Thoughts on Cinelli Super Corsa?? - Page 4 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

07-26-2003, 07:26 PM

Lewdvig wrote in message ...
>My 87 GIOS Torino has less BB deflection than either of my aluminium bikes.
>
>
A frame from the '80s will be toast by now,
and get rid of your whippy AL frames and buy
something worthy, most oversized AL frames
from Carrera, Fondriest, Bianchi, Orbea,
Cannondale, Colnago, Pinarello, should do it
for you, just make sure you buy from their upper
end of the bike line.

07-26-2003, 07:45 PM

Sorry Sir, you're wrong about the weight of my bike, and that it is time to
dump the bike. It is the resilience of steel in this case that provides the
sensation, not a worn out frame.

>
> Bill Graham wrote in message ...
>> Silliness.
>>
>> I ride a 57cm steel bike that weighs 17 lbs.. I'd say that's light enough.
>> Climbing actually is quite nice on a steel bike. To me the feel is
>> characteristic of a spring: you get this compression and expansion effect
>
> Well, actually your bike weights about 19 to 21 lbs, too heavy for today's
> competitive riding. And that compression - expansion you're talking
> about is actually the damn thing flexing, that's the one thing you
> don't want, if a frame is doing that is time to dump it.
>
>

07-26-2003, 07:55 PM

Bill Graham wrote in message ...
>Sorry Sir, you're wrong about the weight of my bike, and that it is time to
>dump the bike. It is the resilience of steel in this case that provides the
>sensation, not a worn out frame.
>
What kind of scales did you use to weight
that with?

07-26-2003, 08:06 PM

>Bill Graham wrote in message ...
>>Sorry Sir, you're wrong about the weight of my bike, and that it is time to
>>dump the bike. It is the resilience of steel in this case that provides the
>>sensation, not a worn out frame.
>>
Hi Bill, I've done a bit of research into your issue and
you may want to recalibrate your scales UP by 2.67 lbs.

Let me know want results that gives.

07-26-2003, 08:32 PM

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:55:18 +0000, Robin Hubert wrote:

> Truthfully, I don't know what's changed, since I don't know Cinelli's of
> old.

For that, check out
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which shows a detail of the seat lug near the top.

But that wimpy 3-piece, two-bolts going into a collar (turnbuckle?)
> trying to squeeze the stays together is just asking for trouble. I've
> tightened enough and replaced enough, and have seen enough good designs to
> know that it isn't a good. It might be elegant, but it ain't good.

That sounds neither elegant nor good. But when you compare the classic
Cinelli design to a typical treatment of the seat stays; basically just
cutting them diagonally, coverning up the hole, and brazing the whole
thing to the seat lug with a glob of metal, the classic Cinelli lug is
both elegant and good. My old Frejus has a nice lug which incorporated
the seat stays, but the binder bolt is just stuck on the back.

--

David L. Johnson

__o | A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored
_`\(,_ | by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. --Ralph Waldo
(_)/ (_) | Emerson

07-26-2003, 09:25 PM

> "Eurastus" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> > I don't race anymore, so pure performance isn't an issue. I'm looking
for
> > traditional looks, comfort, and longevity. I've owned and raced on
> carbon, Ti,
> > aluminum, and steel. I just keep coming back to steel.

> > "F1" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> > >A bit off topic, but why do you want steel? I'm fairly new to biking
and
> > >just wondering why anyone would want anything BUT a good aluminum > > >
or carbon frame, price not withstanding?

"F1" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> I guess I understand the traditional looks and longevity, but I thought
> steel was the worst as far as comfort goes.

There's naturally a broad range of opinion but this is the first time I've
heard that one.
You might try riding one some time.

--
Andrew Muzi
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971

07-27-2003, 11:00 AM

jjpsych wrote:
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> "F1" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:<zsVTa.809$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].pas.earthlin k.net>...
> > A bit off topic, but why do you want steel? I'm fairly new to biking and
> > just wondering why anyone would want anything BUT a good aluminum or carbon
> > frame, price not withstanding?
>
> Because "Steel is Real"

And aluminium alloy, carbon fiber composite, and titanium/titanium
alloys are presumably figments of the imagination.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

07-28-2003, 08:52 PM

I have seen BASSO's with a similar arrangement. what makes them so wacky?

"Robin Hubert" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> "Dan H." <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:7212b291023edd79475acd61f271ddb2@free.teranew s.com...
> > There is nothing wrong with the "new" Cinelli Super Corsa. I have sold
and
> > built one myself and the customer loves it! I do have one small
complaint
> > about the seat binder system but it seems to be holding up as I have had
> no
> > complaints from the above mentioned customer since he bought it 5 years
> ago.
> > Since GVH is closed indefinitly, I would be happy to match his
rediculusly
> > low price if want to get one.
> > brmATpolitesociety.com
>
> Those seat binder bolts are ridiculous.
>
>
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> Robin Hubert <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
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