What did I do wrong? re: nutrition? - Page 9 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

06-07-2004, 08:05 AM

"Badger_South" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 23:01:41 GMT, "curt" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> >I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The weather was
> >great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a low carb diet pretty
> >strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, which was the night before the
> >ride. I ate sushi that night and a salad. The next morning I ate a
banana
> >and piece of chicken sausage and a cookie when I got to the ride start.
I
> >set out and pretty much pushed from the start. I felt really pretty good
on
> >the ride. Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas and 1/2 of
a
> >peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ate 1/2 of a sandwich
> >and another cookie and some more water. I was only drinking water on
this
> >ride. I felt okay coming home but began to get a bit dizzy. I stood up
and
> >felt really dizzy for a bit and had to put my head lower for few. I ate
> >some rice, pasta, fish and some blueberry yogurt and laid down for an
hour
> >or so and now feel much better.
> >
> >Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get dizzy?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Curt
>
> There could be many reasons for feeling dizzy, but despite my leanings
> towards LC, I think you did the right thing in picking the foods you did
> post-ride. I often listen to my 'internal voice' on what foods to eat when
> I'm LC-ing, b/c, IMO, my body's needs, due to the clean and frugal eating,
> are easier to 'read'.
>
> Make sure you're taking the suggested vits and supps on the LC plan,
> including minerals (potassium and calcium supplements).
>
> You might want to experiment with targetted, or cyclical ketogenic diet if
> you're doing long rides at higher intensity.
>
> Good job, btw, on the ride!
>
> -Badger
> "World's most dangerous City Bike Path Rider"

Thanks for the response.
Curt

06-07-2004, 08:07 AM

"GaryG" <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote in message
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> "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news

nNwc.8709$321.257@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The weather
was
> > great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a low carb diet pretty
> > strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, which was the night before the
> > ride. I ate sushi that night and a salad. The next morning I ate a
> banana
> > and piece of chicken sausage and a cookie when I got to the ride start.
I
> > set out and pretty much pushed from the start. I felt really pretty
good
> on
> > the ride. Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas and 1/2
of
> a
> > peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ate 1/2 of a
sandwich
> > and another cookie and some more water. I was only drinking water on
this
> > ride. I felt okay coming home but began to get a bit dizzy. I stood up
> and
> > felt really dizzy for a bit and had to put my head lower for few. I ate
> > some rice, pasta, fish and some blueberry yogurt and laid down for an
hour
> > or so and now feel much better.
> >
> > Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get dizzy?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Curt
> >
>
> It sounds like a typical low-carb bonk. This is one reason why many folks
> think that low-carb is inappropriate for the athletically inclined.
>
> On your ride, you probably burned around 2600 calories (assuming 35
calories
> per mile). But, you only consumed about 500 calories during the ride, and
> your breakfast was probably only around 400 calories. And, you had been
> "low-carbing" for days prior to the ride. Finally, you rode "hard"...when
> you do that, your body needs carbs...but, you've not been consuming
> sufficient carbs for days.
>
> I've heard it said that on rides lasting longer than an hour or two, you
> should try to consume around 250 calories per hour. This won't replace
all
> the calories you're burning (unless you're going very, very slow), but
will
> help prevent the bonk.
>
> Eating carbs and protein post-ride was a good idea...but, your eating
habits
> before and during the ride are a classic case of, "Doh!"
>
> GG

Yeah, I think the lack of carbs and me pushing so hard made it a really bad
combination. Glad I didn't bonk mid ride, but after. Not a very good
feeling to say the least.

Doh....yeah, that about says it.
Curt

06-07-2004, 08:07 AM

"GaryG" <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote in message
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> "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news

nNwc.8709$321.257@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The weather
was
> > great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a low carb diet pretty
> > strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, which was the night before the
> > ride. I ate sushi that night and a salad. The next morning I ate a
> banana
> > and piece of chicken sausage and a cookie when I got to the ride start.
I
> > set out and pretty much pushed from the start. I felt really pretty
good
> on
> > the ride. Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas and 1/2
of
> a
> > peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ate 1/2 of a
sandwich
> > and another cookie and some more water. I was only drinking water on
this
> > ride. I felt okay coming home but began to get a bit dizzy. I stood up
> and
> > felt really dizzy for a bit and had to put my head lower for few. I ate
> > some rice, pasta, fish and some blueberry yogurt and laid down for an
hour
> > or so and now feel much better.
> >
> > Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get dizzy?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Curt
> >
>
> It sounds like a typical low-carb bonk. This is one reason why many folks
> think that low-carb is inappropriate for the athletically inclined.
>
> On your ride, you probably burned around 2600 calories (assuming 35
calories
> per mile). But, you only consumed about 500 calories during the ride, and
> your breakfast was probably only around 400 calories. And, you had been
> "low-carbing" for days prior to the ride. Finally, you rode "hard"...when
> you do that, your body needs carbs...but, you've not been consuming
> sufficient carbs for days.
>
> I've heard it said that on rides lasting longer than an hour or two, you
> should try to consume around 250 calories per hour. This won't replace
all
> the calories you're burning (unless you're going very, very slow), but
will
> help prevent the bonk.
>
> Eating carbs and protein post-ride was a good idea...but, your eating
habits
> before and during the ride are a classic case of, "Doh!"
>
> GG

Yeah, I think the lack of carbs and me pushing so hard made it a really bad
combination. Glad I didn't bonk mid ride, but after. Not a very good
feeling to say the least.

Doh....yeah, that about says it.
Curt

06-07-2004, 08:07 AM

"GaryG" <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote in message
news:10c7hjqcgtv6q32@corp.supernews.com...
> "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news

nNwc.8709$321.257@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The weather
was
> > great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a low carb diet pretty
> > strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, which was the night before the
> > ride. I ate sushi that night and a salad. The next morning I ate a
> banana
> > and piece of chicken sausage and a cookie when I got to the ride start.
I
> > set out and pretty much pushed from the start. I felt really pretty
good
> on
> > the ride. Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas and 1/2
of
> a
> > peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ate 1/2 of a
sandwich
> > and another cookie and some more water. I was only drinking water on
this
> > ride. I felt okay coming home but began to get a bit dizzy. I stood up
> and
> > felt really dizzy for a bit and had to put my head lower for few. I ate
> > some rice, pasta, fish and some blueberry yogurt and laid down for an
hour
> > or so and now feel much better.
> >
> > Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get dizzy?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Curt
> >
>
> It sounds like a typical low-carb bonk. This is one reason why many folks
> think that low-carb is inappropriate for the athletically inclined.
>
> On your ride, you probably burned around 2600 calories (assuming 35
calories
> per mile). But, you only consumed about 500 calories during the ride, and
> your breakfast was probably only around 400 calories. And, you had been
> "low-carbing" for days prior to the ride. Finally, you rode "hard"...when
> you do that, your body needs carbs...but, you've not been consuming
> sufficient carbs for days.
>
> I've heard it said that on rides lasting longer than an hour or two, you
> should try to consume around 250 calories per hour. This won't replace
all
> the calories you're burning (unless you're going very, very slow), but
will
> help prevent the bonk.
>
> Eating carbs and protein post-ride was a good idea...but, your eating
habits
> before and during the ride are a classic case of, "Doh!"
>
> GG

Yeah, I think the lack of carbs and me pushing so hard made it a really bad
combination. Glad I didn't bonk mid ride, but after. Not a very good
feeling to say the least.

Doh....yeah, that about says it.
Curt

06-07-2004, 08:07 AM

"GaryG" <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote in message
news:10c7hjqcgtv6q32@corp.supernews.com...
> "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news

nNwc.8709$321.257@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The weather
was
> > great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a low carb diet pretty
> > strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, which was the night before the
> > ride. I ate sushi that night and a salad. The next morning I ate a
> banana
> > and piece of chicken sausage and a cookie when I got to the ride start.
I
> > set out and pretty much pushed from the start. I felt really pretty
good
> on
> > the ride. Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas and 1/2
of
> a
> > peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ate 1/2 of a
sandwich
> > and another cookie and some more water. I was only drinking water on
this
> > ride. I felt okay coming home but began to get a bit dizzy. I stood up
> and
> > felt really dizzy for a bit and had to put my head lower for few. I ate
> > some rice, pasta, fish and some blueberry yogurt and laid down for an
hour
> > or so and now feel much better.
> >
> > Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get dizzy?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Curt
> >
>
> It sounds like a typical low-carb bonk. This is one reason why many folks
> think that low-carb is inappropriate for the athletically inclined.
>
> On your ride, you probably burned around 2600 calories (assuming 35
calories
> per mile). But, you only consumed about 500 calories during the ride, and
> your breakfast was probably only around 400 calories. And, you had been
> "low-carbing" for days prior to the ride. Finally, you rode "hard"...when
> you do that, your body needs carbs...but, you've not been consuming
> sufficient carbs for days.
>
> I've heard it said that on rides lasting longer than an hour or two, you
> should try to consume around 250 calories per hour. This won't replace
all
> the calories you're burning (unless you're going very, very slow), but
will
> help prevent the bonk.
>
> Eating carbs and protein post-ride was a good idea...but, your eating
habits
> before and during the ride are a classic case of, "Doh!"
>
> GG

Yeah, I think the lack of carbs and me pushing so hard made it a really bad
combination. Glad I didn't bonk mid ride, but after. Not a very good
feeling to say the least.

Doh....yeah, that about says it.
Curt

06-07-2004, 08:07 AM

"GaryG" <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote in message
news:10c7hjqcgtv6q32@corp.supernews.com...
> "curt" <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news

nNwc.8709$321.257@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > I was on a 75 mile ride today and pushed it pretty hard. The weather
was
> > great and I know I was hydrated. I have been on a low carb diet pretty
> > strict from Tuesday until Saturday night, which was the night before the
> > ride. I ate sushi that night and a salad. The next morning I ate a
> banana
> > and piece of chicken sausage and a cookie when I got to the ride start.
I
> > set out and pretty much pushed from the start. I felt really pretty
good
> on
> > the ride. Stopped a few times and ate a total of 1 1/2 bananas and 1/2
of
> a
> > peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After the ride I ate 1/2 of a
sandwich
> > and another cookie and some more water. I was only drinking water on
this
> > ride. I felt okay coming home but began to get a bit dizzy. I stood up
> and
> > felt really dizzy for a bit and had to put my head lower for few. I ate
> > some rice, pasta, fish and some blueberry yogurt and laid down for an
hour
> > or so and now feel much better.
> >
> > Did I not eat enough? Should I add carb earlier? Why did I get dizzy?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Curt
> >
>
> It sounds like a typical low-carb bonk. This is one reason why many folks
> think that low-carb is inappropriate for the athletically inclined.
>
> On your ride, you probably burned around 2600 calories (assuming 35
calories
> per mile). But, you only consumed about 500 calories during the ride, and
> your breakfast was probably only around 400 calories. And, you had been
> "low-carbing" for days prior to the ride. Finally, you rode "hard"...when
> you do that, your body needs carbs...but, you've not been consuming
> sufficient carbs for days.
>
> I've heard it said that on rides lasting longer than an hour or two, you
> should try to consume around 250 calories per hour. This won't replace
all
> the calories you're burning (unless you're going very, very slow), but
will
> help prevent the bonk.
>
> Eating carbs and protein post-ride was a good idea...but, your eating
habits
> before and during the ride are a classic case of, "Doh!"
>
> GG

Yeah, I think the lack of carbs and me pushing so hard made it a really bad
combination. Glad I didn't bonk mid ride, but after. Not a very good
feeling to say the least.

Doh....yeah, that about says it.
Curt

06-07-2004, 08:10 AM

Interesting Terry. I can ride 40 or so miles really hard on next to nothing
in my stomach. For some reason this 75 was too much for me on what I ate.

Thanks,
Curt

"Terry Morse" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
> Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> > Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on Saturday on
a
> > a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two hamburgers and some lettuce
the
> > day before.
> >
> > No bonk. Rode hard.
>
> If what you wrote is true, you didn't ride hard. Riding hard will
> deplete your glycogen stores in less than two hours. If I were to
> guess, I'd say that you rode at a moderate pace.
>
> Typical nutrition requirements for different effort zones:
>
> Zone 1: no need to eat
> Zone 2: no need to eat, except on ultra rides
> Zone 3: no longer that 4 hours without food
> Zone 4: eat every hour
> Zone 5: doesn't matter, too short a time
> --
> terry morse Palo Alto, CA [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-07-2004, 08:10 AM

Interesting Terry. I can ride 40 or so miles really hard on next to nothing
in my stomach. For some reason this 75 was too much for me on what I ate.

Thanks,
Curt

"Terry Morse" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
> Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> > Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on Saturday on
a
> > a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two hamburgers and some lettuce
the
> > day before.
> >
> > No bonk. Rode hard.
>
> If what you wrote is true, you didn't ride hard. Riding hard will
> deplete your glycogen stores in less than two hours. If I were to
> guess, I'd say that you rode at a moderate pace.
>
> Typical nutrition requirements for different effort zones:
>
> Zone 1: no need to eat
> Zone 2: no need to eat, except on ultra rides
> Zone 3: no longer that 4 hours without food
> Zone 4: eat every hour
> Zone 5: doesn't matter, too short a time
> --
> terry morse Palo Alto, CA [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-07-2004, 08:10 AM

Interesting Terry. I can ride 40 or so miles really hard on next to nothing
in my stomach. For some reason this 75 was too much for me on what I ate.

Thanks,
Curt

"Terry Morse" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
> Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> > Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on Saturday on
a
> > a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two hamburgers and some lettuce
the
> > day before.
> >
> > No bonk. Rode hard.
>
> If what you wrote is true, you didn't ride hard. Riding hard will
> deplete your glycogen stores in less than two hours. If I were to
> guess, I'd say that you rode at a moderate pace.
>
> Typical nutrition requirements for different effort zones:
>
> Zone 1: no need to eat
> Zone 2: no need to eat, except on ultra rides
> Zone 3: no longer that 4 hours without food
> Zone 4: eat every hour
> Zone 5: doesn't matter, too short a time
> --
> terry morse Palo Alto, CA [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-07-2004, 08:10 AM

Interesting Terry. I can ride 40 or so miles really hard on next to nothing
in my stomach. For some reason this 75 was too much for me on what I ate.

Thanks,
Curt

"Terry Morse" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]...
> In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
> Badger_South <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>
> > Pseudo-scientific. More data was needed. I rode 2.4 hours on Saturday on
a
> > a breakfast of one piece of bacon. Had two hamburgers and some lettuce
the
> > day before.
> >
> > No bonk. Rode hard.
>
> If what you wrote is true, you didn't ride hard. Riding hard will
> deplete your glycogen stores in less than two hours. If I were to
> guess, I'd say that you rode at a moderate pace.
>
> Typical nutrition requirements for different effort zones:
>
> Zone 1: no need to eat
> Zone 2: no need to eat, except on ultra rides
> Zone 3: no longer that 4 hours without food
> Zone 4: eat every hour
> Zone 5: doesn't matter, too short a time
> --
> terry morse Palo Alto, CA [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]