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06-12-2004, 08:13 PM

>Okay, has anyone ever seen a cop let a driver off after they ran a red
>light? Hmmmm??
>
>Unless the driver was a politician or fellow cop, I doubt it.

Doubt it all you want, but it happens all the time.
James S. Prine
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06-12-2004, 08:14 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].earthlink.net>,
Daniel T. <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>Well, if they didn't we wouldn't be having this discussion. The fact is,
>bicyclists don't have to obey the same traffic laws as cars, otherwise
>they would be getting pulled over and fined.

Most rules of the road apply to bicyclists as if they were vehicle
drivers (in North America) (a very few laws only apply to motor vehicle
drivers, but that doesn't include many of the common ones, like those
involving obeying traffic lights and stop signs). That disobeying
traffic laws (either on a bicycle or in a car) results in a low chance
of getting caught and ticketed doesn't change that.

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06-12-2004, 08:14 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].earthlink.net>,
Daniel T. <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>Well, if they didn't we wouldn't be having this discussion. The fact is,
>bicyclists don't have to obey the same traffic laws as cars, otherwise
>they would be getting pulled over and fined.

Most rules of the road apply to bicyclists as if they were vehicle
drivers (in North America) (a very few laws only apply to motor vehicle
drivers, but that doesn't include many of the common ones, like those
involving obeying traffic lights and stop signs). That disobeying
traffic laws (either on a bicycle or in a car) results in a low chance
of getting caught and ticketed doesn't change that.

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Timothy J. Lee
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No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.

06-12-2004, 08:14 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].earthlink.net>,
Daniel T. <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>Well, if they didn't we wouldn't be having this discussion. The fact is,
>bicyclists don't have to obey the same traffic laws as cars, otherwise
>they would be getting pulled over and fined.

Most rules of the road apply to bicyclists as if they were vehicle
drivers (in North America) (a very few laws only apply to motor vehicle
drivers, but that doesn't include many of the common ones, like those
involving obeying traffic lights and stop signs). That disobeying
traffic laws (either on a bicycle or in a car) results in a low chance
of getting caught and ticketed doesn't change that.

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Timothy J. Lee
Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome.
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.

06-12-2004, 08:14 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].earthlink.net>,
Daniel T. <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>Well, if they didn't we wouldn't be having this discussion. The fact is,
>bicyclists don't have to obey the same traffic laws as cars, otherwise
>they would be getting pulled over and fined.

Most rules of the road apply to bicyclists as if they were vehicle
drivers (in North America) (a very few laws only apply to motor vehicle
drivers, but that doesn't include many of the common ones, like those
involving obeying traffic lights and stop signs). That disobeying
traffic laws (either on a bicycle or in a car) results in a low chance
of getting caught and ticketed doesn't change that.

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Timothy J. Lee
Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome.
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.

06-12-2004, 08:14 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].earthlink.net>,
Daniel T. <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote:
>Well, if they didn't we wouldn't be having this discussion. The fact is,
>bicyclists don't have to obey the same traffic laws as cars, otherwise
>they would be getting pulled over and fined.

Most rules of the road apply to bicyclists as if they were vehicle
drivers (in North America) (a very few laws only apply to motor vehicle
drivers, but that doesn't include many of the common ones, like those
involving obeying traffic lights and stop signs). That disobeying
traffic laws (either on a bicycle or in a car) results in a low chance
of getting caught and ticketed doesn't change that.

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Timothy J. Lee
Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome.
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.

06-12-2004, 08:28 PM

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:49:09 -0400, "Paul"
<UPS_SUCKS!@slower_traffic_get_to_the_right.com> wrote:

>
>"Daniel T." <postmaster@eathlink.net> wrote in message
>news

ostmaster-D81410.17142012062004@news1.west.earthlink.net...
>
>> I'm not going to claim that what Mr. Stern says never happens, but I
>> expect that when something like that happens but its a car rather than a
>> bike that is "ramming" through a busy intersection against the light, a
>> hell of a lot more damage occurs.
>
>What Stern is seeing (and what lots of other drivers see) is cyclists disregarding
>the laws that they are supposed to be obeying. The difference is that the car driver
>gets a ticket, fine and higher insurance when caught. The cyclist just gets away with
>it.

Not always, though. On my bicycle last year here in Toronto, I
received a ticket for failing to stop at a red (it wasn't an
especially blatant offence either, really - I turned right on the red
without stopping). It is legal to turn right on the red here,
provided that you stop first and then yield to pedestrians and cross
traffic.

Hopefully Mr. Stern (who appears to suffer from a very severe case of
C.I.S.) will sleep a great deal better knowing that I paid the ticket
(about $190 CDN). Not being a poor, victimized motorist, I didn't
think to come whining to usenet about it at the time, though.

06-12-2004, 08:28 PM

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:49:09 -0400, "Paul"
<UPS_SUCKS!@slower_traffic_get_to_the_right.com> wrote:

>
>"Daniel T." <postmaster@eathlink.net> wrote in message
>news

ostmaster-D81410.17142012062004@news1.west.earthlink.net...
>
>> I'm not going to claim that what Mr. Stern says never happens, but I
>> expect that when something like that happens but its a car rather than a
>> bike that is "ramming" through a busy intersection against the light, a
>> hell of a lot more damage occurs.
>
>What Stern is seeing (and what lots of other drivers see) is cyclists disregarding
>the laws that they are supposed to be obeying. The difference is that the car driver
>gets a ticket, fine and higher insurance when caught. The cyclist just gets away with
>it.

Not always, though. On my bicycle last year here in Toronto, I
received a ticket for failing to stop at a red (it wasn't an
especially blatant offence either, really - I turned right on the red
without stopping). It is legal to turn right on the red here,
provided that you stop first and then yield to pedestrians and cross
traffic.

Hopefully Mr. Stern (who appears to suffer from a very severe case of
C.I.S.) will sleep a great deal better knowing that I paid the ticket
(about $190 CDN). Not being a poor, victimized motorist, I didn't
think to come whining to usenet about it at the time, though.

06-12-2004, 08:28 PM

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:49:09 -0400, "Paul"
<UPS_SUCKS!@slower_traffic_get_to_the_right.com> wrote:

>
>"Daniel T." <postmaster@eathlink.net> wrote in message
>news

ostmaster-D81410.17142012062004@news1.west.earthlink.net...
>
>> I'm not going to claim that what Mr. Stern says never happens, but I
>> expect that when something like that happens but its a car rather than a
>> bike that is "ramming" through a busy intersection against the light, a
>> hell of a lot more damage occurs.
>
>What Stern is seeing (and what lots of other drivers see) is cyclists disregarding
>the laws that they are supposed to be obeying. The difference is that the car driver
>gets a ticket, fine and higher insurance when caught. The cyclist just gets away with
>it.

Not always, though. On my bicycle last year here in Toronto, I
received a ticket for failing to stop at a red (it wasn't an
especially blatant offence either, really - I turned right on the red
without stopping). It is legal to turn right on the red here,
provided that you stop first and then yield to pedestrians and cross
traffic.

Hopefully Mr. Stern (who appears to suffer from a very severe case of
C.I.S.) will sleep a great deal better knowing that I paid the ticket
(about $190 CDN). Not being a poor, victimized motorist, I didn't
think to come whining to usenet about it at the time, though.

06-12-2004, 08:28 PM

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:49:09 -0400, "Paul"
<UPS_SUCKS!@slower_traffic_get_to_the_right.com> wrote:

>
>"Daniel T." <postmaster@eathlink.net> wrote in message
>news

ostmaster-D81410.17142012062004@news1.west.earthlink.net...
>
>> I'm not going to claim that what Mr. Stern says never happens, but I
>> expect that when something like that happens but its a car rather than a
>> bike that is "ramming" through a busy intersection against the light, a
>> hell of a lot more damage occurs.
>
>What Stern is seeing (and what lots of other drivers see) is cyclists disregarding
>the laws that they are supposed to be obeying. The difference is that the car driver
>gets a ticket, fine and higher insurance when caught. The cyclist just gets away with
>it.

Not always, though. On my bicycle last year here in Toronto, I
received a ticket for failing to stop at a red (it wasn't an
especially blatant offence either, really - I turned right on the red
without stopping). It is legal to turn right on the red here,
provided that you stop first and then yield to pedestrians and cross
traffic.

Hopefully Mr. Stern (who appears to suffer from a very severe case of
C.I.S.) will sleep a great deal better knowing that I paid the ticket
(about $190 CDN). Not being a poor, victimized motorist, I didn't
think to come whining to usenet about it at the time, though.