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05-13-2004, 02:15 PM

On Thu, 13 May 2004 09:57:32 -0400, Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:
>On LC, I have no sensation of 'glycogens running out' whatsoever. Of course

Badger, your experience with combining LC and bicycling is good for
as far as it goes, but it doesn't go very far yet -- you've stated
(maybe even in this thread) the length of your rides. They are short
enough to do without any additional fuel for all but the most
starved, strictly-dieting people.

Last year I was finding that 40 miles was my limit and it seemed to
be caused by running out of fuel. That may be changing this year; I
did 34 miles the other night and felt absolutely wonderful
afterwards, having finished my last meal 4 hours before the ride and
eaten only a pack of peanut butter crackers during the ride.
--
Rick Onanian

05-13-2004, 02:53 PM

On Thu, 13 May 2004 17:15:44 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Thu, 13 May 2004 09:57:32 -0400, Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>wrote:
>>On LC, I have no sensation of 'glycogens running out' whatsoever. Of course
>
>Badger, your experience with combining LC and bicycling is good for
>as far as it goes, but it doesn't go very far yet -- you've stated
>(maybe even in this thread) the length of your rides. They are short
>enough to do without any additional fuel for all but the most
>starved, strictly-dieting people.

Oh, I agree. Although my rides are short, and they are -very- short
distance-wise, once I get beyond say 2 hours, I would not be surprised to
find I needed glucose during or just before the ride, regardless of the
distance.

Today I rode 20-22 miles and it took me over 90 minutes, which is not a
very fast pace. I'm still being constrained by aspects of conditioning such
as getting used to being in the saddle that long (for me), and my arms
tiring, neck tiring. The legs and lungs did very well.

>Last year I was finding that 40 miles was my limit and it seemed to
>be caused by running out of fuel. That may be changing this year; I
>did 34 miles the other night and felt absolutely wonderful
>afterwards, having finished my last meal 4 hours before the ride and
>eaten only a pack of peanut butter crackers during the ride.

I wonder if being on a LC diet and presumably being in BDK during
induction, and burning fat for fuel (?) would allow one to more easily
access fat for fuel during the ride? I found that during my jogging days,
after the 60 minute mark (at 7min/mile pace), I seemed to find an alternate
fuel, second wind or something and my energy would soar. Has this found to
be a myth, or is there some truth to it in your opinion? If not a myth, it
might be that the LC diet could be an advantage.

-B

05-13-2004, 02:53 PM

On Thu, 13 May 2004 17:15:44 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Thu, 13 May 2004 09:57:32 -0400, Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>wrote:
>>On LC, I have no sensation of 'glycogens running out' whatsoever. Of course
>
>Badger, your experience with combining LC and bicycling is good for
>as far as it goes, but it doesn't go very far yet -- you've stated
>(maybe even in this thread) the length of your rides. They are short
>enough to do without any additional fuel for all but the most
>starved, strictly-dieting people.

Oh, I agree. Although my rides are short, and they are -very- short
distance-wise, once I get beyond say 2 hours, I would not be surprised to
find I needed glucose during or just before the ride, regardless of the
distance.

Today I rode 20-22 miles and it took me over 90 minutes, which is not a
very fast pace. I'm still being constrained by aspects of conditioning such
as getting used to being in the saddle that long (for me), and my arms
tiring, neck tiring. The legs and lungs did very well.

>Last year I was finding that 40 miles was my limit and it seemed to
>be caused by running out of fuel. That may be changing this year; I
>did 34 miles the other night and felt absolutely wonderful
>afterwards, having finished my last meal 4 hours before the ride and
>eaten only a pack of peanut butter crackers during the ride.

I wonder if being on a LC diet and presumably being in BDK during
induction, and burning fat for fuel (?) would allow one to more easily
access fat for fuel during the ride? I found that during my jogging days,
after the 60 minute mark (at 7min/mile pace), I seemed to find an alternate
fuel, second wind or something and my energy would soar. Has this found to
be a myth, or is there some truth to it in your opinion? If not a myth, it
might be that the LC diet could be an advantage.

-B

05-13-2004, 02:53 PM

On Thu, 13 May 2004 17:15:44 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Thu, 13 May 2004 09:57:32 -0400, Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>wrote:
>>On LC, I have no sensation of 'glycogens running out' whatsoever. Of course
>
>Badger, your experience with combining LC and bicycling is good for
>as far as it goes, but it doesn't go very far yet -- you've stated
>(maybe even in this thread) the length of your rides. They are short
>enough to do without any additional fuel for all but the most
>starved, strictly-dieting people.

Oh, I agree. Although my rides are short, and they are -very- short
distance-wise, once I get beyond say 2 hours, I would not be surprised to
find I needed glucose during or just before the ride, regardless of the
distance.

Today I rode 20-22 miles and it took me over 90 minutes, which is not a
very fast pace. I'm still being constrained by aspects of conditioning such
as getting used to being in the saddle that long (for me), and my arms
tiring, neck tiring. The legs and lungs did very well.

>Last year I was finding that 40 miles was my limit and it seemed to
>be caused by running out of fuel. That may be changing this year; I
>did 34 miles the other night and felt absolutely wonderful
>afterwards, having finished my last meal 4 hours before the ride and
>eaten only a pack of peanut butter crackers during the ride.

I wonder if being on a LC diet and presumably being in BDK during
induction, and burning fat for fuel (?) would allow one to more easily
access fat for fuel during the ride? I found that during my jogging days,
after the 60 minute mark (at 7min/mile pace), I seemed to find an alternate
fuel, second wind or something and my energy would soar. Has this found to
be a myth, or is there some truth to it in your opinion? If not a myth, it
might be that the LC diet could be an advantage.

-B

05-13-2004, 02:53 PM

On Thu, 13 May 2004 17:15:44 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Thu, 13 May 2004 09:57:32 -0400, Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>wrote:
>>On LC, I have no sensation of 'glycogens running out' whatsoever. Of course
>
>Badger, your experience with combining LC and bicycling is good for
>as far as it goes, but it doesn't go very far yet -- you've stated
>(maybe even in this thread) the length of your rides. They are short
>enough to do without any additional fuel for all but the most
>starved, strictly-dieting people.

Oh, I agree. Although my rides are short, and they are -very- short
distance-wise, once I get beyond say 2 hours, I would not be surprised to
find I needed glucose during or just before the ride, regardless of the
distance.

Today I rode 20-22 miles and it took me over 90 minutes, which is not a
very fast pace. I'm still being constrained by aspects of conditioning such
as getting used to being in the saddle that long (for me), and my arms
tiring, neck tiring. The legs and lungs did very well.

>Last year I was finding that 40 miles was my limit and it seemed to
>be caused by running out of fuel. That may be changing this year; I
>did 34 miles the other night and felt absolutely wonderful
>afterwards, having finished my last meal 4 hours before the ride and
>eaten only a pack of peanut butter crackers during the ride.

I wonder if being on a LC diet and presumably being in BDK during
induction, and burning fat for fuel (?) would allow one to more easily
access fat for fuel during the ride? I found that during my jogging days,
after the 60 minute mark (at 7min/mile pace), I seemed to find an alternate
fuel, second wind or something and my energy would soar. Has this found to
be a myth, or is there some truth to it in your opinion? If not a myth, it
might be that the LC diet could be an advantage.

-B

05-13-2004, 02:53 PM

On Thu, 13 May 2004 17:15:44 -0400, Rick Onanian <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

>On Thu, 13 May 2004 09:57:32 -0400, Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>wrote:
>>On LC, I have no sensation of 'glycogens running out' whatsoever. Of course
>
>Badger, your experience with combining LC and bicycling is good for
>as far as it goes, but it doesn't go very far yet -- you've stated
>(maybe even in this thread) the length of your rides. They are short
>enough to do without any additional fuel for all but the most
>starved, strictly-dieting people.

Oh, I agree. Although my rides are short, and they are -very- short
distance-wise, once I get beyond say 2 hours, I would not be surprised to
find I needed glucose during or just before the ride, regardless of the
distance.

Today I rode 20-22 miles and it took me over 90 minutes, which is not a
very fast pace. I'm still being constrained by aspects of conditioning such
as getting used to being in the saddle that long (for me), and my arms
tiring, neck tiring. The legs and lungs did very well.

>Last year I was finding that 40 miles was my limit and it seemed to
>be caused by running out of fuel. That may be changing this year; I
>did 34 miles the other night and felt absolutely wonderful
>afterwards, having finished my last meal 4 hours before the ride and
>eaten only a pack of peanut butter crackers during the ride.

I wonder if being on a LC diet and presumably being in BDK during
induction, and burning fat for fuel (?) would allow one to more easily
access fat for fuel during the ride? I found that during my jogging days,
after the 60 minute mark (at 7min/mile pace), I seemed to find an alternate
fuel, second wind or something and my energy would soar. Has this found to
be a myth, or is there some truth to it in your opinion? If not a myth, it
might be that the LC diet could be an advantage.

-B

05-13-2004, 04:11 PM

"Badger_South" <Badger@South.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 13 May 2004 09:32:37 -0400, "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm of the opinion that I/most ppl eat about twice as much food as they
> really need. When I'm really in the zone, I have salmon twice a day, and

I'm not familiar with the Atkin's diet. Is there any mention of the
dangerous levels of mercury found in most salmon today? Once a week is
probably OK, but twice a day could be problematic. What is the serving size
you are eating?

Matthew

05-13-2004, 04:11 PM

"Badger_South" <Badger@South.net> wrote in message
news

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> On Thu, 13 May 2004 09:32:37 -0400, "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm of the opinion that I/most ppl eat about twice as much food as they
> really need. When I'm really in the zone, I have salmon twice a day, and

I'm not familiar with the Atkin's diet. Is there any mention of the
dangerous levels of mercury found in most salmon today? Once a week is
probably OK, but twice a day could be problematic. What is the serving size
you are eating?

Matthew

05-13-2004, 04:11 PM

"Badger_South" <Badger@South.net> wrote in message
news

mu6a0tocc2t7rm24ob9iblm9sc6rv2bmv@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 13 May 2004 09:32:37 -0400, "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm of the opinion that I/most ppl eat about twice as much food as they
> really need. When I'm really in the zone, I have salmon twice a day, and

I'm not familiar with the Atkin's diet. Is there any mention of the
dangerous levels of mercury found in most salmon today? Once a week is
probably OK, but twice a day could be problematic. What is the serving size
you are eating?

Matthew

05-13-2004, 04:11 PM

"Badger_South" <Badger@South.net> wrote in message
news

mu6a0tocc2t7rm24ob9iblm9sc6rv2bmv@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 13 May 2004 09:32:37 -0400, "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm of the opinion that I/most ppl eat about twice as much food as they
> really need. When I'm really in the zone, I have salmon twice a day, and

I'm not familiar with the Atkin's diet. Is there any mention of the
dangerous levels of mercury found in most salmon today? Once a week is
probably OK, but twice a day could be problematic. What is the serving size
you are eating?

Matthew