Hit and Run - Page 49 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

06-06-2004, 07:44 AM

"Frank Krygowski" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> Bill wrote:
>
> > Does anybody just get off the bike and walk across the busy
> > intersections?
>
> Well, I can't remember ever doing that. Seems slow, inconvenient, and
> possibly more dangerous.

I can remember doing that. When I was a kid I used to do it all the time.
Maybe I had worse traffic to deal with when I was growing up. I remember the
first time I took the lane for a left turn at a light. Man, did I feel like
I was something else.

I also go into ped mode in areas with heavy ped and car traffic. Getting out
of a baseball game is an excellent example. I'm much better off walking the
bike with the millions of other people on foot, than to be in the clumsier
position of being a vehicle.

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06-06-2004, 07:53 AM

Zoot Katz wrote:
> Sat, 05 Jun 2004 11:06:42 -0400, <40c1df90$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].edu>,
> Frank Krygowski <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>
>>How would you have the button in reach of a cyclist, without having it
>>be a collision hazard?
>>
>>What if a cyclist intended to make a left turn? Would he push the
>>button on the right side of the road, then drag the bike over toward the
>>left?
>
>
> Yes, or ignore the button altogether and trust the buried sensors to
> pick up the bike.
>
> Unfortunately, they're most often stuck on a post at the curb. Some
> are on small diverter islands in the center of a traffic calmed
> street.
>
> Many streets, especially around schools, that aren't yet specifically
> designated cycling routes are getting them too.

Interesting. I've never, ever seen one designed for cyclists. Only
pedestrians.

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06-06-2004, 07:53 AM

Zoot Katz wrote:
> Sat, 05 Jun 2004 11:06:42 -0400, <40c1df90$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].edu>,
> Frank Krygowski <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>
>>How would you have the button in reach of a cyclist, without having it
>>be a collision hazard?
>>
>>What if a cyclist intended to make a left turn? Would he push the
>>button on the right side of the road, then drag the bike over toward the
>>left?
>
>
> Yes, or ignore the button altogether and trust the buried sensors to
> pick up the bike.
>
> Unfortunately, they're most often stuck on a post at the curb. Some
> are on small diverter islands in the center of a traffic calmed
> street.
>
> Many streets, especially around schools, that aren't yet specifically
> designated cycling routes are getting them too.

Interesting. I've never, ever seen one designed for cyclists. Only
pedestrians.

--
--------------------+
Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com,
replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

06-06-2004, 07:53 AM

Zoot Katz wrote:
> Sat, 05 Jun 2004 11:06:42 -0400, <40c1df90$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].edu>,
> Frank Krygowski <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>
>>How would you have the button in reach of a cyclist, without having it
>>be a collision hazard?
>>
>>What if a cyclist intended to make a left turn? Would he push the
>>button on the right side of the road, then drag the bike over toward the
>>left?
>
>
> Yes, or ignore the button altogether and trust the buried sensors to
> pick up the bike.
>
> Unfortunately, they're most often stuck on a post at the curb. Some
> are on small diverter islands in the center of a traffic calmed
> street.
>
> Many streets, especially around schools, that aren't yet specifically
> designated cycling routes are getting them too.

Interesting. I've never, ever seen one designed for cyclists. Only
pedestrians.

--
--------------------+
Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com,
replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

06-06-2004, 07:53 AM

Zoot Katz wrote:
> Sat, 05 Jun 2004 11:06:42 -0400, <40c1df90$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].edu>,
> Frank Krygowski <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>
>>How would you have the button in reach of a cyclist, without having it
>>be a collision hazard?
>>
>>What if a cyclist intended to make a left turn? Would he push the
>>button on the right side of the road, then drag the bike over toward the
>>left?
>
>
> Yes, or ignore the button altogether and trust the buried sensors to
> pick up the bike.
>
> Unfortunately, they're most often stuck on a post at the curb. Some
> are on small diverter islands in the center of a traffic calmed
> street.
>
> Many streets, especially around schools, that aren't yet specifically
> designated cycling routes are getting them too.

Interesting. I've never, ever seen one designed for cyclists. Only
pedestrians.

--
--------------------+
Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com,
replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

06-06-2004, 07:53 AM

Zoot Katz wrote:
> Sat, 05 Jun 2004 11:06:42 -0400, <40c1df90$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].edu>,
> Frank Krygowski <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
>
>>How would you have the button in reach of a cyclist, without having it
>>be a collision hazard?
>>
>>What if a cyclist intended to make a left turn? Would he push the
>>button on the right side of the road, then drag the bike over toward the
>>left?
>
>
> Yes, or ignore the button altogether and trust the buried sensors to
> pick up the bike.
>
> Unfortunately, they're most often stuck on a post at the curb. Some
> are on small diverter islands in the center of a traffic calmed
> street.
>
> Many streets, especially around schools, that aren't yet specifically
> designated cycling routes are getting them too.

Interesting. I've never, ever seen one designed for cyclists. Only
pedestrians.

--
--------------------+
Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com,
replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

06-06-2004, 02:44 PM

>>>>>Baloney. If a cyclist continues to get himself in
>>>>>near miss situations with law breaking motorists on
>>>>>the same road, there's something wrong with the cyclist.
>>
>>The post quoted above blames the cyclist for _getting himself_
>>in near-miss situations with law-breaking motorists.
>>How do you parse that into _not_ blaming the cyclist??
>
> No blame stated, and no blame assigned.

If the phrase _there's something wrong with the cyclist_ is not an
assignation of blame for _getting himself_ in near-miss situations with
law-breaking motorists, then what is it??

--
It's not about anger -- it's about peace.
It's not about power -- it's about grace.
It's not about knowing your enemy -- it's about knowing yourself.

06-06-2004, 02:44 PM

>>>>>Baloney. If a cyclist continues to get himself in
>>>>>near miss situations with law breaking motorists on
>>>>>the same road, there's something wrong with the cyclist.
>>
>>The post quoted above blames the cyclist for _getting himself_
>>in near-miss situations with law-breaking motorists.
>>How do you parse that into _not_ blaming the cyclist??
>
> No blame stated, and no blame assigned.

If the phrase _there's something wrong with the cyclist_ is not an
assignation of blame for _getting himself_ in near-miss situations with
law-breaking motorists, then what is it??

--
It's not about anger -- it's about peace.
It's not about power -- it's about grace.
It's not about knowing your enemy -- it's about knowing yourself.

06-06-2004, 02:44 PM

>>>>>Baloney. If a cyclist continues to get himself in
>>>>>near miss situations with law breaking motorists on
>>>>>the same road, there's something wrong with the cyclist.
>>
>>The post quoted above blames the cyclist for _getting himself_
>>in near-miss situations with law-breaking motorists.
>>How do you parse that into _not_ blaming the cyclist??
>
> No blame stated, and no blame assigned.

If the phrase _there's something wrong with the cyclist_ is not an
assignation of blame for _getting himself_ in near-miss situations with
law-breaking motorists, then what is it??

--
It's not about anger -- it's about peace.
It's not about power -- it's about grace.
It's not about knowing your enemy -- it's about knowing yourself.

06-06-2004, 02:44 PM

>>>>>Baloney. If a cyclist continues to get himself in
>>>>>near miss situations with law breaking motorists on
>>>>>the same road, there's something wrong with the cyclist.
>>
>>The post quoted above blames the cyclist for _getting himself_
>>in near-miss situations with law-breaking motorists.
>>How do you parse that into _not_ blaming the cyclist??
>
> No blame stated, and no blame assigned.

If the phrase _there's something wrong with the cyclist_ is not an
assignation of blame for _getting himself_ in near-miss situations with
law-breaking motorists, then what is it??

--
It's not about anger -- it's about peace.
It's not about power -- it's about grace.
It's not about knowing your enemy -- it's about knowing yourself.