What did I do wrong? re: nutrition? - Page 6 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

06-07-2004, 06:28 AM

GaryG wrote:
:: "Badger_South" <Badger@South.net> wrote in message
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::: On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 18:35:53 -0700, "GaryG"
::: <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote:
:::
:::: "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
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::::: I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The
::::: weather was great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a
::::: low carb diet pretty strict from Tuesday until Saturday night,
::::: which was the night before the ride. I ate sushi that night and
::::: a salad. The next morning I ate a banana and piece of chicken
::::: sausage and a cookie when I got to the ride start. I set out and
::::: pretty much pushed from the start. I felt really pretty good on
::::: the ride. Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas
::::: and 1/2 of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I
::::: ate 1/2 of a sandwich and another cookie and some more water. I
::::: was only drinking water on this ride. I felt okay coming home
::::: but began to get a bit dizzy. I stood up and felt really dizzy
::::: for a bit and had to put my head lower for few. I ate some rice,
::::: pasta, fish and some blueberry yogurt and laid down for an hour
::::: or so and now feel much better.
:::::
::::: Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get
::::: dizzy?
:::::
::::: Thanks,
::::: Curt
:::::
::::
:::: It sounds like a typical low-carb bonk. This is one reason why
:::: many folks think that low-carb is inappropriate for the
:::: athletically inclined.
::::
:::: On your ride, you probably burned around 2600 calories (assuming
:::: 35 calories per mile). But, you only consumed about 500 calories
:::: during the ride, and your breakfast was probably only around 400
:::: calories. And, you had been "low-carbing" for days prior to the
:::: ride. Finally, you rode "hard"...when you do that, your body
:::: needs carbs...but, you've not been consuming sufficient carbs for
:::: days.
::::
:::: I've heard it said that on rides lasting longer than an hour or
:::: two, you should try to consume around 250 calories per hour. This
:::: won't replace all the calories you're burning (unless you're going
:::: very, very slow), but will help prevent the bonk.
::::
:::: Eating carbs and protein post-ride was a good idea...but, your
:::: eating habits before and during the ride are a classic case of,
:::: "Doh!"
::::
:::: GG
::::
:::
::: Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on
::: Saturday on a a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two hamburgers
::: and some lettuce the day before.
:::
::: No bonk. Rode hard. Got back and drank a diet soda and had some
::: coffee with splenda, then took a nap.
:::
::: Lost 2 lbs, and kept 'em off through this pm.
::
:: How far did you ride, and how much climbing did you do?
::
:: While your pre-ride bacon experiment-of-one might work for you, I
:: doubt it would work for most folks. I could not imagine doing a
:: multi-hour ride on only a piece of bacon (roughly 100 calories).
:: I've seen, and experienced, the bonk too many times, and that
:: "breakfast" is a recipe for bonking for most folks that I know.

I think the factors are very rider specific. I'm heavy, and I know that I'l
lhave major issues because on my routes I'm doing a lot of uphill climbing
and I try to push my way up as fast as I can. This results in my HR going
up quite high, usually over and over. I think Curt just found his limit,
even though he only weighs 180 lbs.

::
:: Most of the research I've read on nutrition for endurance athletes
:: emphasizes the importance of consuming carbs before and during the
:: ride, with carbs and protein post-ride. Perhaps it's different for
:: you, but I doubt we'll be seeing any TdF pros queueing up for bacon
:: before this year's Alpe d'Huez stage.

I agree. But I would not encourage any LCer to take extra carbs until they
learn where and what kind of riding causes them to hit the wall.

06-07-2004, 06:30 AM

Badger_South wrote:
:: On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:11:34 -0700, "GaryG"
:: <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
::
::: How far did you ride, and how much climbing did you do?
::
:: Only 35 miles - I'm still a biking wimp. ;-<
::
::: While your pre-ride bacon experiment-of-one might work for you, I
::: doubt it would work for most folks. I could not imagine doing a
::: multi-hour ride on only a piece of bacon (roughly 100 calories).
::: I've seen, and experienced, the bonk too many times, and that
::: "breakfast" is a recipe for bonking for most folks that I know.
::
:: Anything over my longest ride and I'll let a piece of hard candy
:: dissolve, or munch a few M&Ms. But I'm still pushing it, both pace
:: and distance.
::
::: Most of the research I've read on nutrition for endurance athletes
::: emphasizes the importance of consuming carbs before and during the
::: ride, with carbs and protein post-ride. Perhaps it's different for
::: you, but I doubt we'll be seeing any TdF pros queueing up for bacon
::: before this year's Alpe d'Huez stage.
::
:: Haha. Good one. But as some have said, more and more endurance
:: athletes are trying the LC diet and doing OK, along with
:: supplementation during the 'window'. For the really long events,
:: like adventure racing, they're pretty much all gone to liquid fuel
:: during the event. Note the posting from one biker who mentions that
:: without the excessive carbs he's no longer getting that sleepy
:: feeling mid-day, etc.
::
:: It's a fun experiment, and who knows how far it can be taken? But to
:: be fair, I always take some glucose snacks along just in case.

Me too.

06-07-2004, 06:30 AM

Badger_South wrote:
:: On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:11:34 -0700, "GaryG"
:: <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
::
::: How far did you ride, and how much climbing did you do?
::
:: Only 35 miles - I'm still a biking wimp. ;-<
::
::: While your pre-ride bacon experiment-of-one might work for you, I
::: doubt it would work for most folks. I could not imagine doing a
::: multi-hour ride on only a piece of bacon (roughly 100 calories).
::: I've seen, and experienced, the bonk too many times, and that
::: "breakfast" is a recipe for bonking for most folks that I know.
::
:: Anything over my longest ride and I'll let a piece of hard candy
:: dissolve, or munch a few M&Ms. But I'm still pushing it, both pace
:: and distance.
::
::: Most of the research I've read on nutrition for endurance athletes
::: emphasizes the importance of consuming carbs before and during the
::: ride, with carbs and protein post-ride. Perhaps it's different for
::: you, but I doubt we'll be seeing any TdF pros queueing up for bacon
::: before this year's Alpe d'Huez stage.
::
:: Haha. Good one. But as some have said, more and more endurance
:: athletes are trying the LC diet and doing OK, along with
:: supplementation during the 'window'. For the really long events,
:: like adventure racing, they're pretty much all gone to liquid fuel
:: during the event. Note the posting from one biker who mentions that
:: without the excessive carbs he's no longer getting that sleepy
:: feeling mid-day, etc.
::
:: It's a fun experiment, and who knows how far it can be taken? But to
:: be fair, I always take some glucose snacks along just in case.

Me too.

06-07-2004, 06:30 AM

Badger_South wrote:
:: On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:11:34 -0700, "GaryG"
:: <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
::
::: How far did you ride, and how much climbing did you do?
::
:: Only 35 miles - I'm still a biking wimp. ;-<
::
::: While your pre-ride bacon experiment-of-one might work for you, I
::: doubt it would work for most folks. I could not imagine doing a
::: multi-hour ride on only a piece of bacon (roughly 100 calories).
::: I've seen, and experienced, the bonk too many times, and that
::: "breakfast" is a recipe for bonking for most folks that I know.
::
:: Anything over my longest ride and I'll let a piece of hard candy
:: dissolve, or munch a few M&Ms. But I'm still pushing it, both pace
:: and distance.
::
::: Most of the research I've read on nutrition for endurance athletes
::: emphasizes the importance of consuming carbs before and during the
::: ride, with carbs and protein post-ride. Perhaps it's different for
::: you, but I doubt we'll be seeing any TdF pros queueing up for bacon
::: before this year's Alpe d'Huez stage.
::
:: Haha. Good one. But as some have said, more and more endurance
:: athletes are trying the LC diet and doing OK, along with
:: supplementation during the 'window'. For the really long events,
:: like adventure racing, they're pretty much all gone to liquid fuel
:: during the event. Note the posting from one biker who mentions that
:: without the excessive carbs he's no longer getting that sleepy
:: feeling mid-day, etc.
::
:: It's a fun experiment, and who knows how far it can be taken? But to
:: be fair, I always take some glucose snacks along just in case.

Me too.

06-07-2004, 06:30 AM

Badger_South wrote:
:: On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:11:34 -0700, "GaryG"
:: <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
::
::: How far did you ride, and how much climbing did you do?
::
:: Only 35 miles - I'm still a biking wimp. ;-<
::
::: While your pre-ride bacon experiment-of-one might work for you, I
::: doubt it would work for most folks. I could not imagine doing a
::: multi-hour ride on only a piece of bacon (roughly 100 calories).
::: I've seen, and experienced, the bonk too many times, and that
::: "breakfast" is a recipe for bonking for most folks that I know.
::
:: Anything over my longest ride and I'll let a piece of hard candy
:: dissolve, or munch a few M&Ms. But I'm still pushing it, both pace
:: and distance.
::
::: Most of the research I've read on nutrition for endurance athletes
::: emphasizes the importance of consuming carbs before and during the
::: ride, with carbs and protein post-ride. Perhaps it's different for
::: you, but I doubt we'll be seeing any TdF pros queueing up for bacon
::: before this year's Alpe d'Huez stage.
::
:: Haha. Good one. But as some have said, more and more endurance
:: athletes are trying the LC diet and doing OK, along with
:: supplementation during the 'window'. For the really long events,
:: like adventure racing, they're pretty much all gone to liquid fuel
:: during the event. Note the posting from one biker who mentions that
:: without the excessive carbs he's no longer getting that sleepy
:: feeling mid-day, etc.
::
:: It's a fun experiment, and who knows how far it can be taken? But to
:: be fair, I always take some glucose snacks along just in case.

Me too.

06-07-2004, 06:30 AM

Badger_South wrote:
:: On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:11:34 -0700, "GaryG"
:: <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
::
::: How far did you ride, and how much climbing did you do?
::
:: Only 35 miles - I'm still a biking wimp. ;-<
::
::: While your pre-ride bacon experiment-of-one might work for you, I
::: doubt it would work for most folks. I could not imagine doing a
::: multi-hour ride on only a piece of bacon (roughly 100 calories).
::: I've seen, and experienced, the bonk too many times, and that
::: "breakfast" is a recipe for bonking for most folks that I know.
::
:: Anything over my longest ride and I'll let a piece of hard candy
:: dissolve, or munch a few M&Ms. But I'm still pushing it, both pace
:: and distance.
::
::: Most of the research I've read on nutrition for endurance athletes
::: emphasizes the importance of consuming carbs before and during the
::: ride, with carbs and protein post-ride. Perhaps it's different for
::: you, but I doubt we'll be seeing any TdF pros queueing up for bacon
::: before this year's Alpe d'Huez stage.
::
:: Haha. Good one. But as some have said, more and more endurance
:: athletes are trying the LC diet and doing OK, along with
:: supplementation during the 'window'. For the really long events,
:: like adventure racing, they're pretty much all gone to liquid fuel
:: during the event. Note the posting from one biker who mentions that
:: without the excessive carbs he's no longer getting that sleepy
:: feeling mid-day, etc.
::
:: It's a fun experiment, and who knows how far it can be taken? But to
:: be fair, I always take some glucose snacks along just in case.

Me too.

06-07-2004, 06:39 AM

"Badger_South" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:11:34 -0700, "GaryG"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> >How far did you ride, and how much climbing did you do?
>
> Only 35 miles - I'm still a biking wimp. ;-<
>
> >While your pre-ride bacon experiment-of-one might work for you, I doubt
it
> >would work for most folks. I could not imagine doing a multi-hour ride
on
> >only a piece of bacon (roughly 100 calories). I've seen, and
experienced,
> >the bonk too many times, and that "breakfast" is a recipe for bonking for
> >most folks that I know.
>
> Anything over my longest ride and I'll let a piece of hard candy dissolve,
> or munch a few M&Ms. But I'm still pushing it, both pace and distance.
>
> >Most of the research I've read on nutrition for endurance athletes
> >emphasizes the importance of consuming carbs before and during the ride,
> >with carbs and protein post-ride. Perhaps it's different for you, but I
> >doubt we'll be seeing any TdF pros queueing up for bacon before this
year's
> >Alpe d'Huez stage.
>
> Haha. Good one. But as some have said, more and more endurance athletes
are
> trying the LC diet and doing OK, along with supplementation during the
> 'window'. For the really long events, like adventure racing, they're
pretty
> much all gone to liquid fuel during the event. Note the posting from one
> biker who mentions that without the excessive carbs he's no longer getting
> that sleepy feeling mid-day, etc.

Ditto on the sleepy mid-day feelings. Years ago I tried a very low-fat
diet, and found that I would get very sleepy around 3 pm. I don't do
low-carb, but nowadays I always try to get some good protein with lunch. It
seems to help avoid the blood sugar crash in the afternoon and I don't get
sleepy. It's still a "slow" time for me compared to the morning, however,
so perhaps it's just part of my natural pattern.

GG

>
> It's a fun experiment, and who knows how far it can be taken? But to be
> fair, I always take some glucose snacks along just in case.
>
> -B
>
>

06-07-2004, 06:39 AM

"Badger_South" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:11:34 -0700, "GaryG"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> >How far did you ride, and how much climbing did you do?
>
> Only 35 miles - I'm still a biking wimp. ;-<
>
> >While your pre-ride bacon experiment-of-one might work for you, I doubt
it
> >would work for most folks. I could not imagine doing a multi-hour ride
on
> >only a piece of bacon (roughly 100 calories). I've seen, and
experienced,
> >the bonk too many times, and that "breakfast" is a recipe for bonking for
> >most folks that I know.
>
> Anything over my longest ride and I'll let a piece of hard candy dissolve,
> or munch a few M&Ms. But I'm still pushing it, both pace and distance.
>
> >Most of the research I've read on nutrition for endurance athletes
> >emphasizes the importance of consuming carbs before and during the ride,
> >with carbs and protein post-ride. Perhaps it's different for you, but I
> >doubt we'll be seeing any TdF pros queueing up for bacon before this
year's
> >Alpe d'Huez stage.
>
> Haha. Good one. But as some have said, more and more endurance athletes
are
> trying the LC diet and doing OK, along with supplementation during the
> 'window'. For the really long events, like adventure racing, they're
pretty
> much all gone to liquid fuel during the event. Note the posting from one
> biker who mentions that without the excessive carbs he's no longer getting
> that sleepy feeling mid-day, etc.

Ditto on the sleepy mid-day feelings. Years ago I tried a very low-fat
diet, and found that I would get very sleepy around 3 pm. I don't do
low-carb, but nowadays I always try to get some good protein with lunch. It
seems to help avoid the blood sugar crash in the afternoon and I don't get
sleepy. It's still a "slow" time for me compared to the morning, however,
so perhaps it's just part of my natural pattern.

GG

>
> It's a fun experiment, and who knows how far it can be taken? But to be
> fair, I always take some glucose snacks along just in case.
>
> -B
>
>

06-07-2004, 06:39 AM

"Badger_South" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:11:34 -0700, "GaryG"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> >How far did you ride, and how much climbing did you do?
>
> Only 35 miles - I'm still a biking wimp. ;-<
>
> >While your pre-ride bacon experiment-of-one might work for you, I doubt
it
> >would work for most folks. I could not imagine doing a multi-hour ride
on
> >only a piece of bacon (roughly 100 calories). I've seen, and
experienced,
> >the bonk too many times, and that "breakfast" is a recipe for bonking for
> >most folks that I know.
>
> Anything over my longest ride and I'll let a piece of hard candy dissolve,
> or munch a few M&Ms. But I'm still pushing it, both pace and distance.
>
> >Most of the research I've read on nutrition for endurance athletes
> >emphasizes the importance of consuming carbs before and during the ride,
> >with carbs and protein post-ride. Perhaps it's different for you, but I
> >doubt we'll be seeing any TdF pros queueing up for bacon before this
year's
> >Alpe d'Huez stage.
>
> Haha. Good one. But as some have said, more and more endurance athletes
are
> trying the LC diet and doing OK, along with supplementation during the
> 'window'. For the really long events, like adventure racing, they're
pretty
> much all gone to liquid fuel during the event. Note the posting from one
> biker who mentions that without the excessive carbs he's no longer getting
> that sleepy feeling mid-day, etc.

Ditto on the sleepy mid-day feelings. Years ago I tried a very low-fat
diet, and found that I would get very sleepy around 3 pm. I don't do
low-carb, but nowadays I always try to get some good protein with lunch. It
seems to help avoid the blood sugar crash in the afternoon and I don't get
sleepy. It's still a "slow" time for me compared to the morning, however,
so perhaps it's just part of my natural pattern.

GG

>
> It's a fun experiment, and who knows how far it can be taken? But to be
> fair, I always take some glucose snacks along just in case.
>
> -B
>
>

06-07-2004, 06:39 AM

"Badger_South" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 00:11:34 -0700, "GaryG"
> <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> >How far did you ride, and how much climbing did you do?
>
> Only 35 miles - I'm still a biking wimp. ;-<
>
> >While your pre-ride bacon experiment-of-one might work for you, I doubt
it
> >would work for most folks. I could not imagine doing a multi-hour ride
on
> >only a piece of bacon (roughly 100 calories). I've seen, and
experienced,
> >the bonk too many times, and that "breakfast" is a recipe for bonking for
> >most folks that I know.
>
> Anything over my longest ride and I'll let a piece of hard candy dissolve,
> or munch a few M&Ms. But I'm still pushing it, both pace and distance.
>
> >Most of the research I've read on nutrition for endurance athletes
> >emphasizes the importance of consuming carbs before and during the ride,
> >with carbs and protein post-ride. Perhaps it's different for you, but I
> >doubt we'll be seeing any TdF pros queueing up for bacon before this
year's
> >Alpe d'Huez stage.
>
> Haha. Good one. But as some have said, more and more endurance athletes
are
> trying the LC diet and doing OK, along with supplementation during the
> 'window'. For the really long events, like adventure racing, they're
pretty
> much all gone to liquid fuel during the event. Note the posting from one
> biker who mentions that without the excessive carbs he's no longer getting
> that sleepy feeling mid-day, etc.

Ditto on the sleepy mid-day feelings. Years ago I tried a very low-fat
diet, and found that I would get very sleepy around 3 pm. I don't do
low-carb, but nowadays I always try to get some good protein with lunch. It
seems to help avoid the blood sugar crash in the afternoon and I don't get
sleepy. It's still a "slow" time for me compared to the morning, however,
so perhaps it's just part of my natural pattern.

GG

>
> It's a fun experiment, and who knows how far it can be taken? But to be
> fair, I always take some glucose snacks along just in case.
>
> -B
>
>