What did I do wrong? re: nutrition? - Page 14 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

06-09-2004, 08:33 PM

Chalo wrote:
:: Badger_South <Badger@South.net> wrote:
:::
::: On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:32:50 -0400, David Kerber
::: <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> wrote:
:::
:::::
::::: Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm.
::::
:::: That would likely be maybe .25 lbs of fat, and 1.75 lbs of water.
:::
::: No argument there. However, after an evening of modest rehydration,
::: I'm still down 2lbs. Prob. daily flux, though. Still I'll take it
::: any way I get it. ;-p
::
:: Man, you'd best take care dieting that way. My mom, brother, and
:: sister all lost tons of weight on the Atkins diet-- over 200 lbs.
:: among them by my reckoning. When they stopped observing the regimen,
:: it all (plus more) came back so fast you'd scarcely believe it. Now
:: they eat less than ever and they're fatter than ever.

That's because they went nuts and completely abandoned what got them
there....

::
:: Like any reduction diet, low-carb trains your body. If you want to
:: get stronger, you train your body by lifting weights. If you want
:: greater endurance, you train by doing long-duration athletic
:: activity. And if you want to train your body to be as fat as
:: possible on the
:: least possible amount of food, you reduce your food intake.

Not true...

::
:: With low-carb dieting, you train your body to run off of fat.
:: Succeed
:: in this, and you'll have a body that stores every extra molecule of
:: starch it can get as fat.

Not true.....I don't gain fat when I eat carbs...but I would if I over ate
all the time...

It's a bum deal, and it only works for as
:: long as you're willing to observe the bizarre and ultimately
:: unsatisfactory dietary guidelines.

Not true...

Let the regimen slip, and like
:: magic you're fatter than you were when you started-- and with a
:: tuned-up, hyper-efficient metabolism that makes it easier than ever
:: to
:: gain more weight.

Gosh, you're good at pulling **** out of your arse

::
:: Dieting works to take weight off. Exercise works to take weight off.
:: Both of them really only work for as long as you keep up the effort.
:: But which would you rather live with for the rest of your life-- an
:: exercise habit, or some weird diet that prevents you from enjoying
:: the quantity and variety of good eating that most people have
:: available to
:: them?

You know nothing about low carbing....there is nothing weird about what you
eat..the variety is amazing....one simply needs to develop the skill to do
it well.

::
:: Twice in my life I have lost big chunks of weight over short periods
:: of time-- in my case, not through any intentional dieting but simply
:: because of situational changes of habits. Yet after both those
:: episodes, I ended up predisposed to more weight gain because I'd
:: lowered my baseline metabolic rate. I now weigh close to 400 lbs and
:: never eat as much as 3000 calories in a day (most days, more like
:: 2000). I don't think I'd be in this situation if I hadn't lost so
:: much weight so quickly.

How quickly? I started low carbing in October 2001 and i'm down 130
lbs...it has not come back yet....

::
:: Chalo Colina

06-10-2004, 01:33 AM

On 9 Jun 2004 19:58:24 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Chalo) wrote:

>Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:32:50 -0400, David Kerber <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm.
>> >
>> >That would likely be maybe .25 lbs of fat, and 1.75 lbs of water.
>>
>> No argument there. However, after an evening of modest rehydration, I'm
>> still down 2lbs. Prob. daily flux, though. Still I'll take it any way I get
>> it. ;-p
>
>Man, you'd best take care dieting that way. My mom, brother, and
>sister all lost tons of weight on the Atkins diet-- over 200 lbs.
>among them by my reckoning. When they stopped observing the regimen,
>it all (plus more) came back so fast you'd scarcely believe it. Now
>they eat less than ever and they're fatter than ever.

Thanks for the concern and the testimonial, CC.

However, I'm not new to low carb, I've been doing it since 2000-2001. The
first time I lost over 70lbs, but then (as you say) I went off the diet due
to a couple big stressors, and gained back about 40lbs.

So this is my second go, and from the prev. experience, I know the diet is
a way of life, and not something you do for a short period.

This time my strategy is a little more comprehensive, and that is to couple
the diet with a fairly high energy lifestyle, doing something that I enjoy
and that I think I can continue to do for many years (the first time I
didn't do a lot of exercise, except for weight lifting). In addition I'm
setting long-term and short-term goals to help me keep up my interest in
biking.

As I lose the weight, the biking regime increases, and my daily energy
output increases, so they seem to be synergistic - at least for me. A
lighter biker is a faster biker; and the better I bike, the further I want
to go.

The first time on the diet (2000-2002), I didn't have any trouble staying
on the LC way of eating, and it was a freakish combination of events that
got me off it, not a desire to stop the diet once I reached the weight.

But your advice is definitely important - you can't just do this diet for a
short-term goal, and it only 'works', IME, once or twice. You can't yo-yo
on it, b/c after the first or second time you do it, the body seems to be
resistant to weight loss that way for many ppl.

Thanks for taking the time to post.

Best,

-Badger

06-10-2004, 01:33 AM

On 9 Jun 2004 19:58:24 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Chalo) wrote:

>Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:32:50 -0400, David Kerber <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm.
>> >
>> >That would likely be maybe .25 lbs of fat, and 1.75 lbs of water.
>>
>> No argument there. However, after an evening of modest rehydration, I'm
>> still down 2lbs. Prob. daily flux, though. Still I'll take it any way I get
>> it. ;-p
>
>Man, you'd best take care dieting that way. My mom, brother, and
>sister all lost tons of weight on the Atkins diet-- over 200 lbs.
>among them by my reckoning. When they stopped observing the regimen,
>it all (plus more) came back so fast you'd scarcely believe it. Now
>they eat less than ever and they're fatter than ever.

Thanks for the concern and the testimonial, CC.

However, I'm not new to low carb, I've been doing it since 2000-2001. The
first time I lost over 70lbs, but then (as you say) I went off the diet due
to a couple big stressors, and gained back about 40lbs.

So this is my second go, and from the prev. experience, I know the diet is
a way of life, and not something you do for a short period.

This time my strategy is a little more comprehensive, and that is to couple
the diet with a fairly high energy lifestyle, doing something that I enjoy
and that I think I can continue to do for many years (the first time I
didn't do a lot of exercise, except for weight lifting). In addition I'm
setting long-term and short-term goals to help me keep up my interest in
biking.

As I lose the weight, the biking regime increases, and my daily energy
output increases, so they seem to be synergistic - at least for me. A
lighter biker is a faster biker; and the better I bike, the further I want
to go.

The first time on the diet (2000-2002), I didn't have any trouble staying
on the LC way of eating, and it was a freakish combination of events that
got me off it, not a desire to stop the diet once I reached the weight.

But your advice is definitely important - you can't just do this diet for a
short-term goal, and it only 'works', IME, once or twice. You can't yo-yo
on it, b/c after the first or second time you do it, the body seems to be
resistant to weight loss that way for many ppl.

Thanks for taking the time to post.

Best,

-Badger

06-10-2004, 01:33 AM

On 9 Jun 2004 19:58:24 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Chalo) wrote:

>Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:32:50 -0400, David Kerber <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm.
>> >
>> >That would likely be maybe .25 lbs of fat, and 1.75 lbs of water.
>>
>> No argument there. However, after an evening of modest rehydration, I'm
>> still down 2lbs. Prob. daily flux, though. Still I'll take it any way I get
>> it. ;-p
>
>Man, you'd best take care dieting that way. My mom, brother, and
>sister all lost tons of weight on the Atkins diet-- over 200 lbs.
>among them by my reckoning. When they stopped observing the regimen,
>it all (plus more) came back so fast you'd scarcely believe it. Now
>they eat less than ever and they're fatter than ever.

Thanks for the concern and the testimonial, CC.

However, I'm not new to low carb, I've been doing it since 2000-2001. The
first time I lost over 70lbs, but then (as you say) I went off the diet due
to a couple big stressors, and gained back about 40lbs.

So this is my second go, and from the prev. experience, I know the diet is
a way of life, and not something you do for a short period.

This time my strategy is a little more comprehensive, and that is to couple
the diet with a fairly high energy lifestyle, doing something that I enjoy
and that I think I can continue to do for many years (the first time I
didn't do a lot of exercise, except for weight lifting). In addition I'm
setting long-term and short-term goals to help me keep up my interest in
biking.

As I lose the weight, the biking regime increases, and my daily energy
output increases, so they seem to be synergistic - at least for me. A
lighter biker is a faster biker; and the better I bike, the further I want
to go.

The first time on the diet (2000-2002), I didn't have any trouble staying
on the LC way of eating, and it was a freakish combination of events that
got me off it, not a desire to stop the diet once I reached the weight.

But your advice is definitely important - you can't just do this diet for a
short-term goal, and it only 'works', IME, once or twice. You can't yo-yo
on it, b/c after the first or second time you do it, the body seems to be
resistant to weight loss that way for many ppl.

Thanks for taking the time to post.

Best,

-Badger

06-10-2004, 01:33 AM

On 9 Jun 2004 19:58:24 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Chalo) wrote:

>Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:32:50 -0400, David Kerber <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm.
>> >
>> >That would likely be maybe .25 lbs of fat, and 1.75 lbs of water.
>>
>> No argument there. However, after an evening of modest rehydration, I'm
>> still down 2lbs. Prob. daily flux, though. Still I'll take it any way I get
>> it. ;-p
>
>Man, you'd best take care dieting that way. My mom, brother, and
>sister all lost tons of weight on the Atkins diet-- over 200 lbs.
>among them by my reckoning. When they stopped observing the regimen,
>it all (plus more) came back so fast you'd scarcely believe it. Now
>they eat less than ever and they're fatter than ever.

Thanks for the concern and the testimonial, CC.

However, I'm not new to low carb, I've been doing it since 2000-2001. The
first time I lost over 70lbs, but then (as you say) I went off the diet due
to a couple big stressors, and gained back about 40lbs.

So this is my second go, and from the prev. experience, I know the diet is
a way of life, and not something you do for a short period.

This time my strategy is a little more comprehensive, and that is to couple
the diet with a fairly high energy lifestyle, doing something that I enjoy
and that I think I can continue to do for many years (the first time I
didn't do a lot of exercise, except for weight lifting). In addition I'm
setting long-term and short-term goals to help me keep up my interest in
biking.

As I lose the weight, the biking regime increases, and my daily energy
output increases, so they seem to be synergistic - at least for me. A
lighter biker is a faster biker; and the better I bike, the further I want
to go.

The first time on the diet (2000-2002), I didn't have any trouble staying
on the LC way of eating, and it was a freakish combination of events that
got me off it, not a desire to stop the diet once I reached the weight.

But your advice is definitely important - you can't just do this diet for a
short-term goal, and it only 'works', IME, once or twice. You can't yo-yo
on it, b/c after the first or second time you do it, the body seems to be
resistant to weight loss that way for many ppl.

Thanks for taking the time to post.

Best,

-Badger

06-10-2004, 01:33 AM

On 9 Jun 2004 19:58:24 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Chalo) wrote:

>Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:32:50 -0400, David Kerber <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm.
>> >
>> >That would likely be maybe .25 lbs of fat, and 1.75 lbs of water.
>>
>> No argument there. However, after an evening of modest rehydration, I'm
>> still down 2lbs. Prob. daily flux, though. Still I'll take it any way I get
>> it. ;-p
>
>Man, you'd best take care dieting that way. My mom, brother, and
>sister all lost tons of weight on the Atkins diet-- over 200 lbs.
>among them by my reckoning. When they stopped observing the regimen,
>it all (plus more) came back so fast you'd scarcely believe it. Now
>they eat less than ever and they're fatter than ever.

Thanks for the concern and the testimonial, CC.

However, I'm not new to low carb, I've been doing it since 2000-2001. The
first time I lost over 70lbs, but then (as you say) I went off the diet due
to a couple big stressors, and gained back about 40lbs.

So this is my second go, and from the prev. experience, I know the diet is
a way of life, and not something you do for a short period.

This time my strategy is a little more comprehensive, and that is to couple
the diet with a fairly high energy lifestyle, doing something that I enjoy
and that I think I can continue to do for many years (the first time I
didn't do a lot of exercise, except for weight lifting). In addition I'm
setting long-term and short-term goals to help me keep up my interest in
biking.

As I lose the weight, the biking regime increases, and my daily energy
output increases, so they seem to be synergistic - at least for me. A
lighter biker is a faster biker; and the better I bike, the further I want
to go.

The first time on the diet (2000-2002), I didn't have any trouble staying
on the LC way of eating, and it was a freakish combination of events that
got me off it, not a desire to stop the diet once I reached the weight.

But your advice is definitely important - you can't just do this diet for a
short-term goal, and it only 'works', IME, once or twice. You can't yo-yo
on it, b/c after the first or second time you do it, the body seems to be
resistant to weight loss that way for many ppl.

Thanks for taking the time to post.

Best,

-Badger

06-10-2004, 06:00 AM

Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> On 9 Jun 2004 19:58:24 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Chalo) wrote:
>
> >Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:32:50 -0400, David Kerber <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm.
> >> >
> >> >That would likely be maybe .25 lbs of fat, and 1.75 lbs of water.
> >>
> >> No argument there. However, after an evening of modest rehydration, I'm
> >> still down 2lbs. Prob. daily flux, though. Still I'll take it any way I get
> >> it. ;-p
> >
> >Man, you'd best take care dieting that way. My mom, brother, and
> >sister all lost tons of weight on the Atkins diet-- over 200 lbs.
> >among them by my reckoning. When they stopped observing the regimen,
> >it all (plus more) came back so fast you'd scarcely believe it. Now
> >they eat less than ever and they're fatter than ever.
>
> Thanks for the concern and the testimonial, CC.
>
> However, I'm not new to low carb, I've been doing it since 2000-2001. The
> first time I lost over 70lbs, but then (as you say) I went off the diet due
> to a couple big stressors, and gained back about 40lbs.
>
> So this is my second go, and from the prev. experience, I know the diet is
> a way of life, and not something you do for a short period.
>
> This time my strategy is a little more comprehensive, and that is to couple
> the diet with a fairly high energy lifestyle, doing something that I enjoy
> and that I think I can continue to do for many years (the first time I
> didn't do a lot of exercise, except for weight lifting). In addition I'm
> setting long-term and short-term goals to help me keep up my interest in
> biking.
>
> As I lose the weight, the biking regime increases, and my daily energy
> output increases, so they seem to be synergistic - at least for me. A
> lighter biker is a faster biker; and the better I bike, the further I want
> to go.
>
> The first time on the diet (2000-2002), I didn't have any trouble staying
> on the LC way of eating, and it was a freakish combination of events that
> got me off it, not a desire to stop the diet once I reached the weight.
>
> But your advice is definitely important - you can't just do this diet for a
> short-term goal, and it only 'works', IME, once or twice. You can't yo-yo
> on it, b/c after the first or second time you do it, the body seems to be
> resistant to weight loss that way for many ppl.

you can't do that with *any* diet. it's not restricted to atkins.

06-10-2004, 06:00 AM

Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> On 9 Jun 2004 19:58:24 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Chalo) wrote:
>
> >Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:32:50 -0400, David Kerber <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm.
> >> >
> >> >That would likely be maybe .25 lbs of fat, and 1.75 lbs of water.
> >>
> >> No argument there. However, after an evening of modest rehydration, I'm
> >> still down 2lbs. Prob. daily flux, though. Still I'll take it any way I get
> >> it. ;-p
> >
> >Man, you'd best take care dieting that way. My mom, brother, and
> >sister all lost tons of weight on the Atkins diet-- over 200 lbs.
> >among them by my reckoning. When they stopped observing the regimen,
> >it all (plus more) came back so fast you'd scarcely believe it. Now
> >they eat less than ever and they're fatter than ever.
>
> Thanks for the concern and the testimonial, CC.
>
> However, I'm not new to low carb, I've been doing it since 2000-2001. The
> first time I lost over 70lbs, but then (as you say) I went off the diet due
> to a couple big stressors, and gained back about 40lbs.
>
> So this is my second go, and from the prev. experience, I know the diet is
> a way of life, and not something you do for a short period.
>
> This time my strategy is a little more comprehensive, and that is to couple
> the diet with a fairly high energy lifestyle, doing something that I enjoy
> and that I think I can continue to do for many years (the first time I
> didn't do a lot of exercise, except for weight lifting). In addition I'm
> setting long-term and short-term goals to help me keep up my interest in
> biking.
>
> As I lose the weight, the biking regime increases, and my daily energy
> output increases, so they seem to be synergistic - at least for me. A
> lighter biker is a faster biker; and the better I bike, the further I want
> to go.
>
> The first time on the diet (2000-2002), I didn't have any trouble staying
> on the LC way of eating, and it was a freakish combination of events that
> got me off it, not a desire to stop the diet once I reached the weight.
>
> But your advice is definitely important - you can't just do this diet for a
> short-term goal, and it only 'works', IME, once or twice. You can't yo-yo
> on it, b/c after the first or second time you do it, the body seems to be
> resistant to weight loss that way for many ppl.

you can't do that with *any* diet. it's not restricted to atkins.

06-10-2004, 06:00 AM

Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> On 9 Jun 2004 19:58:24 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Chalo) wrote:
>
> >Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:32:50 -0400, David Kerber <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm.
> >> >
> >> >That would likely be maybe .25 lbs of fat, and 1.75 lbs of water.
> >>
> >> No argument there. However, after an evening of modest rehydration, I'm
> >> still down 2lbs. Prob. daily flux, though. Still I'll take it any way I get
> >> it. ;-p
> >
> >Man, you'd best take care dieting that way. My mom, brother, and
> >sister all lost tons of weight on the Atkins diet-- over 200 lbs.
> >among them by my reckoning. When they stopped observing the regimen,
> >it all (plus more) came back so fast you'd scarcely believe it. Now
> >they eat less than ever and they're fatter than ever.
>
> Thanks for the concern and the testimonial, CC.
>
> However, I'm not new to low carb, I've been doing it since 2000-2001. The
> first time I lost over 70lbs, but then (as you say) I went off the diet due
> to a couple big stressors, and gained back about 40lbs.
>
> So this is my second go, and from the prev. experience, I know the diet is
> a way of life, and not something you do for a short period.
>
> This time my strategy is a little more comprehensive, and that is to couple
> the diet with a fairly high energy lifestyle, doing something that I enjoy
> and that I think I can continue to do for many years (the first time I
> didn't do a lot of exercise, except for weight lifting). In addition I'm
> setting long-term and short-term goals to help me keep up my interest in
> biking.
>
> As I lose the weight, the biking regime increases, and my daily energy
> output increases, so they seem to be synergistic - at least for me. A
> lighter biker is a faster biker; and the better I bike, the further I want
> to go.
>
> The first time on the diet (2000-2002), I didn't have any trouble staying
> on the LC way of eating, and it was a freakish combination of events that
> got me off it, not a desire to stop the diet once I reached the weight.
>
> But your advice is definitely important - you can't just do this diet for a
> short-term goal, and it only 'works', IME, once or twice. You can't yo-yo
> on it, b/c after the first or second time you do it, the body seems to be
> resistant to weight loss that way for many ppl.

you can't do that with *any* diet. it's not restricted to atkins.

06-10-2004, 06:00 AM

Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:

> On 9 Jun 2004 19:58:24 -0700, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Chalo) wrote:
>
> >Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:32:50 -0400, David Kerber <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm.
> >> >
> >> >That would likely be maybe .25 lbs of fat, and 1.75 lbs of water.
> >>
> >> No argument there. However, after an evening of modest rehydration, I'm
> >> still down 2lbs. Prob. daily flux, though. Still I'll take it any way I get
> >> it. ;-p
> >
> >Man, you'd best take care dieting that way. My mom, brother, and
> >sister all lost tons of weight on the Atkins diet-- over 200 lbs.
> >among them by my reckoning. When they stopped observing the regimen,
> >it all (plus more) came back so fast you'd scarcely believe it. Now
> >they eat less than ever and they're fatter than ever.
>
> Thanks for the concern and the testimonial, CC.
>
> However, I'm not new to low carb, I've been doing it since 2000-2001. The
> first time I lost over 70lbs, but then (as you say) I went off the diet due
> to a couple big stressors, and gained back about 40lbs.
>
> So this is my second go, and from the prev. experience, I know the diet is
> a way of life, and not something you do for a short period.
>
> This time my strategy is a little more comprehensive, and that is to couple
> the diet with a fairly high energy lifestyle, doing something that I enjoy
> and that I think I can continue to do for many years (the first time I
> didn't do a lot of exercise, except for weight lifting). In addition I'm
> setting long-term and short-term goals to help me keep up my interest in
> biking.
>
> As I lose the weight, the biking regime increases, and my daily energy
> output increases, so they seem to be synergistic - at least for me. A
> lighter biker is a faster biker; and the better I bike, the further I want
> to go.
>
> The first time on the diet (2000-2002), I didn't have any trouble staying
> on the LC way of eating, and it was a freakish combination of events that
> got me off it, not a desire to stop the diet once I reached the weight.
>
> But your advice is definitely important - you can't just do this diet for a
> short-term goal, and it only 'works', IME, once or twice. You can't yo-yo
> on it, b/c after the first or second time you do it, the body seems to be
> resistant to weight loss that way for many ppl.

you can't do that with *any* diet. it's not restricted to atkins.