Kidney Stones & Riding - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

06-04-2004, 05:16 AM

Hi All

I've been road cycling hard core for about 4 years now and I just had
my first experience with a kidney stone (not fun). The lab results
came back as calcium oxalate. The Urologist is telling me I need to
cut down on my calcium intake with things like green leafy veggies,
chocolate (oh no!) and nuts. I'm not convinced this is the problem
since my diet has not varied for many years and I do not consume lots
of dairy products and I have about two salads a week. My thought is
that I am loosing too much sodium and potassium while riding, and not
replacing it fast enough. This would cause an electrolite imbalance. I
drink lots of water and sports drinks while riding and about 4 liters
or H2O daily. Am I not taking enough sodium? Anyone have thoughts on
this or experienced the same? Any doctors care to comment?

Thanks

Howard.

06-04-2004, 05:29 AM

I have had my share of kidney stones over the years including a massive episode
2 years ago of passing several.

I am firmly convinced that my episode 2 years ago (I passed about 5) was caused
because I was on a powerful and yucky drug called Tegretol (which I was taking
for Trigeminal Neuralgia),

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which threw my electrolytes off balance, although the docs pooh-pooh this..

That was my first episode in many years, and it has stopped since I had brain
surgery to cure the TN and am off the drug.

Previous to that, I had kidney stones in my 20's and 30's. I have currently
been told that the single best prevention is lots and lots of hydration, and
that what you eat is much lesser significance (mine are also calcium oxalate).

At one time I was taking two Potassium Phosphate (KPhos) tablets daily, but now
that is dismissed as hogwash!

So, the docs tell me - drink and drink to prevent.

I do notice that on this web site

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

that they recommend reducing CA intake!

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
(Colorado rental condo)

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(Family Web Page)

06-04-2004, 05:29 AM

I have had my share of kidney stones over the years including a massive episode
2 years ago of passing several.

I am firmly convinced that my episode 2 years ago (I passed about 5) was caused
because I was on a powerful and yucky drug called Tegretol (which I was taking
for Trigeminal Neuralgia),

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

which threw my electrolytes off balance, although the docs pooh-pooh this..

That was my first episode in many years, and it has stopped since I had brain
surgery to cure the TN and am off the drug.

Previous to that, I had kidney stones in my 20's and 30's. I have currently
been told that the single best prevention is lots and lots of hydration, and
that what you eat is much lesser significance (mine are also calcium oxalate).

At one time I was taking two Potassium Phosphate (KPhos) tablets daily, but now
that is dismissed as hogwash!

So, the docs tell me - drink and drink to prevent.

I do notice that on this web site

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

that they recommend reducing CA intake!

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
(Colorado rental condo)

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
(Family Web Page)

06-04-2004, 05:29 AM

I have had my share of kidney stones over the years including a massive episode
2 years ago of passing several.

I am firmly convinced that my episode 2 years ago (I passed about 5) was caused
because I was on a powerful and yucky drug called Tegretol (which I was taking
for Trigeminal Neuralgia),

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

which threw my electrolytes off balance, although the docs pooh-pooh this..

That was my first episode in many years, and it has stopped since I had brain
surgery to cure the TN and am off the drug.

Previous to that, I had kidney stones in my 20's and 30's. I have currently
been told that the single best prevention is lots and lots of hydration, and
that what you eat is much lesser significance (mine are also calcium oxalate).

At one time I was taking two Potassium Phosphate (KPhos) tablets daily, but now
that is dismissed as hogwash!

So, the docs tell me - drink and drink to prevent.

I do notice that on this web site

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

that they recommend reducing CA intake!

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
(Colorado rental condo)

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
(Family Web Page)

06-04-2004, 05:29 AM

I have had my share of kidney stones over the years including a massive episode
2 years ago of passing several.

I am firmly convinced that my episode 2 years ago (I passed about 5) was caused
because I was on a powerful and yucky drug called Tegretol (which I was taking
for Trigeminal Neuralgia),

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

which threw my electrolytes off balance, although the docs pooh-pooh this..

That was my first episode in many years, and it has stopped since I had brain
surgery to cure the TN and am off the drug.

Previous to that, I had kidney stones in my 20's and 30's. I have currently
been told that the single best prevention is lots and lots of hydration, and
that what you eat is much lesser significance (mine are also calcium oxalate).

At one time I was taking two Potassium Phosphate (KPhos) tablets daily, but now
that is dismissed as hogwash!

So, the docs tell me - drink and drink to prevent.

I do notice that on this web site

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

that they recommend reducing CA intake!

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
(Colorado rental condo)

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
(Family Web Page)

06-04-2004, 05:29 AM

I have had my share of kidney stones over the years including a massive episode
2 years ago of passing several.

I am firmly convinced that my episode 2 years ago (I passed about 5) was caused
because I was on a powerful and yucky drug called Tegretol (which I was taking
for Trigeminal Neuralgia),

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

which threw my electrolytes off balance, although the docs pooh-pooh this..

That was my first episode in many years, and it has stopped since I had brain
surgery to cure the TN and am off the drug.

Previous to that, I had kidney stones in my 20's and 30's. I have currently
been told that the single best prevention is lots and lots of hydration, and
that what you eat is much lesser significance (mine are also calcium oxalate).

At one time I was taking two Potassium Phosphate (KPhos) tablets daily, but now
that is dismissed as hogwash!

So, the docs tell me - drink and drink to prevent.

I do notice that on this web site

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

that they recommend reducing CA intake!

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
(Colorado rental condo)

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
(Family Web Page)

06-04-2004, 07:33 AM

howitzer <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> I've been road cycling hard core for about 4 years now and I just had
> my first experience with a kidney stone (not fun). The lab results
> came back as calcium oxalate. The Urologist is telling me I need to
> cut down on my calcium intake with things like green leafy veggies,
> chocolate (oh no!) and nuts.

hmmm, that's a weird one. i used to get 'em like clockwork every 2 years
(calcium oxalate/phosphate? not sure -- i didn't have insurance for most of
my twenties) for 8 years and then they just stopped 6 years ago. i still
bike just as often, hydrate about the same or not (i don't really think about
electrolytes). what changed was i stopped drinking what had been a fair bit
of milk & soda and became a vegetarian (ie, i'm now eating a lot more leafy
veggies and nuts, thanks -- i'm a mutant who doesn't like chocolate).

i still have vivid memories of being in fetal position in an observation
room. yow .. then again, i do have knowledge most people my age don't
have about really good pain killers. actually, my favourite memory of
kidney stones is after starting to pass one (while uninsured) at breakfast
i got on my bike and went downtown minneapolis and tried to buy health
insurance. clearly i wasn't thinking too straight. i entered the office
at lunch hour (i'm not exactly a morning person) and when the receptionist
told me it would be 40 minutes i knew i couldn't wait that long (it was
starting to hurt bad enuf to effect my vision) i went to work where i
walked into tech-support and asked for a ride to the clinic at the U of M.
someone gave me one but i got nauseous and vomit'd in the nearest bag i
could grab. which turned out to be his mcd's breakfast .. i know that
because his comment was:

"awww, man. you owe me a bacon, egg and cheese biscuit meal."

then came the demerol shot.

but hey, good luck with the not getting kidney stones thing.
--
david reuteler
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06-04-2004, 07:33 AM

howitzer <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> I've been road cycling hard core for about 4 years now and I just had
> my first experience with a kidney stone (not fun). The lab results
> came back as calcium oxalate. The Urologist is telling me I need to
> cut down on my calcium intake with things like green leafy veggies,
> chocolate (oh no!) and nuts.

hmmm, that's a weird one. i used to get 'em like clockwork every 2 years
(calcium oxalate/phosphate? not sure -- i didn't have insurance for most of
my twenties) for 8 years and then they just stopped 6 years ago. i still
bike just as often, hydrate about the same or not (i don't really think about
electrolytes). what changed was i stopped drinking what had been a fair bit
of milk & soda and became a vegetarian (ie, i'm now eating a lot more leafy
veggies and nuts, thanks -- i'm a mutant who doesn't like chocolate).

i still have vivid memories of being in fetal position in an observation
room. yow .. then again, i do have knowledge most people my age don't
have about really good pain killers. actually, my favourite memory of
kidney stones is after starting to pass one (while uninsured) at breakfast
i got on my bike and went downtown minneapolis and tried to buy health
insurance. clearly i wasn't thinking too straight. i entered the office
at lunch hour (i'm not exactly a morning person) and when the receptionist
told me it would be 40 minutes i knew i couldn't wait that long (it was
starting to hurt bad enuf to effect my vision) i went to work where i
walked into tech-support and asked for a ride to the clinic at the U of M.
someone gave me one but i got nauseous and vomit'd in the nearest bag i
could grab. which turned out to be his mcd's breakfast .. i know that
because his comment was:

"awww, man. you owe me a bacon, egg and cheese biscuit meal."

then came the demerol shot.

but hey, good luck with the not getting kidney stones thing.
--
david reuteler
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-04-2004, 07:33 AM

howitzer <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> I've been road cycling hard core for about 4 years now and I just had
> my first experience with a kidney stone (not fun). The lab results
> came back as calcium oxalate. The Urologist is telling me I need to
> cut down on my calcium intake with things like green leafy veggies,
> chocolate (oh no!) and nuts.

hmmm, that's a weird one. i used to get 'em like clockwork every 2 years
(calcium oxalate/phosphate? not sure -- i didn't have insurance for most of
my twenties) for 8 years and then they just stopped 6 years ago. i still
bike just as often, hydrate about the same or not (i don't really think about
electrolytes). what changed was i stopped drinking what had been a fair bit
of milk & soda and became a vegetarian (ie, i'm now eating a lot more leafy
veggies and nuts, thanks -- i'm a mutant who doesn't like chocolate).

i still have vivid memories of being in fetal position in an observation
room. yow .. then again, i do have knowledge most people my age don't
have about really good pain killers. actually, my favourite memory of
kidney stones is after starting to pass one (while uninsured) at breakfast
i got on my bike and went downtown minneapolis and tried to buy health
insurance. clearly i wasn't thinking too straight. i entered the office
at lunch hour (i'm not exactly a morning person) and when the receptionist
told me it would be 40 minutes i knew i couldn't wait that long (it was
starting to hurt bad enuf to effect my vision) i went to work where i
walked into tech-support and asked for a ride to the clinic at the U of M.
someone gave me one but i got nauseous and vomit'd in the nearest bag i
could grab. which turned out to be his mcd's breakfast .. i know that
because his comment was:

"awww, man. you owe me a bacon, egg and cheese biscuit meal."

then came the demerol shot.

but hey, good luck with the not getting kidney stones thing.
--
david reuteler
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-04-2004, 07:33 AM

howitzer <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> I've been road cycling hard core for about 4 years now and I just had
> my first experience with a kidney stone (not fun). The lab results
> came back as calcium oxalate. The Urologist is telling me I need to
> cut down on my calcium intake with things like green leafy veggies,
> chocolate (oh no!) and nuts.

hmmm, that's a weird one. i used to get 'em like clockwork every 2 years
(calcium oxalate/phosphate? not sure -- i didn't have insurance for most of
my twenties) for 8 years and then they just stopped 6 years ago. i still
bike just as often, hydrate about the same or not (i don't really think about
electrolytes). what changed was i stopped drinking what had been a fair bit
of milk & soda and became a vegetarian (ie, i'm now eating a lot more leafy
veggies and nuts, thanks -- i'm a mutant who doesn't like chocolate).

i still have vivid memories of being in fetal position in an observation
room. yow .. then again, i do have knowledge most people my age don't
have about really good pain killers. actually, my favourite memory of
kidney stones is after starting to pass one (while uninsured) at breakfast
i got on my bike and went downtown minneapolis and tried to buy health
insurance. clearly i wasn't thinking too straight. i entered the office
at lunch hour (i'm not exactly a morning person) and when the receptionist
told me it would be 40 minutes i knew i couldn't wait that long (it was
starting to hurt bad enuf to effect my vision) i went to work where i
walked into tech-support and asked for a ride to the clinic at the U of M.
someone gave me one but i got nauseous and vomit'd in the nearest bag i
could grab. which turned out to be his mcd's breakfast .. i know that
because his comment was:

"awww, man. you owe me a bacon, egg and cheese biscuit meal."

then came the demerol shot.

but hey, good luck with the not getting kidney stones thing.
--
david reuteler
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]