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06-05-2004, 08:41 AM

Tom Keats wrote:

> But I'm getting this sense, from the political vehemence of
> some of the posts, that there's something going on; that
> there's a localized movement to have cycling facilities of
> some sort put on this Bryant Street.

I don't think so. Bryant St. is probably untouchable, as it was the
first "bike boulevards" in the country (one of things Palo Alto
likes to brag about). It's a wide residential street with barriers
every several blocks that only bikes can pass through, so there's
very little car traffic. There is almost no striping, not even a
center stripe. There are only two stop signs, and those are
four-way. All the cross streets have stop signs (and this is where
you have to watch out for cars).

Ellen Fletcher, a local bicycle advocate, worked to get Bryant St.
made into a bike boulevard. Recently, they named it after her:

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terry morse Palo Alto, CA [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-05-2004, 08:41 AM

Tom Keats wrote:

> If anything, griping about road/street unridability might
> be one of the first symptoms of Cycling Inferiority Complex.
>
> Defending such gripes might be one of the first symptoms
> of Advocacy. Next thing ya know, segregated bike lanes
> are demanded.
>
> Maybe Bryant St could use segregated bike lanes. I dunno.
> But it sounds like it needs some heads-up riding.
>
> So the complainers should just ride it heads-up. And/or
> get the civic officials to fix/enforce it. That's all.

Thanks for stating what I was trying to, but with much more tact.
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terry morse Palo Alto, CA [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-05-2004, 08:41 AM

Tom Keats wrote:

> If anything, griping about road/street unridability might
> be one of the first symptoms of Cycling Inferiority Complex.
>
> Defending such gripes might be one of the first symptoms
> of Advocacy. Next thing ya know, segregated bike lanes
> are demanded.
>
> Maybe Bryant St could use segregated bike lanes. I dunno.
> But it sounds like it needs some heads-up riding.
>
> So the complainers should just ride it heads-up. And/or
> get the civic officials to fix/enforce it. That's all.

Thanks for stating what I was trying to, but with much more tact.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-05-2004, 08:41 AM

Tom Keats wrote:

> If anything, griping about road/street unridability might
> be one of the first symptoms of Cycling Inferiority Complex.
>
> Defending such gripes might be one of the first symptoms
> of Advocacy. Next thing ya know, segregated bike lanes
> are demanded.
>
> Maybe Bryant St could use segregated bike lanes. I dunno.
> But it sounds like it needs some heads-up riding.
>
> So the complainers should just ride it heads-up. And/or
> get the civic officials to fix/enforce it. That's all.

Thanks for stating what I was trying to, but with much more tact.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-05-2004, 08:41 AM

Tom Keats wrote:

> If anything, griping about road/street unridability might
> be one of the first symptoms of Cycling Inferiority Complex.
>
> Defending such gripes might be one of the first symptoms
> of Advocacy. Next thing ya know, segregated bike lanes
> are demanded.
>
> Maybe Bryant St could use segregated bike lanes. I dunno.
> But it sounds like it needs some heads-up riding.
>
> So the complainers should just ride it heads-up. And/or
> get the civic officials to fix/enforce it. That's all.

Thanks for stating what I was trying to, but with much more tact.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-05-2004, 08:41 AM

Tom Keats wrote:

> If anything, griping about road/street unridability might
> be one of the first symptoms of Cycling Inferiority Complex.
>
> Defending such gripes might be one of the first symptoms
> of Advocacy. Next thing ya know, segregated bike lanes
> are demanded.
>
> Maybe Bryant St could use segregated bike lanes. I dunno.
> But it sounds like it needs some heads-up riding.
>
> So the complainers should just ride it heads-up. And/or
> get the civic officials to fix/enforce it. That's all.

Thanks for stating what I was trying to, but with much more tact.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-05-2004, 09:16 AM

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats) writes:

> So have your City traffic-calm it or something,
> or have them put-in bike lanes. Whatever.

I don't see how bike lanes or "traffic calming" would help the
problem that I'm pointing out: drivers at cross streets don't
stop at their stop signs and don't look both ways before
crossing.
--
"Q: How does a hacker fix a function which
doesn't work for all of the elements in its domain?
A: He changes the domain."
--Thorfinn

06-05-2004, 09:16 AM

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats) writes:

> So have your City traffic-calm it or something,
> or have them put-in bike lanes. Whatever.

I don't see how bike lanes or "traffic calming" would help the
problem that I'm pointing out: drivers at cross streets don't
stop at their stop signs and don't look both ways before
crossing.
--
"Q: How does a hacker fix a function which
doesn't work for all of the elements in its domain?
A: He changes the domain."
--Thorfinn

06-05-2004, 09:16 AM

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats) writes:

> So have your City traffic-calm it or something,
> or have them put-in bike lanes. Whatever.

I don't see how bike lanes or "traffic calming" would help the
problem that I'm pointing out: drivers at cross streets don't
stop at their stop signs and don't look both ways before
crossing.
--
"Q: How does a hacker fix a function which
doesn't work for all of the elements in its domain?
A: He changes the domain."
--Thorfinn

06-05-2004, 09:16 AM

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Tom Keats) writes:

> So have your City traffic-calm it or something,
> or have them put-in bike lanes. Whatever.

I don't see how bike lanes or "traffic calming" would help the
problem that I'm pointing out: drivers at cross streets don't
stop at their stop signs and don't look both ways before
crossing.
--
"Q: How does a hacker fix a function which
doesn't work for all of the elements in its domain?
A: He changes the domain."
--Thorfinn