
: So I end up working on stuff that matters. to me
: i think they decide to bring aboard these type of people because they
: are easily programmable
: to support the project no matter what so they would be in PR. and
: because
: bosses likes them so much, they are going to keep them there so they
: can
: funnel info to them such as they program them for.
: and when some constraints are gone, the employees start
: illegal solicitation practices
: don't hold your breath because corporations and businessmen are getting
: worse and worse at figuring out how to make a profit every year
:
: mk5000
:
Except for a couple of lines here and there, I have no idea what you are
talking about.

Pat in TX

01-23-2005, 08:33 PM

GRL wrote:
> The Trek is 2x the cost, by no stretch is it "about the same price". It
> also lacks an adjustable stem. Dumb.

I saw a very cool device called a "Speedlifter" that corrects the issue
of the threadless headsets. Unfortunately, it's quite expensive, and not
sold in the U.S..

See "http://speedlifter.com/"

01-23-2005, 08:33 PM

GRL wrote:
> The Trek is 2x the cost, by no stretch is it "about the same price". It
> also lacks an adjustable stem. Dumb.

I saw a very cool device called a "Speedlifter" that corrects the issue
of the threadless headsets. Unfortunately, it's quite expensive, and not
sold in the U.S..

See "http://speedlifter.com/"

01-23-2005, 08:33 PM

GRL wrote:
> The Trek is 2x the cost, by no stretch is it "about the same price". It
> also lacks an adjustable stem. Dumb.

I saw a very cool device called a "Speedlifter" that corrects the issue
of the threadless headsets. Unfortunately, it's quite expensive, and not
sold in the U.S..

See "http://speedlifter.com/"

01-23-2005, 08:45 PM

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

>>The Trek is 2x the cost, by no stretch is it "about the same price". It
>>also lacks an adjustable stem. Dumb.
>
>
> But it comes with something often more important- a shop that will
> (hopefully) take the time to find the correct length & height stem and
> properly fit the rider. Remember that adjustable stems swing in an arc, and
> can only be "shortened" by raising them. You may want one or the other, but
> you have no choice, you get both. They're also heavier and less durable. A
> truly adjustable stem would allow independent adjustment of both height and
> reach.

I think that he was referring to a quill stem, and the adjustment up and
down, not just the adjustable reach stem that you are referring to.

There's another issue with the threadless headset on a touring bike as
well, if you're shipping your bike, you have to reassemble a threadless
headset and get the compression correct, while this ia not an issue with
a quill headset. It is probably easy for you to do, but it isn't so easy
for someone not experienced with assembly.

Let's face it, most of the touring bicycles have kept the threaded
headset for a very good reason, while Trek went to the threadless
headset to save money and simplify manufacturing. As another poster
stated, this has been pointed out to them on numerous occasions, but
they just don't care.

Touring bikes are a pain in the butt for a manufacturer, you have to
keep using a more expensive chromolly frame, you need more expensive
wheels, you need a threaded headset, the frame is larger, the gearing is
different etc. All for a product with a very small T.A.M..