Terry leather saddle durability? - Page 5 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

05-29-2004, 08:54 AM

I have a Terry Fly saddle with 7000 miles on it. Aside from a bit of scuffing,
it is fine. Before that I had a Terry Liberator that I put about 4000 miles on
without a problem. Maybe you have a bad saddke.

Joel

05-30-2004, 05:20 AM

Thanks to all who replied with experience with Terry leather saddles. I
think it likely that I just got a saddle with a bad finish. Only problem
with returning it to Performance for a replacement is that the replacement
is likely to be from the same lot and the whole lot may be (probably was)
bad.

So I think I'll just send it back for a refund. Went to a local shop
yesterday looking at vinyl saddles and bought a Specialized Milano (leather,
chrom-molly, like the Liberator) which had very favorable ratings in
mtbreview. It's made in Taiwan and the leather does not have the slick
(shiny) finish of the Terry. We'll see how it holds up later today.

Probably would have bought it local in the first place when I went to look
two weeks ago and asked for leather saddles, but they said they had none.
We stumbled on this one while looking at vinyl saddles yesterday. Sheesh.
People really ought to know what the heck they sell.

Again, thanks to those kind enough to answer my questions.

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
Visual Basic programmer)
"GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> It's not the leather itself that is wearing. It's the finish coat coming
off
> from contact with my cotton shorts. In any case, that old saddle was
> lycra-covered which is nowhere near as tough a material as any leather I'm
> familiar with...and it lasted two years with the wear-through coming at
the
> corners, probably exacerbated by lots of sun-exposure (my bike lives on my
> bike carrier when not in use with the saddle covered by a plastic bag).
>
> This Terry saddle wear is on the flat surface area, not the corners. It
> looks like the result of really poor leather finishing. I mean really
poor.
>
> --
>
> - GRL
>
> "It's good to want things."
>
> Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
> Visual Basic programmer)
> "Ken" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:Xns94F7AF35D23B9x12@216.251.47.166...
> > "GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
> > news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]:
> > > I was utterly shocked. I bought leather because I thought it would be
> > > more durable. (The leather seats on our 13 year old Toyota have never
> > > done this.) Is this typical of the leather Terry uses? Is this typical
> > > of other leather saddles? It can't be, I hope. Who would buy the
things?
> >
> > How heavy are you? Some bike saddles use a super-thin leather cover
that
> can
> > wear out pretty quickly under a very heavy rider. Compare those to a
> thick
> > leather saddle like those made by Brooks.
>
>

05-30-2004, 05:20 AM

Thanks to all who replied with experience with Terry leather saddles. I
think it likely that I just got a saddle with a bad finish. Only problem
with returning it to Performance for a replacement is that the replacement
is likely to be from the same lot and the whole lot may be (probably was)
bad.

So I think I'll just send it back for a refund. Went to a local shop
yesterday looking at vinyl saddles and bought a Specialized Milano (leather,
chrom-molly, like the Liberator) which had very favorable ratings in
mtbreview. It's made in Taiwan and the leather does not have the slick
(shiny) finish of the Terry. We'll see how it holds up later today.

Probably would have bought it local in the first place when I went to look
two weeks ago and asked for leather saddles, but they said they had none.
We stumbled on this one while looking at vinyl saddles yesterday. Sheesh.
People really ought to know what the heck they sell.

Again, thanks to those kind enough to answer my questions.

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
Visual Basic programmer)
"GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> It's not the leather itself that is wearing. It's the finish coat coming
off
> from contact with my cotton shorts. In any case, that old saddle was
> lycra-covered which is nowhere near as tough a material as any leather I'm
> familiar with...and it lasted two years with the wear-through coming at
the
> corners, probably exacerbated by lots of sun-exposure (my bike lives on my
> bike carrier when not in use with the saddle covered by a plastic bag).
>
> This Terry saddle wear is on the flat surface area, not the corners. It
> looks like the result of really poor leather finishing. I mean really
poor.
>
> --
>
> - GRL
>
> "It's good to want things."
>
> Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
> Visual Basic programmer)
> "Ken" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:Xns94F7AF35D23B9x12@216.251.47.166...
> > "GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
> > news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]:
> > > I was utterly shocked. I bought leather because I thought it would be
> > > more durable. (The leather seats on our 13 year old Toyota have never
> > > done this.) Is this typical of the leather Terry uses? Is this typical
> > > of other leather saddles? It can't be, I hope. Who would buy the
things?
> >
> > How heavy are you? Some bike saddles use a super-thin leather cover
that
> can
> > wear out pretty quickly under a very heavy rider. Compare those to a
> thick
> > leather saddle like those made by Brooks.
>
>

05-30-2004, 05:20 AM

Thanks to all who replied with experience with Terry leather saddles. I
think it likely that I just got a saddle with a bad finish. Only problem
with returning it to Performance for a replacement is that the replacement
is likely to be from the same lot and the whole lot may be (probably was)
bad.

So I think I'll just send it back for a refund. Went to a local shop
yesterday looking at vinyl saddles and bought a Specialized Milano (leather,
chrom-molly, like the Liberator) which had very favorable ratings in
mtbreview. It's made in Taiwan and the leather does not have the slick
(shiny) finish of the Terry. We'll see how it holds up later today.

Probably would have bought it local in the first place when I went to look
two weeks ago and asked for leather saddles, but they said they had none.
We stumbled on this one while looking at vinyl saddles yesterday. Sheesh.
People really ought to know what the heck they sell.

Again, thanks to those kind enough to answer my questions.

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
Visual Basic programmer)
"GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> It's not the leather itself that is wearing. It's the finish coat coming
off
> from contact with my cotton shorts. In any case, that old saddle was
> lycra-covered which is nowhere near as tough a material as any leather I'm
> familiar with...and it lasted two years with the wear-through coming at
the
> corners, probably exacerbated by lots of sun-exposure (my bike lives on my
> bike carrier when not in use with the saddle covered by a plastic bag).
>
> This Terry saddle wear is on the flat surface area, not the corners. It
> looks like the result of really poor leather finishing. I mean really
poor.
>
> --
>
> - GRL
>
> "It's good to want things."
>
> Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
> Visual Basic programmer)
> "Ken" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:Xns94F7AF35D23B9x12@216.251.47.166...
> > "GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
> > news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]:
> > > I was utterly shocked. I bought leather because I thought it would be
> > > more durable. (The leather seats on our 13 year old Toyota have never
> > > done this.) Is this typical of the leather Terry uses? Is this typical
> > > of other leather saddles? It can't be, I hope. Who would buy the
things?
> >
> > How heavy are you? Some bike saddles use a super-thin leather cover
that
> can
> > wear out pretty quickly under a very heavy rider. Compare those to a
> thick
> > leather saddle like those made by Brooks.
>
>

05-30-2004, 05:20 AM

Thanks to all who replied with experience with Terry leather saddles. I
think it likely that I just got a saddle with a bad finish. Only problem
with returning it to Performance for a replacement is that the replacement
is likely to be from the same lot and the whole lot may be (probably was)
bad.

So I think I'll just send it back for a refund. Went to a local shop
yesterday looking at vinyl saddles and bought a Specialized Milano (leather,
chrom-molly, like the Liberator) which had very favorable ratings in
mtbreview. It's made in Taiwan and the leather does not have the slick
(shiny) finish of the Terry. We'll see how it holds up later today.

Probably would have bought it local in the first place when I went to look
two weeks ago and asked for leather saddles, but they said they had none.
We stumbled on this one while looking at vinyl saddles yesterday. Sheesh.
People really ought to know what the heck they sell.

Again, thanks to those kind enough to answer my questions.

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
Visual Basic programmer)
"GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> It's not the leather itself that is wearing. It's the finish coat coming
off
> from contact with my cotton shorts. In any case, that old saddle was
> lycra-covered which is nowhere near as tough a material as any leather I'm
> familiar with...and it lasted two years with the wear-through coming at
the
> corners, probably exacerbated by lots of sun-exposure (my bike lives on my
> bike carrier when not in use with the saddle covered by a plastic bag).
>
> This Terry saddle wear is on the flat surface area, not the corners. It
> looks like the result of really poor leather finishing. I mean really
poor.
>
> --
>
> - GRL
>
> "It's good to want things."
>
> Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
> Visual Basic programmer)
> "Ken" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:Xns94F7AF35D23B9x12@216.251.47.166...
> > "GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
> > news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]:
> > > I was utterly shocked. I bought leather because I thought it would be
> > > more durable. (The leather seats on our 13 year old Toyota have never
> > > done this.) Is this typical of the leather Terry uses? Is this typical
> > > of other leather saddles? It can't be, I hope. Who would buy the
things?
> >
> > How heavy are you? Some bike saddles use a super-thin leather cover
that
> can
> > wear out pretty quickly under a very heavy rider. Compare those to a
> thick
> > leather saddle like those made by Brooks.
>
>

05-30-2004, 05:20 AM

Thanks to all who replied with experience with Terry leather saddles. I
think it likely that I just got a saddle with a bad finish. Only problem
with returning it to Performance for a replacement is that the replacement
is likely to be from the same lot and the whole lot may be (probably was)
bad.

So I think I'll just send it back for a refund. Went to a local shop
yesterday looking at vinyl saddles and bought a Specialized Milano (leather,
chrom-molly, like the Liberator) which had very favorable ratings in
mtbreview. It's made in Taiwan and the leather does not have the slick
(shiny) finish of the Terry. We'll see how it holds up later today.

Probably would have bought it local in the first place when I went to look
two weeks ago and asked for leather saddles, but they said they had none.
We stumbled on this one while looking at vinyl saddles yesterday. Sheesh.
People really ought to know what the heck they sell.

Again, thanks to those kind enough to answer my questions.

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
Visual Basic programmer)
"GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> It's not the leather itself that is wearing. It's the finish coat coming
off
> from contact with my cotton shorts. In any case, that old saddle was
> lycra-covered which is nowhere near as tough a material as any leather I'm
> familiar with...and it lasted two years with the wear-through coming at
the
> corners, probably exacerbated by lots of sun-exposure (my bike lives on my
> bike carrier when not in use with the saddle covered by a plastic bag).
>
> This Terry saddle wear is on the flat surface area, not the corners. It
> looks like the result of really poor leather finishing. I mean really
poor.
>
> --
>
> - GRL
>
> "It's good to want things."
>
> Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
> Visual Basic programmer)
> "Ken" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:Xns94F7AF35D23B9x12@216.251.47.166...
> > "GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
> > news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]:
> > > I was utterly shocked. I bought leather because I thought it would be
> > > more durable. (The leather seats on our 13 year old Toyota have never
> > > done this.) Is this typical of the leather Terry uses? Is this typical
> > > of other leather saddles? It can't be, I hope. Who would buy the
things?
> >
> > How heavy are you? Some bike saddles use a super-thin leather cover
that
> can
> > wear out pretty quickly under a very heavy rider. Compare those to a
> thick
> > leather saddle like those made by Brooks.
>
>

05-31-2004, 05:01 AM

The answer is that the Specialized Milano leather (from Taiwan) held up just
fine. It's also a much more comfortable saddle than the Liberator was. A
pity that the fellow in the LBS did not know he sold such a thing when I
first came looking a couple of weeks ago. Would have saved me the hassle of
getting that Terry Italian POS. So much for "old world craftsmanship".

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
Visual Basic programmer)
"GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> Thanks to all who replied with experience with Terry leather saddles. I
> think it likely that I just got a saddle with a bad finish. Only problem
> with returning it to Performance for a replacement is that the replacement
> is likely to be from the same lot and the whole lot may be (probably was)
> bad.
>
> So I think I'll just send it back for a refund. Went to a local shop
> yesterday looking at vinyl saddles and bought a Specialized Milano
(leather,
> chrom-molly, like the Liberator) which had very favorable ratings in
> mtbreview. It's made in Taiwan and the leather does not have the slick
> (shiny) finish of the Terry. We'll see how it holds up later today.
>
> Probably would have bought it local in the first place when I went to look
> two weeks ago and asked for leather saddles, but they said they had none.
> We stumbled on this one while looking at vinyl saddles yesterday. Sheesh.
> People really ought to know what the heck they sell.
>
> Again, thanks to those kind enough to answer my questions.
>
> - GRL
>
> "It's good to want things."
>
> Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
> Visual Basic programmer)
> "GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> > It's not the leather itself that is wearing. It's the finish coat coming
> off
> > from contact with my cotton shorts. In any case, that old saddle was
> > lycra-covered which is nowhere near as tough a material as any leather
I'm
> > familiar with...and it lasted two years with the wear-through coming at
> the
> > corners, probably exacerbated by lots of sun-exposure (my bike lives on
my
> > bike carrier when not in use with the saddle covered by a plastic bag).
> >
> > This Terry saddle wear is on the flat surface area, not the corners. It
> > looks like the result of really poor leather finishing. I mean really
> poor.
> >
> > --
> >
> > - GRL
> >
> > "It's good to want things."
> >
> > Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
> > Visual Basic programmer)
> > "Ken" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > news:Xns94F7AF35D23B9x12@216.251.47.166...
> > > "GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
> > > news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]:
> > > > I was utterly shocked. I bought leather because I thought it would
be
> > > > more durable. (The leather seats on our 13 year old Toyota have
never
> > > > done this.) Is this typical of the leather Terry uses? Is this
typical
> > > > of other leather saddles? It can't be, I hope. Who would buy the
> things?
> > >
> > > How heavy are you? Some bike saddles use a super-thin leather cover
> that
> > can
> > > wear out pretty quickly under a very heavy rider. Compare those to a
> > thick
> > > leather saddle like those made by Brooks.
> >
> >
>
>

05-31-2004, 05:01 AM

The answer is that the Specialized Milano leather (from Taiwan) held up just
fine. It's also a much more comfortable saddle than the Liberator was. A
pity that the fellow in the LBS did not know he sold such a thing when I
first came looking a couple of weeks ago. Would have saved me the hassle of
getting that Terry Italian POS. So much for "old world craftsmanship".

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
Visual Basic programmer)
"GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> Thanks to all who replied with experience with Terry leather saddles. I
> think it likely that I just got a saddle with a bad finish. Only problem
> with returning it to Performance for a replacement is that the replacement
> is likely to be from the same lot and the whole lot may be (probably was)
> bad.
>
> So I think I'll just send it back for a refund. Went to a local shop
> yesterday looking at vinyl saddles and bought a Specialized Milano
(leather,
> chrom-molly, like the Liberator) which had very favorable ratings in
> mtbreview. It's made in Taiwan and the leather does not have the slick
> (shiny) finish of the Terry. We'll see how it holds up later today.
>
> Probably would have bought it local in the first place when I went to look
> two weeks ago and asked for leather saddles, but they said they had none.
> We stumbled on this one while looking at vinyl saddles yesterday. Sheesh.
> People really ought to know what the heck they sell.
>
> Again, thanks to those kind enough to answer my questions.
>
> - GRL
>
> "It's good to want things."
>
> Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
> Visual Basic programmer)
> "GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> > It's not the leather itself that is wearing. It's the finish coat coming
> off
> > from contact with my cotton shorts. In any case, that old saddle was
> > lycra-covered which is nowhere near as tough a material as any leather
I'm
> > familiar with...and it lasted two years with the wear-through coming at
> the
> > corners, probably exacerbated by lots of sun-exposure (my bike lives on
my
> > bike carrier when not in use with the saddle covered by a plastic bag).
> >
> > This Terry saddle wear is on the flat surface area, not the corners. It
> > looks like the result of really poor leather finishing. I mean really
> poor.
> >
> > --
> >
> > - GRL
> >
> > "It's good to want things."
> >
> > Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
> > Visual Basic programmer)
> > "Ken" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > news:Xns94F7AF35D23B9x12@216.251.47.166...
> > > "GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
> > > news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]:
> > > > I was utterly shocked. I bought leather because I thought it would
be
> > > > more durable. (The leather seats on our 13 year old Toyota have
never
> > > > done this.) Is this typical of the leather Terry uses? Is this
typical
> > > > of other leather saddles? It can't be, I hope. Who would buy the
> things?
> > >
> > > How heavy are you? Some bike saddles use a super-thin leather cover
> that
> > can
> > > wear out pretty quickly under a very heavy rider. Compare those to a
> > thick
> > > leather saddle like those made by Brooks.
> >
> >
>
>

05-31-2004, 05:01 AM

The answer is that the Specialized Milano leather (from Taiwan) held up just
fine. It's also a much more comfortable saddle than the Liberator was. A
pity that the fellow in the LBS did not know he sold such a thing when I
first came looking a couple of weeks ago. Would have saved me the hassle of
getting that Terry Italian POS. So much for "old world craftsmanship".

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
Visual Basic programmer)
"GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> Thanks to all who replied with experience with Terry leather saddles. I
> think it likely that I just got a saddle with a bad finish. Only problem
> with returning it to Performance for a replacement is that the replacement
> is likely to be from the same lot and the whole lot may be (probably was)
> bad.
>
> So I think I'll just send it back for a refund. Went to a local shop
> yesterday looking at vinyl saddles and bought a Specialized Milano
(leather,
> chrom-molly, like the Liberator) which had very favorable ratings in
> mtbreview. It's made in Taiwan and the leather does not have the slick
> (shiny) finish of the Terry. We'll see how it holds up later today.
>
> Probably would have bought it local in the first place when I went to look
> two weeks ago and asked for leather saddles, but they said they had none.
> We stumbled on this one while looking at vinyl saddles yesterday. Sheesh.
> People really ought to know what the heck they sell.
>
> Again, thanks to those kind enough to answer my questions.
>
> - GRL
>
> "It's good to want things."
>
> Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
> Visual Basic programmer)
> "GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> > It's not the leather itself that is wearing. It's the finish coat coming
> off
> > from contact with my cotton shorts. In any case, that old saddle was
> > lycra-covered which is nowhere near as tough a material as any leather
I'm
> > familiar with...and it lasted two years with the wear-through coming at
> the
> > corners, probably exacerbated by lots of sun-exposure (my bike lives on
my
> > bike carrier when not in use with the saddle covered by a plastic bag).
> >
> > This Terry saddle wear is on the flat surface area, not the corners. It
> > looks like the result of really poor leather finishing. I mean really
> poor.
> >
> > --
> >
> > - GRL
> >
> > "It's good to want things."
> >
> > Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
> > Visual Basic programmer)
> > "Ken" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > news:Xns94F7AF35D23B9x12@216.251.47.166...
> > > "GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
> > > news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]:
> > > > I was utterly shocked. I bought leather because I thought it would
be
> > > > more durable. (The leather seats on our 13 year old Toyota have
never
> > > > done this.) Is this typical of the leather Terry uses? Is this
typical
> > > > of other leather saddles? It can't be, I hope. Who would buy the
> things?
> > >
> > > How heavy are you? Some bike saddles use a super-thin leather cover
> that
> > can
> > > wear out pretty quickly under a very heavy rider. Compare those to a
> > thick
> > > leather saddle like those made by Brooks.
> >
> >
>
>

05-31-2004, 05:01 AM

The answer is that the Specialized Milano leather (from Taiwan) held up just
fine. It's also a much more comfortable saddle than the Liberator was. A
pity that the fellow in the LBS did not know he sold such a thing when I
first came looking a couple of weeks ago. Would have saved me the hassle of
getting that Terry Italian POS. So much for "old world craftsmanship".

- GRL

"It's good to want things."

Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
Visual Basic programmer)
"GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> Thanks to all who replied with experience with Terry leather saddles. I
> think it likely that I just got a saddle with a bad finish. Only problem
> with returning it to Performance for a replacement is that the replacement
> is likely to be from the same lot and the whole lot may be (probably was)
> bad.
>
> So I think I'll just send it back for a refund. Went to a local shop
> yesterday looking at vinyl saddles and bought a Specialized Milano
(leather,
> chrom-molly, like the Liberator) which had very favorable ratings in
> mtbreview. It's made in Taiwan and the leather does not have the slick
> (shiny) finish of the Terry. We'll see how it holds up later today.
>
> Probably would have bought it local in the first place when I went to look
> two weeks ago and asked for leather saddles, but they said they had none.
> We stumbled on this one while looking at vinyl saddles yesterday. Sheesh.
> People really ought to know what the heck they sell.
>
> Again, thanks to those kind enough to answer my questions.
>
> - GRL
>
> "It's good to want things."
>
> Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
> Visual Basic programmer)
> "GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> > It's not the leather itself that is wearing. It's the finish coat coming
> off
> > from contact with my cotton shorts. In any case, that old saddle was
> > lycra-covered which is nowhere near as tough a material as any leather
I'm
> > familiar with...and it lasted two years with the wear-through coming at
> the
> > corners, probably exacerbated by lots of sun-exposure (my bike lives on
my
> > bike carrier when not in use with the saddle covered by a plastic bag).
> >
> > This Terry saddle wear is on the flat surface area, not the corners. It
> > looks like the result of really poor leather finishing. I mean really
> poor.
> >
> > --
> >
> > - GRL
> >
> > "It's good to want things."
> >
> > Steve Barr (philosopher, poet, humorist, chemist,
> > Visual Basic programmer)
> > "Ken" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
> > news:Xns94F7AF35D23B9x12@216.251.47.166...
> > > "GRL" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in
> > > news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]:
> > > > I was utterly shocked. I bought leather because I thought it would
be
> > > > more durable. (The leather seats on our 13 year old Toyota have
never
> > > > done this.) Is this typical of the leather Terry uses? Is this
typical
> > > > of other leather saddles? It can't be, I hope. Who would buy the
> things?
> > >
> > > How heavy are you? Some bike saddles use a super-thin leather cover
> that
> > can
> > > wear out pretty quickly under a very heavy rider. Compare those to a
> > thick
> > > leather saddle like those made by Brooks.
> >
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