OP Update - 3000 miles in 10 months... so Why am I still fat? - Page 12 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

05-21-2004, 12:37 PM

On Fri, 21 May 2004 07:53:29 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
<[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>It's just taking him a while to get
>his head wrapped around the notion that he's eating too much. LC would be
>the best for him, but calorie reduction will work too.

Is LC not a form of calorie reduction? I thought the whole point of
LC was to make it easy to reduce calories without having to count
them.
--
Rick Onanian

05-21-2004, 12:38 PM

"Badger_South" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> On Fri, 21 May 2004 11:24:36 GMT, "Gooserider"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Doug Cook" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> >news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> >> I know I asked for some thoughts, but come on, people! 170 responses
in
> >> 48hrs? Maybe I should have asked a less controversial question like
the
> >> role of religion in politics or something.
> >
> >Nothing controversial about it. Losing weight is NOT complicated. Fat
people
> >like to think it is, but it isn't. I'll say this again---if you burn more
> >calories than you intake, you will lose weight. Period. The body is kinda
> >neat in the way it follows the laws of physics. Yes, you can do all sorts
of
> >tricks, like carbohydrate reduction and such, but it all comes down to
> >intake vs. output. You weigh 274 pounds, so you need to intake at least
2740
> >just to maintain. Since you're riding a lot, you have to be eating a lot
of
> >calories somewhere. You're on the right track by monitoring what you eat,
> >but make sure to keep portion control. Measure your food if you have to.
If
> >you eat 2700 kcal/day and exercise, you will lose weight. Just remember
to
> >keep yourself in calorie debt. Exercise is not an excuse to pig out,
until
> >you get to racer-weight. :-)
>
> This just shows you how bone-headed gooserider is being.

I don't want to call BS on you, but are you claiming that people DON'T
lose weight in calorie deficit? Hogwash. There isn't a person on the face of
the earth who, given a long enough period of aerobic exercise and caloric
deficit, will not lose weight. It's simple. That's why morbidly obese people
lose weight when placed on caloric restriction. That's why famine victims
are thin. It's why Chinese peasants, who eat mainly carbohydrates, are thin.
They exercise all day and burn off what they eat. I know you're on the low
carb bandwagon, and that's great. It's a nice trick to lose weight, but it's
not the only way. It's not even the best way. It's just another way. I
guarantee you if Mister Cook eats 2000 calories a day of ANYTHING and
continues to exercise as he is, he will experience massive weight loss. He's
eating too many calories, evidently.

05-21-2004, 12:38 PM

"Badger_South" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> On Fri, 21 May 2004 11:24:36 GMT, "Gooserider"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Doug Cook" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> >news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> >> I know I asked for some thoughts, but come on, people! 170 responses
in
> >> 48hrs? Maybe I should have asked a less controversial question like
the
> >> role of religion in politics or something.
> >
> >Nothing controversial about it. Losing weight is NOT complicated. Fat
people
> >like to think it is, but it isn't. I'll say this again---if you burn more
> >calories than you intake, you will lose weight. Period. The body is kinda
> >neat in the way it follows the laws of physics. Yes, you can do all sorts
of
> >tricks, like carbohydrate reduction and such, but it all comes down to
> >intake vs. output. You weigh 274 pounds, so you need to intake at least
2740
> >just to maintain. Since you're riding a lot, you have to be eating a lot
of
> >calories somewhere. You're on the right track by monitoring what you eat,
> >but make sure to keep portion control. Measure your food if you have to.
If
> >you eat 2700 kcal/day and exercise, you will lose weight. Just remember
to
> >keep yourself in calorie debt. Exercise is not an excuse to pig out,
until
> >you get to racer-weight. :-)
>
> This just shows you how bone-headed gooserider is being.

I don't want to call BS on you, but are you claiming that people DON'T
lose weight in calorie deficit? Hogwash. There isn't a person on the face of
the earth who, given a long enough period of aerobic exercise and caloric
deficit, will not lose weight. It's simple. That's why morbidly obese people
lose weight when placed on caloric restriction. That's why famine victims
are thin. It's why Chinese peasants, who eat mainly carbohydrates, are thin.
They exercise all day and burn off what they eat. I know you're on the low
carb bandwagon, and that's great. It's a nice trick to lose weight, but it's
not the only way. It's not even the best way. It's just another way. I
guarantee you if Mister Cook eats 2000 calories a day of ANYTHING and
continues to exercise as he is, he will experience massive weight loss. He's
eating too many calories, evidently.

05-21-2004, 12:38 PM

"Badger_South" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> On Fri, 21 May 2004 11:24:36 GMT, "Gooserider"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Doug Cook" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> >news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> >> I know I asked for some thoughts, but come on, people! 170 responses
in
> >> 48hrs? Maybe I should have asked a less controversial question like
the
> >> role of religion in politics or something.
> >
> >Nothing controversial about it. Losing weight is NOT complicated. Fat
people
> >like to think it is, but it isn't. I'll say this again---if you burn more
> >calories than you intake, you will lose weight. Period. The body is kinda
> >neat in the way it follows the laws of physics. Yes, you can do all sorts
of
> >tricks, like carbohydrate reduction and such, but it all comes down to
> >intake vs. output. You weigh 274 pounds, so you need to intake at least
2740
> >just to maintain. Since you're riding a lot, you have to be eating a lot
of
> >calories somewhere. You're on the right track by monitoring what you eat,
> >but make sure to keep portion control. Measure your food if you have to.
If
> >you eat 2700 kcal/day and exercise, you will lose weight. Just remember
to
> >keep yourself in calorie debt. Exercise is not an excuse to pig out,
until
> >you get to racer-weight. :-)
>
> This just shows you how bone-headed gooserider is being.

I don't want to call BS on you, but are you claiming that people DON'T
lose weight in calorie deficit? Hogwash. There isn't a person on the face of
the earth who, given a long enough period of aerobic exercise and caloric
deficit, will not lose weight. It's simple. That's why morbidly obese people
lose weight when placed on caloric restriction. That's why famine victims
are thin. It's why Chinese peasants, who eat mainly carbohydrates, are thin.
They exercise all day and burn off what they eat. I know you're on the low
carb bandwagon, and that's great. It's a nice trick to lose weight, but it's
not the only way. It's not even the best way. It's just another way. I
guarantee you if Mister Cook eats 2000 calories a day of ANYTHING and
continues to exercise as he is, he will experience massive weight loss. He's
eating too many calories, evidently.

05-21-2004, 12:38 PM

"Badger_South" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> On Fri, 21 May 2004 11:24:36 GMT, "Gooserider"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Doug Cook" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> >news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> >> I know I asked for some thoughts, but come on, people! 170 responses
in
> >> 48hrs? Maybe I should have asked a less controversial question like
the
> >> role of religion in politics or something.
> >
> >Nothing controversial about it. Losing weight is NOT complicated. Fat
people
> >like to think it is, but it isn't. I'll say this again---if you burn more
> >calories than you intake, you will lose weight. Period. The body is kinda
> >neat in the way it follows the laws of physics. Yes, you can do all sorts
of
> >tricks, like carbohydrate reduction and such, but it all comes down to
> >intake vs. output. You weigh 274 pounds, so you need to intake at least
2740
> >just to maintain. Since you're riding a lot, you have to be eating a lot
of
> >calories somewhere. You're on the right track by monitoring what you eat,
> >but make sure to keep portion control. Measure your food if you have to.
If
> >you eat 2700 kcal/day and exercise, you will lose weight. Just remember
to
> >keep yourself in calorie debt. Exercise is not an excuse to pig out,
until
> >you get to racer-weight. :-)
>
> This just shows you how bone-headed gooserider is being.

I don't want to call BS on you, but are you claiming that people DON'T
lose weight in calorie deficit? Hogwash. There isn't a person on the face of
the earth who, given a long enough period of aerobic exercise and caloric
deficit, will not lose weight. It's simple. That's why morbidly obese people
lose weight when placed on caloric restriction. That's why famine victims
are thin. It's why Chinese peasants, who eat mainly carbohydrates, are thin.
They exercise all day and burn off what they eat. I know you're on the low
carb bandwagon, and that's great. It's a nice trick to lose weight, but it's
not the only way. It's not even the best way. It's just another way. I
guarantee you if Mister Cook eats 2000 calories a day of ANYTHING and
continues to exercise as he is, he will experience massive weight loss. He's
eating too many calories, evidently.

05-21-2004, 12:38 PM

"Badger_South" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> On Fri, 21 May 2004 11:24:36 GMT, "Gooserider"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Doug Cook" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> >news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> >> I know I asked for some thoughts, but come on, people! 170 responses
in
> >> 48hrs? Maybe I should have asked a less controversial question like
the
> >> role of religion in politics or something.
> >
> >Nothing controversial about it. Losing weight is NOT complicated. Fat
people
> >like to think it is, but it isn't. I'll say this again---if you burn more
> >calories than you intake, you will lose weight. Period. The body is kinda
> >neat in the way it follows the laws of physics. Yes, you can do all sorts
of
> >tricks, like carbohydrate reduction and such, but it all comes down to
> >intake vs. output. You weigh 274 pounds, so you need to intake at least
2740
> >just to maintain. Since you're riding a lot, you have to be eating a lot
of
> >calories somewhere. You're on the right track by monitoring what you eat,
> >but make sure to keep portion control. Measure your food if you have to.
If
> >you eat 2700 kcal/day and exercise, you will lose weight. Just remember
to
> >keep yourself in calorie debt. Exercise is not an excuse to pig out,
until
> >you get to racer-weight. :-)
>
> This just shows you how bone-headed gooserider is being.

I don't want to call BS on you, but are you claiming that people DON'T
lose weight in calorie deficit? Hogwash. There isn't a person on the face of
the earth who, given a long enough period of aerobic exercise and caloric
deficit, will not lose weight. It's simple. That's why morbidly obese people
lose weight when placed on caloric restriction. That's why famine victims
are thin. It's why Chinese peasants, who eat mainly carbohydrates, are thin.
They exercise all day and burn off what they eat. I know you're on the low
carb bandwagon, and that's great. It's a nice trick to lose weight, but it's
not the only way. It's not even the best way. It's just another way. I
guarantee you if Mister Cook eats 2000 calories a day of ANYTHING and
continues to exercise as he is, he will experience massive weight loss. He's
eating too many calories, evidently.

05-21-2004, 12:40 PM

On Fri, 21 May 2004 11:19:15 -0600, "Doug Cook" <dougconsult@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:10as3hbbdbndpd7@corp.supernews.com...
>> Badger_South wrote:
>> :: On Fri, 21 May 2004 07:47:23 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
>> :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> ::
>Snip
>
>have almost -uncontrollable- appetite!
>>
>> 2200 is only about 500 less than what he's eating now. There is a good
>> chance he can do it -- it he wants too. Frankly, with his performance on
>> the bike, I'm not sure why he wants to, other than to give into societal
>> norms. And that his choice to make..
>>
>
>Society be damned! I want to ride faster, farther, and more comfortably on
>the bike! Power to weight ratio.... that's all I'm really concerned with!
>

Infidel! If that's the up with which you could not put, ye'd ne'er end the
plea with propositions such as much!

Ya know this whole last badinage has been like jockeying for position on a
jolly good ride up the pair oh knees!

So throw another logarithym on the fire and pass me that freakin' gatorade
ya bandit!

-B

05-21-2004, 12:40 PM

On Fri, 21 May 2004 11:19:15 -0600, "Doug Cook" <dougconsult@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:10as3hbbdbndpd7@corp.supernews.com...
>> Badger_South wrote:
>> :: On Fri, 21 May 2004 07:47:23 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
>> :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> ::
>Snip
>
>have almost -uncontrollable- appetite!
>>
>> 2200 is only about 500 less than what he's eating now. There is a good
>> chance he can do it -- it he wants too. Frankly, with his performance on
>> the bike, I'm not sure why he wants to, other than to give into societal
>> norms. And that his choice to make..
>>
>
>Society be damned! I want to ride faster, farther, and more comfortably on
>the bike! Power to weight ratio.... that's all I'm really concerned with!
>

Infidel! If that's the up with which you could not put, ye'd ne'er end the
plea with propositions such as much!

Ya know this whole last badinage has been like jockeying for position on a
jolly good ride up the pair oh knees!

So throw another logarithym on the fire and pass me that freakin' gatorade
ya bandit!

-B

05-21-2004, 12:40 PM

On Fri, 21 May 2004 11:19:15 -0600, "Doug Cook" <dougconsult@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:10as3hbbdbndpd7@corp.supernews.com...
>> Badger_South wrote:
>> :: On Fri, 21 May 2004 07:47:23 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
>> :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> ::
>Snip
>
>have almost -uncontrollable- appetite!
>>
>> 2200 is only about 500 less than what he's eating now. There is a good
>> chance he can do it -- it he wants too. Frankly, with his performance on
>> the bike, I'm not sure why he wants to, other than to give into societal
>> norms. And that his choice to make..
>>
>
>Society be damned! I want to ride faster, farther, and more comfortably on
>the bike! Power to weight ratio.... that's all I'm really concerned with!
>

Infidel! If that's the up with which you could not put, ye'd ne'er end the
plea with propositions such as much!

Ya know this whole last badinage has been like jockeying for position on a
jolly good ride up the pair oh knees!

So throw another logarithym on the fire and pass me that freakin' gatorade
ya bandit!

-B

05-21-2004, 12:40 PM

On Fri, 21 May 2004 11:19:15 -0600, "Doug Cook" <dougconsult@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:10as3hbbdbndpd7@corp.supernews.com...
>> Badger_South wrote:
>> :: On Fri, 21 May 2004 07:47:23 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
>> :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> ::
>Snip
>
>have almost -uncontrollable- appetite!
>>
>> 2200 is only about 500 less than what he's eating now. There is a good
>> chance he can do it -- it he wants too. Frankly, with his performance on
>> the bike, I'm not sure why he wants to, other than to give into societal
>> norms. And that his choice to make..
>>
>
>Society be damned! I want to ride faster, farther, and more comfortably on
>the bike! Power to weight ratio.... that's all I'm really concerned with!
>

Infidel! If that's the up with which you could not put, ye'd ne'er end the
plea with propositions such as much!

Ya know this whole last badinage has been like jockeying for position on a
jolly good ride up the pair oh knees!

So throw another logarithym on the fire and pass me that freakin' gatorade
ya bandit!

-B