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06-09-2004, 06:00 PM

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:06:17 -0400, "Roger Zoul" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>
wrote:

>Rick Onanian wrote:
>:: On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:11:38 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
>:: <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>::: So now the bike
>::: shop is rebuilding my rear wheel (which they should have done after
>::: the first one since this is a new bike bought last fall). They've
>::: had my bike since Monday <snip>
>::
>:: They need the whole bike just to rebuild the wheel?
>::
>:: They couldn't loan you a wheel to ride while they rebuild it? I
>:: mean, for all your trouble and everything...
>
>Hmm.....didn't think to ask that til now....thanks...

Doesn't that just drive ya nuts, though? You'd think they'd suggest that,
at least to a good customer.

Wish I had a LBS like Mike J's around here. Read his site from
cover-to-cover if you get a chance - lots of good tips on stuff like this.

(Heck if I hadn't read this ng, I'd have paid about $85 more for my Trek
last month.)

Good luck and wishes for a fast repair and return of your steed, man.

-B

06-09-2004, 06:33 PM

> > He offered to sell me a Deore wheel with Anodized
> > spokes and dual walled frame. Pretty similar to what I have except for
the
> > spokes. 100 CAN$.
>
> You might want to buy stronger wheels, but I wouldn't buy them from the
> same guys that sold you the bike

What do you mean by stronger wheels? Deore is high-midrange and dual walled
(or what ever it is called in english) is the best frame you can get. I
have talking
tech because all my tech books are in french and I can't explain easilly...

> You can spend about $200 usd to get a decent set of handbuilt wheels or
> you can shop around--I recently saw a nice pair of Ritchey 36 spoke offset
> rims with DT spokes and Deore hubs at the local REI on sale for less than
> $100usd. Having two complete sets of wheels with different types of
> tires is very luxurious if you can afford it.

When you say hand build, do you mean putting the wheel together or forging
the rim?
I really doubt a rim can be forged by hand better than a machine can do it.
If you are
talking about putting the wheel together, then yes I agree it might be
better done by hand.
But I don't want to spend 200$ on a wheel when I have one that is only a
month old and
is supposed to be of good quality. If the spokes are the problem it might
be worth it to
replace them. 36$ plus labour will cost me maybe 60 CAN$. Not bad compared
to 200
US$.
>
> Another poster mentioned 32 spoke wheels--I'm going to recommend
> 36 spoke wheels if you have a choice. Unless you're racing, you won't feel
> the difference and not having to true them very often is nice.

Well that is what I have... I counted 35 but I must have missed one

06-09-2004, 06:33 PM

> > He offered to sell me a Deore wheel with Anodized
> > spokes and dual walled frame. Pretty similar to what I have except for
the
> > spokes. 100 CAN$.
>
> You might want to buy stronger wheels, but I wouldn't buy them from the
> same guys that sold you the bike

What do you mean by stronger wheels? Deore is high-midrange and dual walled
(or what ever it is called in english) is the best frame you can get. I
have talking
tech because all my tech books are in french and I can't explain easilly...

> You can spend about $200 usd to get a decent set of handbuilt wheels or
> you can shop around--I recently saw a nice pair of Ritchey 36 spoke offset
> rims with DT spokes and Deore hubs at the local REI on sale for less than
> $100usd. Having two complete sets of wheels with different types of
> tires is very luxurious if you can afford it.

When you say hand build, do you mean putting the wheel together or forging
the rim?
I really doubt a rim can be forged by hand better than a machine can do it.
If you are
talking about putting the wheel together, then yes I agree it might be
better done by hand.
But I don't want to spend 200$ on a wheel when I have one that is only a
month old and
is supposed to be of good quality. If the spokes are the problem it might
be worth it to
replace them. 36$ plus labour will cost me maybe 60 CAN$. Not bad compared
to 200
US$.
>
> Another poster mentioned 32 spoke wheels--I'm going to recommend
> 36 spoke wheels if you have a choice. Unless you're racing, you won't feel
> the difference and not having to true them very often is nice.

Well that is what I have... I counted 35 but I must have missed one

06-09-2004, 06:33 PM

> > He offered to sell me a Deore wheel with Anodized
> > spokes and dual walled frame. Pretty similar to what I have except for
the
> > spokes. 100 CAN$.
>
> You might want to buy stronger wheels, but I wouldn't buy them from the
> same guys that sold you the bike

What do you mean by stronger wheels? Deore is high-midrange and dual walled
(or what ever it is called in english) is the best frame you can get. I
have talking
tech because all my tech books are in french and I can't explain easilly...

> You can spend about $200 usd to get a decent set of handbuilt wheels or
> you can shop around--I recently saw a nice pair of Ritchey 36 spoke offset
> rims with DT spokes and Deore hubs at the local REI on sale for less than
> $100usd. Having two complete sets of wheels with different types of
> tires is very luxurious if you can afford it.

When you say hand build, do you mean putting the wheel together or forging
the rim?
I really doubt a rim can be forged by hand better than a machine can do it.
If you are
talking about putting the wheel together, then yes I agree it might be
better done by hand.
But I don't want to spend 200$ on a wheel when I have one that is only a
month old and
is supposed to be of good quality. If the spokes are the problem it might
be worth it to
replace them. 36$ plus labour will cost me maybe 60 CAN$. Not bad compared
to 200
US$.
>
> Another poster mentioned 32 spoke wheels--I'm going to recommend
> 36 spoke wheels if you have a choice. Unless you're racing, you won't feel
> the difference and not having to true them very often is nice.

Well that is what I have... I counted 35 but I must have missed one

06-09-2004, 06:33 PM

> > He offered to sell me a Deore wheel with Anodized
> > spokes and dual walled frame. Pretty similar to what I have except for
the
> > spokes. 100 CAN$.
>
> You might want to buy stronger wheels, but I wouldn't buy them from the
> same guys that sold you the bike

What do you mean by stronger wheels? Deore is high-midrange and dual walled
(or what ever it is called in english) is the best frame you can get. I
have talking
tech because all my tech books are in french and I can't explain easilly...

> You can spend about $200 usd to get a decent set of handbuilt wheels or
> you can shop around--I recently saw a nice pair of Ritchey 36 spoke offset
> rims with DT spokes and Deore hubs at the local REI on sale for less than
> $100usd. Having two complete sets of wheels with different types of
> tires is very luxurious if you can afford it.

When you say hand build, do you mean putting the wheel together or forging
the rim?
I really doubt a rim can be forged by hand better than a machine can do it.
If you are
talking about putting the wheel together, then yes I agree it might be
better done by hand.
But I don't want to spend 200$ on a wheel when I have one that is only a
month old and
is supposed to be of good quality. If the spokes are the problem it might
be worth it to
replace them. 36$ plus labour will cost me maybe 60 CAN$. Not bad compared
to 200
US$.
>
> Another poster mentioned 32 spoke wheels--I'm going to recommend
> 36 spoke wheels if you have a choice. Unless you're racing, you won't feel
> the difference and not having to true them very often is nice.

Well that is what I have... I counted 35 but I must have missed one

06-09-2004, 06:33 PM

> > He offered to sell me a Deore wheel with Anodized
> > spokes and dual walled frame. Pretty similar to what I have except for
the
> > spokes. 100 CAN$.
>
> You might want to buy stronger wheels, but I wouldn't buy them from the
> same guys that sold you the bike

What do you mean by stronger wheels? Deore is high-midrange and dual walled
(or what ever it is called in english) is the best frame you can get. I
have talking
tech because all my tech books are in french and I can't explain easilly...

> You can spend about $200 usd to get a decent set of handbuilt wheels or
> you can shop around--I recently saw a nice pair of Ritchey 36 spoke offset
> rims with DT spokes and Deore hubs at the local REI on sale for less than
> $100usd. Having two complete sets of wheels with different types of
> tires is very luxurious if you can afford it.

When you say hand build, do you mean putting the wheel together or forging
the rim?
I really doubt a rim can be forged by hand better than a machine can do it.
If you are
talking about putting the wheel together, then yes I agree it might be
better done by hand.
But I don't want to spend 200$ on a wheel when I have one that is only a
month old and
is supposed to be of good quality. If the spokes are the problem it might
be worth it to
replace them. 36$ plus labour will cost me maybe 60 CAN$. Not bad compared
to 200
US$.
>
> Another poster mentioned 32 spoke wheels--I'm going to recommend
> 36 spoke wheels if you have a choice. Unless you're racing, you won't feel
> the difference and not having to true them very often is nice.

Well that is what I have... I counted 35 but I must have missed one

06-09-2004, 07:52 PM

Daniel Crispin wrote:

>>>He offered to sell me a Deore wheel with Anodized
>>>spokes and dual walled frame. Pretty similar to what I have except for
>>>
>the
>
>>>spokes. 100 CAN$.
>>>
>
>Well that is what I have... I counted 35 but I must have missed one

>
<lots of snips>
You have a brand new wheel with 36 spokes. You probably need a decent
bike mechanic to re-tension your wheel. It's just like a rebuild.
Should cost no more than $40 CAD.
Saying that, you didn't say how much you weigh, or if you are beating
the rim on curbs, etc.
I have gone thru some wheel truing and tensioning problems in the past
few years. If the rim is not ruined, a decent shop can make your wheel
good as new. IMO, the hard thing is finding the shop that will properly
do the job.
I tend to agree with previous poster who advised not to buy a new wheel
from the shop that just sold you a new bike, then told you the nearly
new wheel was no good. Do tell more about your experiences, and about
the wheel, etc.
For an example, my bike mechanic took my "found in a dumpster" old
mountain bike rear wheel, which was dirty but not abused, re-tensioned
all the spokes (replaced none) and made it strong and true. It works
great, and I expect it to last a long time. He charged me less than $40
too.

Best regards, Bernie

06-09-2004, 07:52 PM

Daniel Crispin wrote:

>>>He offered to sell me a Deore wheel with Anodized
>>>spokes and dual walled frame. Pretty similar to what I have except for
>>>
>the
>
>>>spokes. 100 CAN$.
>>>
>
>Well that is what I have... I counted 35 but I must have missed one

>
<lots of snips>
You have a brand new wheel with 36 spokes. You probably need a decent
bike mechanic to re-tension your wheel. It's just like a rebuild.
Should cost no more than $40 CAD.
Saying that, you didn't say how much you weigh, or if you are beating
the rim on curbs, etc.
I have gone thru some wheel truing and tensioning problems in the past
few years. If the rim is not ruined, a decent shop can make your wheel
good as new. IMO, the hard thing is finding the shop that will properly
do the job.
I tend to agree with previous poster who advised not to buy a new wheel
from the shop that just sold you a new bike, then told you the nearly
new wheel was no good. Do tell more about your experiences, and about
the wheel, etc.
For an example, my bike mechanic took my "found in a dumpster" old
mountain bike rear wheel, which was dirty but not abused, re-tensioned
all the spokes (replaced none) and made it strong and true. It works
great, and I expect it to last a long time. He charged me less than $40
too.

Best regards, Bernie

06-09-2004, 07:52 PM

Daniel Crispin wrote:

>>>He offered to sell me a Deore wheel with Anodized
>>>spokes and dual walled frame. Pretty similar to what I have except for
>>>
>the
>
>>>spokes. 100 CAN$.
>>>
>
>Well that is what I have... I counted 35 but I must have missed one

>
<lots of snips>
You have a brand new wheel with 36 spokes. You probably need a decent
bike mechanic to re-tension your wheel. It's just like a rebuild.
Should cost no more than $40 CAD.
Saying that, you didn't say how much you weigh, or if you are beating
the rim on curbs, etc.
I have gone thru some wheel truing and tensioning problems in the past
few years. If the rim is not ruined, a decent shop can make your wheel
good as new. IMO, the hard thing is finding the shop that will properly
do the job.
I tend to agree with previous poster who advised not to buy a new wheel
from the shop that just sold you a new bike, then told you the nearly
new wheel was no good. Do tell more about your experiences, and about
the wheel, etc.
For an example, my bike mechanic took my "found in a dumpster" old
mountain bike rear wheel, which was dirty but not abused, re-tensioned
all the spokes (replaced none) and made it strong and true. It works
great, and I expect it to last a long time. He charged me less than $40
too.

Best regards, Bernie

06-09-2004, 07:52 PM

Daniel Crispin wrote:

>>>He offered to sell me a Deore wheel with Anodized
>>>spokes and dual walled frame. Pretty similar to what I have except for
>>>
>the
>
>>>spokes. 100 CAN$.
>>>
>
>Well that is what I have... I counted 35 but I must have missed one

>
<lots of snips>
You have a brand new wheel with 36 spokes. You probably need a decent
bike mechanic to re-tension your wheel. It's just like a rebuild.
Should cost no more than $40 CAD.
Saying that, you didn't say how much you weigh, or if you are beating
the rim on curbs, etc.
I have gone thru some wheel truing and tensioning problems in the past
few years. If the rim is not ruined, a decent shop can make your wheel
good as new. IMO, the hard thing is finding the shop that will properly
do the job.
I tend to agree with previous poster who advised not to buy a new wheel
from the shop that just sold you a new bike, then told you the nearly
new wheel was no good. Do tell more about your experiences, and about
the wheel, etc.
For an example, my bike mechanic took my "found in a dumpster" old
mountain bike rear wheel, which was dirty but not abused, re-tensioned
all the spokes (replaced none) and made it strong and true. It works
great, and I expect it to last a long time. He charged me less than $40
too.

Best regards, Bernie