My wheels are making me nuts! ;) - Page 11 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

06-10-2004, 08:13 PM

Roger Zoul wrote:

>Rick Onanian wrote:
>:: On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:58:37 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
>:: <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>::: Rick Onanian wrote:
>::::: They couldn't loan you a wheel to ride while they rebuild it? I
>::::: mean, for all your trouble and everything...
>:::
>::: I'm going to get my bike with a loaner rear wheel in a few minutes.
>::: Thanks much for the idea.
>::
>:: Sheesh, I said something, and it actually _helped_ somebody? Wow.
>:: Hell must have frozen over... <BFG>
>::
>:: Er...you're quite welcome. Happy to help. Etc.
>
>I was suprised that they put a brand new wheel on it, with a new tire, too.
>
>
As long as it's not Tom Slick selling you a new (and better) wheel and
tire...
Tom Slick was a Yankee Trader who sold clocks in the 1800's in New
England by having people look after his clock til he got back in the
Spring. By then they couldn't part with the lovely thing.
Bernie

06-10-2004, 08:26 PM

"Daniel Crispin" <calendyr@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:rI5yc.72673$WQ5.368389@wagner.videotron.net.. .
> Ok Bernie, full story then

>
> I weight 280, the bike is an aluminium frame hybrid with front suspension
> and seat suspension.

Well, Daniel, you beat me. I'm about 40 pounds lighter, but still
overweight.

> The guy told me the spokes were not stainless steel. I don't know what
> comes bellow stainless steel,
> steel maybe? He said they tendend to dull out, become white and break
> rather quickly comparer to higher
> quality spokes.

I'm not an expert (see below when I mention Jobst), but stainless ain't what
you need. It is strength.
>
> I had the wheel checked at a repair store, they don't sell bikes. Guy
> seemed competent when I talked to him.
> He said around 40$ to rebuild the wheel, which is what everyone seems to
> agree on being a good price. He
> simply said that it was not a great solution because of the low quality of
> the spokes.

So there seems to be a consensus that you have low-quality spokes. Can you
get a >truly< independent opinion (perhaps a bike shop on the other side of
town?)

> Right now I am hesitating on 3 choices:

From where I am sitting, this sounds as if your spokes don't have enough
tension. My guess (and I am >not< an expert here) is that the spokes are
loose enough that they lose tension at some point in the wheel rotation
because of your weight and the [presumed] under-tensioning of the spokes.
This is a sure way to make the spokes fail early and often. One way to
check this is to see if greater-tensioned spokes (freewheel side of the rear
wheel) fail less often than the others.

The true expert, in my opinion, is Jobst Brant. Author of "The Bicycle
Wheel" and believed by many (myself included) to be a guru and a saint.
Google for him. Jobst posts often in ba.bicycles, so you may wish to try
that notesgroup.

As for myself, I ride a very old bike (Mike J. of Chain Reaction has already
been mentioned in this thread -- he and I rode together in high school
before he went into bicycling big-time and I became a sedentary
couch-potato). 36-spoke wheels that I built myself on Phil Wood hubs. They
haven't been trued in at least 10 years and are arrow-straight. I'm 230/240
(depends on the season) so put a bit of stress on these (now archaic and
overbuilt by today's standards) wheels.

> One way or an other the racket has got to stop, it's driving me insane...
> sounds like I am dragging a bunch of beer cans behind me.

You'll get there. Hang with it.

- Skip

06-10-2004, 08:26 PM

"Daniel Crispin" <calendyr@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:rI5yc.72673$WQ5.368389@wagner.videotron.net.. .
> Ok Bernie, full story then

>
> I weight 280, the bike is an aluminium frame hybrid with front suspension
> and seat suspension.

Well, Daniel, you beat me. I'm about 40 pounds lighter, but still
overweight.

> The guy told me the spokes were not stainless steel. I don't know what
> comes bellow stainless steel,
> steel maybe? He said they tendend to dull out, become white and break
> rather quickly comparer to higher
> quality spokes.

I'm not an expert (see below when I mention Jobst), but stainless ain't what
you need. It is strength.
>
> I had the wheel checked at a repair store, they don't sell bikes. Guy
> seemed competent when I talked to him.
> He said around 40$ to rebuild the wheel, which is what everyone seems to
> agree on being a good price. He
> simply said that it was not a great solution because of the low quality of
> the spokes.

So there seems to be a consensus that you have low-quality spokes. Can you
get a >truly< independent opinion (perhaps a bike shop on the other side of
town?)

> Right now I am hesitating on 3 choices:

From where I am sitting, this sounds as if your spokes don't have enough
tension. My guess (and I am >not< an expert here) is that the spokes are
loose enough that they lose tension at some point in the wheel rotation
because of your weight and the [presumed] under-tensioning of the spokes.
This is a sure way to make the spokes fail early and often. One way to
check this is to see if greater-tensioned spokes (freewheel side of the rear
wheel) fail less often than the others.

The true expert, in my opinion, is Jobst Brant. Author of "The Bicycle
Wheel" and believed by many (myself included) to be a guru and a saint.
Google for him. Jobst posts often in ba.bicycles, so you may wish to try
that notesgroup.

As for myself, I ride a very old bike (Mike J. of Chain Reaction has already
been mentioned in this thread -- he and I rode together in high school
before he went into bicycling big-time and I became a sedentary
couch-potato). 36-spoke wheels that I built myself on Phil Wood hubs. They
haven't been trued in at least 10 years and are arrow-straight. I'm 230/240
(depends on the season) so put a bit of stress on these (now archaic and
overbuilt by today's standards) wheels.

> One way or an other the racket has got to stop, it's driving me insane...
> sounds like I am dragging a bunch of beer cans behind me.

You'll get there. Hang with it.

- Skip

06-10-2004, 08:26 PM

"Daniel Crispin" <calendyr@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:rI5yc.72673$WQ5.368389@wagner.videotron.net.. .
> Ok Bernie, full story then

>
> I weight 280, the bike is an aluminium frame hybrid with front suspension
> and seat suspension.

Well, Daniel, you beat me. I'm about 40 pounds lighter, but still
overweight.

> The guy told me the spokes were not stainless steel. I don't know what
> comes bellow stainless steel,
> steel maybe? He said they tendend to dull out, become white and break
> rather quickly comparer to higher
> quality spokes.

I'm not an expert (see below when I mention Jobst), but stainless ain't what
you need. It is strength.
>
> I had the wheel checked at a repair store, they don't sell bikes. Guy
> seemed competent when I talked to him.
> He said around 40$ to rebuild the wheel, which is what everyone seems to
> agree on being a good price. He
> simply said that it was not a great solution because of the low quality of
> the spokes.

So there seems to be a consensus that you have low-quality spokes. Can you
get a >truly< independent opinion (perhaps a bike shop on the other side of
town?)

> Right now I am hesitating on 3 choices:

From where I am sitting, this sounds as if your spokes don't have enough
tension. My guess (and I am >not< an expert here) is that the spokes are
loose enough that they lose tension at some point in the wheel rotation
because of your weight and the [presumed] under-tensioning of the spokes.
This is a sure way to make the spokes fail early and often. One way to
check this is to see if greater-tensioned spokes (freewheel side of the rear
wheel) fail less often than the others.

The true expert, in my opinion, is Jobst Brant. Author of "The Bicycle
Wheel" and believed by many (myself included) to be a guru and a saint.
Google for him. Jobst posts often in ba.bicycles, so you may wish to try
that notesgroup.

As for myself, I ride a very old bike (Mike J. of Chain Reaction has already
been mentioned in this thread -- he and I rode together in high school
before he went into bicycling big-time and I became a sedentary
couch-potato). 36-spoke wheels that I built myself on Phil Wood hubs. They
haven't been trued in at least 10 years and are arrow-straight. I'm 230/240
(depends on the season) so put a bit of stress on these (now archaic and
overbuilt by today's standards) wheels.

> One way or an other the racket has got to stop, it's driving me insane...
> sounds like I am dragging a bunch of beer cans behind me.

You'll get there. Hang with it.

- Skip

06-10-2004, 08:26 PM

"Daniel Crispin" <calendyr@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:rI5yc.72673$WQ5.368389@wagner.videotron.net.. .
> Ok Bernie, full story then

>
> I weight 280, the bike is an aluminium frame hybrid with front suspension
> and seat suspension.

Well, Daniel, you beat me. I'm about 40 pounds lighter, but still
overweight.

> The guy told me the spokes were not stainless steel. I don't know what
> comes bellow stainless steel,
> steel maybe? He said they tendend to dull out, become white and break
> rather quickly comparer to higher
> quality spokes.

I'm not an expert (see below when I mention Jobst), but stainless ain't what
you need. It is strength.
>
> I had the wheel checked at a repair store, they don't sell bikes. Guy
> seemed competent when I talked to him.
> He said around 40$ to rebuild the wheel, which is what everyone seems to
> agree on being a good price. He
> simply said that it was not a great solution because of the low quality of
> the spokes.

So there seems to be a consensus that you have low-quality spokes. Can you
get a >truly< independent opinion (perhaps a bike shop on the other side of
town?)

> Right now I am hesitating on 3 choices:

From where I am sitting, this sounds as if your spokes don't have enough
tension. My guess (and I am >not< an expert here) is that the spokes are
loose enough that they lose tension at some point in the wheel rotation
because of your weight and the [presumed] under-tensioning of the spokes.
This is a sure way to make the spokes fail early and often. One way to
check this is to see if greater-tensioned spokes (freewheel side of the rear
wheel) fail less often than the others.

The true expert, in my opinion, is Jobst Brant. Author of "The Bicycle
Wheel" and believed by many (myself included) to be a guru and a saint.
Google for him. Jobst posts often in ba.bicycles, so you may wish to try
that notesgroup.

As for myself, I ride a very old bike (Mike J. of Chain Reaction has already
been mentioned in this thread -- he and I rode together in high school
before he went into bicycling big-time and I became a sedentary
couch-potato). 36-spoke wheels that I built myself on Phil Wood hubs. They
haven't been trued in at least 10 years and are arrow-straight. I'm 230/240
(depends on the season) so put a bit of stress on these (now archaic and
overbuilt by today's standards) wheels.

> One way or an other the racket has got to stop, it's driving me insane...
> sounds like I am dragging a bunch of beer cans behind me.

You'll get there. Hang with it.

- Skip

06-10-2004, 08:26 PM

"Daniel Crispin" <calendyr@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:rI5yc.72673$WQ5.368389@wagner.videotron.net.. .
> Ok Bernie, full story then

>
> I weight 280, the bike is an aluminium frame hybrid with front suspension
> and seat suspension.

Well, Daniel, you beat me. I'm about 40 pounds lighter, but still
overweight.

> The guy told me the spokes were not stainless steel. I don't know what
> comes bellow stainless steel,
> steel maybe? He said they tendend to dull out, become white and break
> rather quickly comparer to higher
> quality spokes.

I'm not an expert (see below when I mention Jobst), but stainless ain't what
you need. It is strength.
>
> I had the wheel checked at a repair store, they don't sell bikes. Guy
> seemed competent when I talked to him.
> He said around 40$ to rebuild the wheel, which is what everyone seems to
> agree on being a good price. He
> simply said that it was not a great solution because of the low quality of
> the spokes.

So there seems to be a consensus that you have low-quality spokes. Can you
get a >truly< independent opinion (perhaps a bike shop on the other side of
town?)

> Right now I am hesitating on 3 choices:

From where I am sitting, this sounds as if your spokes don't have enough
tension. My guess (and I am >not< an expert here) is that the spokes are
loose enough that they lose tension at some point in the wheel rotation
because of your weight and the [presumed] under-tensioning of the spokes.
This is a sure way to make the spokes fail early and often. One way to
check this is to see if greater-tensioned spokes (freewheel side of the rear
wheel) fail less often than the others.

The true expert, in my opinion, is Jobst Brant. Author of "The Bicycle
Wheel" and believed by many (myself included) to be a guru and a saint.
Google for him. Jobst posts often in ba.bicycles, so you may wish to try
that notesgroup.

As for myself, I ride a very old bike (Mike J. of Chain Reaction has already
been mentioned in this thread -- he and I rode together in high school
before he went into bicycling big-time and I became a sedentary
couch-potato). 36-spoke wheels that I built myself on Phil Wood hubs. They
haven't been trued in at least 10 years and are arrow-straight. I'm 230/240
(depends on the season) so put a bit of stress on these (now archaic and
overbuilt by today's standards) wheels.

> One way or an other the racket has got to stop, it's driving me insane...
> sounds like I am dragging a bunch of beer cans behind me.

You'll get there. Hang with it.

- Skip

06-11-2004, 04:54 AM

In article <rI5yc.72673$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...
> Ok Bernie, full story then

>
> I weight 280, the bike is an aluminium frame hybrid with front suspension
> and seat suspension.
>
> The wheel itself have dual wall (is that the right term?) rim made by
> Shining Extro (never heard of them)
> and the middle part (moyeux in French) is from an other company I never
> heard of: Joytech.
> The guy told me the spokes were not stainless steel. I don't know what
> comes bellow stainless steel,
> steel maybe? He said they tendend to dull out, become white and break
> rather quickly comparer to higher
> quality spokes.
>
> I had the wheel checked at a repair store, they don't sell bikes. Guy
> seemed competent when I talked to him.
> He said around 40$ to rebuild the wheel, which is what everyone seems to
> agree on being a good price. He
> simply said that it was not a great solution because of the low quality of
> the spokes.
>
> I ride on roads only. I don't jump sidewalks or do anything drastic. I
> will of course hit a bump or pothole once in
> a while but I try to go around them when possible. I 'have added a rack to
> the rear and got 2 bags to go on it.
> I use it to do my grocery among other things and that can sometimes add 50
> or more pounds directly on the wheel.
>
> Right now I am hesitating on 3 choices:
>
> 1. Have the wheel re-tentioned for 40$

I'd recommend this option; it should get you through at least a few
years of use.

> 2. Have the wheel re-tentioned and change the spokes for 40$ plus about 36$
> for the spokes (total 76$)
> 3. Buy the wheel he suggests with the dual walled rim, Deore center piece
> and high quality anodized spokes for 95$
>
> One way or an other the racket has got to stop, it's driving me insane...
> sounds like I am dragging a bunch of beer cans behind me.

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06-11-2004, 04:54 AM

In article <rI5yc.72673$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...
> Ok Bernie, full story then

>
> I weight 280, the bike is an aluminium frame hybrid with front suspension
> and seat suspension.
>
> The wheel itself have dual wall (is that the right term?) rim made by
> Shining Extro (never heard of them)
> and the middle part (moyeux in French) is from an other company I never
> heard of: Joytech.
> The guy told me the spokes were not stainless steel. I don't know what
> comes bellow stainless steel,
> steel maybe? He said they tendend to dull out, become white and break
> rather quickly comparer to higher
> quality spokes.
>
> I had the wheel checked at a repair store, they don't sell bikes. Guy
> seemed competent when I talked to him.
> He said around 40$ to rebuild the wheel, which is what everyone seems to
> agree on being a good price. He
> simply said that it was not a great solution because of the low quality of
> the spokes.
>
> I ride on roads only. I don't jump sidewalks or do anything drastic. I
> will of course hit a bump or pothole once in
> a while but I try to go around them when possible. I 'have added a rack to
> the rear and got 2 bags to go on it.
> I use it to do my grocery among other things and that can sometimes add 50
> or more pounds directly on the wheel.
>
> Right now I am hesitating on 3 choices:
>
> 1. Have the wheel re-tentioned for 40$

I'd recommend this option; it should get you through at least a few
years of use.

> 2. Have the wheel re-tentioned and change the spokes for 40$ plus about 36$
> for the spokes (total 76$)
> 3. Buy the wheel he suggests with the dual walled rim, Deore center piece
> and high quality anodized spokes for 95$
>
> One way or an other the racket has got to stop, it's driving me insane...
> sounds like I am dragging a bunch of beer cans behind me.

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06-11-2004, 04:54 AM

In article <rI5yc.72673$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...
> Ok Bernie, full story then

>
> I weight 280, the bike is an aluminium frame hybrid with front suspension
> and seat suspension.
>
> The wheel itself have dual wall (is that the right term?) rim made by
> Shining Extro (never heard of them)
> and the middle part (moyeux in French) is from an other company I never
> heard of: Joytech.
> The guy told me the spokes were not stainless steel. I don't know what
> comes bellow stainless steel,
> steel maybe? He said they tendend to dull out, become white and break
> rather quickly comparer to higher
> quality spokes.
>
> I had the wheel checked at a repair store, they don't sell bikes. Guy
> seemed competent when I talked to him.
> He said around 40$ to rebuild the wheel, which is what everyone seems to
> agree on being a good price. He
> simply said that it was not a great solution because of the low quality of
> the spokes.
>
> I ride on roads only. I don't jump sidewalks or do anything drastic. I
> will of course hit a bump or pothole once in
> a while but I try to go around them when possible. I 'have added a rack to
> the rear and got 2 bags to go on it.
> I use it to do my grocery among other things and that can sometimes add 50
> or more pounds directly on the wheel.
>
> Right now I am hesitating on 3 choices:
>
> 1. Have the wheel re-tentioned for 40$

I'd recommend this option; it should get you through at least a few
years of use.

> 2. Have the wheel re-tentioned and change the spokes for 40$ plus about 36$
> for the spokes (total 76$)
> 3. Buy the wheel he suggests with the dual walled rim, Deore center piece
> and high quality anodized spokes for 95$
>
> One way or an other the racket has got to stop, it's driving me insane...
> sounds like I am dragging a bunch of beer cans behind me.

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06-11-2004, 04:54 AM

In article <rI5yc.72673$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] says...
> Ok Bernie, full story then

>
> I weight 280, the bike is an aluminium frame hybrid with front suspension
> and seat suspension.
>
> The wheel itself have dual wall (is that the right term?) rim made by
> Shining Extro (never heard of them)
> and the middle part (moyeux in French) is from an other company I never
> heard of: Joytech.
> The guy told me the spokes were not stainless steel. I don't know what
> comes bellow stainless steel,
> steel maybe? He said they tendend to dull out, become white and break
> rather quickly comparer to higher
> quality spokes.
>
> I had the wheel checked at a repair store, they don't sell bikes. Guy
> seemed competent when I talked to him.
> He said around 40$ to rebuild the wheel, which is what everyone seems to
> agree on being a good price. He
> simply said that it was not a great solution because of the low quality of
> the spokes.
>
> I ride on roads only. I don't jump sidewalks or do anything drastic. I
> will of course hit a bump or pothole once in
> a while but I try to go around them when possible. I 'have added a rack to
> the rear and got 2 bags to go on it.
> I use it to do my grocery among other things and that can sometimes add 50
> or more pounds directly on the wheel.
>
> Right now I am hesitating on 3 choices:
>
> 1. Have the wheel re-tentioned for 40$

I'd recommend this option; it should get you through at least a few
years of use.

> 2. Have the wheel re-tentioned and change the spokes for 40$ plus about 36$
> for the spokes (total 76$)
> 3. Buy the wheel he suggests with the dual walled rim, Deore center piece
> and high quality anodized spokes for 95$
>
> One way or an other the racket has got to stop, it's driving me insane...
> sounds like I am dragging a bunch of beer cans behind me.

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