Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! - Page 21 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

06-12-2004, 10:10 PM

Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004, Florence Henderson Had A Mullet wrote:
>
>
>>>There's no law requiring
>>>registration of bicycles or carrying an operator's license -- or, for that
>>>matter, any form of identification at all --
>>
>>Nor should there be.
>
>
> I disagree. Bicycles are required to follow all the same rules of the
> road...except there are no teeth to this requirement, since there's no
> means by which to exact consequences if they flout traffic law. If
> bicycles are to be taken seriously as a means of transportation,
> enforceable consequences for traffic law violation is critical.
>

That's inaccurate. As long as the cop can identify someone, they can
write them a ticket and fines can be legally extracted. You've never
received a ticket? I've had one for riding on the sidewalk. I also was
ticketed when I was eleven years old for double-riding. Both
municipalities set court dates and extracted their fines with no problem.

Critical massers are sometimes arrested and charged with flouting basic
traffic laws - namely not riding single file and running red lights.
Sure, the real reason is because the police department was upset about
blocking "traffic", but the fines do stick and the arrests are real.

>
>>It's a lot harder to ride a horse than it is to ride a bike, yet back in
>>the days when everyone rode around on horseback, a license wasn't
>>required.
>
>
> Horses weren't mixed in with cars, either.
>
> -Stern

06-12-2004, 11:48 PM

couple of weeks ago, was talking another cyclist who got ticketed for
running a red-light - he said he was given a something that sounded like
a 'Munical Code Violation' for $100 and he also mentioned that it was
not a moving violation and that it will not appear in your driving
history. may be the LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) had decided to go easy
on him and didn't write a moving violation - not sure.

+ravi (in Bay Area, CA)

Chris Zacho The Wheelman wrote:
> Stern wrote <snipped>:
>
>>"There's no law requiring registration of
>>bicycles or carrying an operator's license
>>-- or, for that matter, any form of
>>identification at all -- while riding one.
>>Should be, but isn't. So what if the cop
>>stops someone who hasn't got ID? What,
>>exactly, can the cop do? And even if s/he
>>succeeds in writing a ticket, what's to
>>motivate the recipient to pay it? There'll
>>be no demerit points on his driver's
>>license (which s/he may not even have).
>>There'll be no increase in insurance
>>premiums"
>
>
> These depend entirely on what state you are living (or riding) in. In
> California, for example, Cops will ask to see the bike's regestration
> and call it in to be sure it it's really your bike (and not stolen).
> Failure to prove it is yours may result in your being brought in on
> suspicion of theft.
>
> Carying a valid ID is also required for all but minors in CA. Again, you
> can be brought in if you don't (or can't) prove you are who you say you
> are.
>
> And _all_ traffic violations go on your driver's record if you are
> operating ANY vehicle which is legal for street use, and you are a FOOL
> if you think that the insurance companies will pass up any reason to get
> more money out of you! LOL!!
>
> - -
>
> "May you have the wind at your back.
> And a really low gear for the hills!"
>
> Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
>
> Chris'Z Corner
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>

06-12-2004, 11:48 PM

couple of weeks ago, was talking another cyclist who got ticketed for
running a red-light - he said he was given a something that sounded like
a 'Munical Code Violation' for $100 and he also mentioned that it was
not a moving violation and that it will not appear in your driving
history. may be the LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) had decided to go easy
on him and didn't write a moving violation - not sure.

+ravi (in Bay Area, CA)

Chris Zacho The Wheelman wrote:
> Stern wrote <snipped>:
>
>>"There's no law requiring registration of
>>bicycles or carrying an operator's license
>>-- or, for that matter, any form of
>>identification at all -- while riding one.
>>Should be, but isn't. So what if the cop
>>stops someone who hasn't got ID? What,
>>exactly, can the cop do? And even if s/he
>>succeeds in writing a ticket, what's to
>>motivate the recipient to pay it? There'll
>>be no demerit points on his driver's
>>license (which s/he may not even have).
>>There'll be no increase in insurance
>>premiums"
>
>
> These depend entirely on what state you are living (or riding) in. In
> California, for example, Cops will ask to see the bike's regestration
> and call it in to be sure it it's really your bike (and not stolen).
> Failure to prove it is yours may result in your being brought in on
> suspicion of theft.
>
> Carying a valid ID is also required for all but minors in CA. Again, you
> can be brought in if you don't (or can't) prove you are who you say you
> are.
>
> And _all_ traffic violations go on your driver's record if you are
> operating ANY vehicle which is legal for street use, and you are a FOOL
> if you think that the insurance companies will pass up any reason to get
> more money out of you! LOL!!
>
> - -
>
> "May you have the wind at your back.
> And a really low gear for the hills!"
>
> Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
>
> Chris'Z Corner
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>

06-12-2004, 11:48 PM

couple of weeks ago, was talking another cyclist who got ticketed for
running a red-light - he said he was given a something that sounded like
a 'Munical Code Violation' for $100 and he also mentioned that it was
not a moving violation and that it will not appear in your driving
history. may be the LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) had decided to go easy
on him and didn't write a moving violation - not sure.

+ravi (in Bay Area, CA)

Chris Zacho The Wheelman wrote:
> Stern wrote <snipped>:
>
>>"There's no law requiring registration of
>>bicycles or carrying an operator's license
>>-- or, for that matter, any form of
>>identification at all -- while riding one.
>>Should be, but isn't. So what if the cop
>>stops someone who hasn't got ID? What,
>>exactly, can the cop do? And even if s/he
>>succeeds in writing a ticket, what's to
>>motivate the recipient to pay it? There'll
>>be no demerit points on his driver's
>>license (which s/he may not even have).
>>There'll be no increase in insurance
>>premiums"
>
>
> These depend entirely on what state you are living (or riding) in. In
> California, for example, Cops will ask to see the bike's regestration
> and call it in to be sure it it's really your bike (and not stolen).
> Failure to prove it is yours may result in your being brought in on
> suspicion of theft.
>
> Carying a valid ID is also required for all but minors in CA. Again, you
> can be brought in if you don't (or can't) prove you are who you say you
> are.
>
> And _all_ traffic violations go on your driver's record if you are
> operating ANY vehicle which is legal for street use, and you are a FOOL
> if you think that the insurance companies will pass up any reason to get
> more money out of you! LOL!!
>
> - -
>
> "May you have the wind at your back.
> And a really low gear for the hills!"
>
> Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
>
> Chris'Z Corner
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>

06-12-2004, 11:48 PM

couple of weeks ago, was talking another cyclist who got ticketed for
running a red-light - he said he was given a something that sounded like
a 'Munical Code Violation' for $100 and he also mentioned that it was
not a moving violation and that it will not appear in your driving
history. may be the LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) had decided to go easy
on him and didn't write a moving violation - not sure.

+ravi (in Bay Area, CA)

Chris Zacho The Wheelman wrote:
> Stern wrote <snipped>:
>
>>"There's no law requiring registration of
>>bicycles or carrying an operator's license
>>-- or, for that matter, any form of
>>identification at all -- while riding one.
>>Should be, but isn't. So what if the cop
>>stops someone who hasn't got ID? What,
>>exactly, can the cop do? And even if s/he
>>succeeds in writing a ticket, what's to
>>motivate the recipient to pay it? There'll
>>be no demerit points on his driver's
>>license (which s/he may not even have).
>>There'll be no increase in insurance
>>premiums"
>
>
> These depend entirely on what state you are living (or riding) in. In
> California, for example, Cops will ask to see the bike's regestration
> and call it in to be sure it it's really your bike (and not stolen).
> Failure to prove it is yours may result in your being brought in on
> suspicion of theft.
>
> Carying a valid ID is also required for all but minors in CA. Again, you
> can be brought in if you don't (or can't) prove you are who you say you
> are.
>
> And _all_ traffic violations go on your driver's record if you are
> operating ANY vehicle which is legal for street use, and you are a FOOL
> if you think that the insurance companies will pass up any reason to get
> more money out of you! LOL!!
>
> - -
>
> "May you have the wind at your back.
> And a really low gear for the hills!"
>
> Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
>
> Chris'Z Corner
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>

06-12-2004, 11:48 PM

couple of weeks ago, was talking another cyclist who got ticketed for
running a red-light - he said he was given a something that sounded like
a 'Munical Code Violation' for $100 and he also mentioned that it was
not a moving violation and that it will not appear in your driving
history. may be the LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) had decided to go easy
on him and didn't write a moving violation - not sure.

+ravi (in Bay Area, CA)

Chris Zacho The Wheelman wrote:
> Stern wrote <snipped>:
>
>>"There's no law requiring registration of
>>bicycles or carrying an operator's license
>>-- or, for that matter, any form of
>>identification at all -- while riding one.
>>Should be, but isn't. So what if the cop
>>stops someone who hasn't got ID? What,
>>exactly, can the cop do? And even if s/he
>>succeeds in writing a ticket, what's to
>>motivate the recipient to pay it? There'll
>>be no demerit points on his driver's
>>license (which s/he may not even have).
>>There'll be no increase in insurance
>>premiums"
>
>
> These depend entirely on what state you are living (or riding) in. In
> California, for example, Cops will ask to see the bike's regestration
> and call it in to be sure it it's really your bike (and not stolen).
> Failure to prove it is yours may result in your being brought in on
> suspicion of theft.
>
> Carying a valid ID is also required for all but minors in CA. Again, you
> can be brought in if you don't (or can't) prove you are who you say you
> are.
>
> And _all_ traffic violations go on your driver's record if you are
> operating ANY vehicle which is legal for street use, and you are a FOOL
> if you think that the insurance companies will pass up any reason to get
> more money out of you! LOL!!
>
> - -
>
> "May you have the wind at your back.
> And a really low gear for the hills!"
>
> Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
>
> Chris'Z Corner
> [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
>

06-12-2004, 11:49 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Scott in Aztlán wrote:
> In rec.autos.driving, Brent P said:
>
>>> Bicycles are required to follow all the same rules of the
>>> road...except there are no teeth to this requirement, since there's no
>>> means by which to exact consequences if they flout traffic law If
>>> bicycles are to be taken seriously as a means of transportation,
>>> enforceable consequences for traffic law violation is critical.
>>
>>So you are going to require people to license their shoes too?
>>Your arguements apply in the same manner.
>
> Shoes are not vehicles.

The arguement about legal consquences however is transferable.

06-12-2004, 11:49 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Scott in Aztlán wrote:
> In rec.autos.driving, Brent P said:
>
>>> Bicycles are required to follow all the same rules of the
>>> road...except there are no teeth to this requirement, since there's no
>>> means by which to exact consequences if they flout traffic law If
>>> bicycles are to be taken seriously as a means of transportation,
>>> enforceable consequences for traffic law violation is critical.
>>
>>So you are going to require people to license their shoes too?
>>Your arguements apply in the same manner.
>
> Shoes are not vehicles.

The arguement about legal consquences however is transferable.

06-12-2004, 11:49 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Scott in Aztlán wrote:
> In rec.autos.driving, Brent P said:
>
>>> Bicycles are required to follow all the same rules of the
>>> road...except there are no teeth to this requirement, since there's no
>>> means by which to exact consequences if they flout traffic law If
>>> bicycles are to be taken seriously as a means of transportation,
>>> enforceable consequences for traffic law violation is critical.
>>
>>So you are going to require people to license their shoes too?
>>Your arguements apply in the same manner.
>
> Shoes are not vehicles.

The arguement about legal consquences however is transferable.

06-12-2004, 11:49 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>, Scott in Aztlán wrote:
> In rec.autos.driving, Brent P said:
>
>>> Bicycles are required to follow all the same rules of the
>>> road...except there are no teeth to this requirement, since there's no
>>> means by which to exact consequences if they flout traffic law If
>>> bicycles are to be taken seriously as a means of transportation,
>>> enforceable consequences for traffic law violation is critical.
>>
>>So you are going to require people to license their shoes too?
>>Your arguements apply in the same manner.
>
> Shoes are not vehicles.

The arguement about legal consquences however is transferable.