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06-13-2004, 01:35 AM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! In article <PwRyc.704101$Pk3.533634@pd7tw1no>, "nooobody" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes: [actually, Daniel Stern wrote further up this thread:] >> > They can ram through busy intersections against the light, causing >> > multiple collisions as drivers attempt to avoid hitting them. > Different >> > venue, same effect. [to which I replied:] >> I've heard this point raised in the course of discussion before, >> but I've never seen nor heard of actual incidents where this >> has occurred. Has anyone? And if so, how often does it happen? [and now, in article <PwRyc.704101$Pk3.533634@pd7tw1no>, "nooobody" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:] > I've heard of worse.A few years ago, a pedestrian was killed by a > bicyclist who ran a red. The incident occurred on the street that > Daniel Stern, the original poster, observed the bicyclist being > stopped for running a red. It's not very common, but it does happen. That's certainly a tragic and unfortunate incident, but it's still not the 'multiple collisions' in Mr. Stern's description, which evokes in me images of tornado-like destruction paths in the wakes of red light-running cyclists. I wonder how many pedestrians have been killed by drivers who ran reds on that street since that incident. I have no argument against people being fairly and justly held accountable for their actions. But to me, Mr. Stern appears to be saying that red light-running cyclists cause real-life scenes like something from Smokie & the Bandit, and I seriously /question/ (note I didn't say 'refute') that assertion. -- -- Powered by FreeBSD Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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06-13-2004, 06:51 AM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! "tk" <pm200054@optonline.net> wrote in message news  TQyc.45$Z5.20647@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...> > AMEN to that. It would be espacially nice (for me anyways) if they would > do this to > > these idiot kids who have no clue of and/or disregard the rules of the > road. > > Not familiar with the 4th amendment are we? And the 4th amendment would have what to do with ticketing some idiot kid (or holding his parents responsible) when he breaks the law? -- Paul |
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06-13-2004, 06:51 AM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! "tk" <pm200054@optonline.net> wrote in message news TQyc.45$Z5.20647@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...> > AMEN to that. It would be espacially nice (for me anyways) if they would > do this to > > these idiot kids who have no clue of and/or disregard the rules of the > road. > > Not familiar with the 4th amendment are we? And the 4th amendment would have what to do with ticketing some idiot kid (or holding his parents responsible) when he breaks the law? -- Paul |
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06-13-2004, 06:51 AM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! "tk" <pm200054@optonline.net> wrote in message news TQyc.45$Z5.20647@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...> > AMEN to that. It would be espacially nice (for me anyways) if they would > do this to > > these idiot kids who have no clue of and/or disregard the rules of the > road. > > Not familiar with the 4th amendment are we? And the 4th amendment would have what to do with ticketing some idiot kid (or holding his parents responsible) when he breaks the law? -- Paul |
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06-13-2004, 06:51 AM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! "tk" <pm200054@optonline.net> wrote in message news TQyc.45$Z5.20647@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...> > AMEN to that. It would be espacially nice (for me anyways) if they would > do this to > > these idiot kids who have no clue of and/or disregard the rules of the > road. > > Not familiar with the 4th amendment are we? And the 4th amendment would have what to do with ticketing some idiot kid (or holding his parents responsible) when he breaks the law? -- Paul |
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06-13-2004, 06:51 AM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! "tk" <pm200054@optonline.net> wrote in message news TQyc.45$Z5.20647@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...> > AMEN to that. It would be espacially nice (for me anyways) if they would > do this to > > these idiot kids who have no clue of and/or disregard the rules of the > road. > > Not familiar with the 4th amendment are we? And the 4th amendment would have what to do with ticketing some idiot kid (or holding his parents responsible) when he breaks the law? -- Paul |
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06-13-2004, 06:57 AM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! "Timothy J. Lee" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:caggk7$ma5$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... > In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ch.edu>, > Daniel J. Stern <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote: > > There's no law requiring > >registration of bicycles or carrying an operator's license -- or, for that > >matter, any form of identification at all -- while riding one. Should be, > >but isn't. So what if the cop stops someone who hasn't got ID? What, > >exactly, can the cop do? > > Presumably the same thing the cop can do when arresting someone for > jaywalking or other illegal activity, and that person doesn't have ID. They can lock them up until they identify themselves, like the local PD here is doing with some idiot protesters who felt they had the right to block a highway last week. See: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] -- Paul |
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06-13-2004, 06:57 AM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! "Timothy J. Lee" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:caggk7$ma5$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... > In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ch.edu>, > Daniel J. Stern <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote: > > There's no law requiring > >registration of bicycles or carrying an operator's license -- or, for that > >matter, any form of identification at all -- while riding one. Should be, > >but isn't. So what if the cop stops someone who hasn't got ID? What, > >exactly, can the cop do? > > Presumably the same thing the cop can do when arresting someone for > jaywalking or other illegal activity, and that person doesn't have ID. They can lock them up until they identify themselves, like the local PD here is doing with some idiot protesters who felt they had the right to block a highway last week. See: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] -- Paul |
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06-13-2004, 06:57 AM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! "Timothy J. Lee" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:caggk7$ma5$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... > In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ch.edu>, > Daniel J. Stern <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote: > > There's no law requiring > >registration of bicycles or carrying an operator's license -- or, for that > >matter, any form of identification at all -- while riding one. Should be, > >but isn't. So what if the cop stops someone who hasn't got ID? What, > >exactly, can the cop do? > > Presumably the same thing the cop can do when arresting someone for > jaywalking or other illegal activity, and that person doesn't have ID. They can lock them up until they identify themselves, like the local PD here is doing with some idiot protesters who felt they had the right to block a highway last week. See: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] -- Paul |
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06-13-2004, 06:57 AM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! "Timothy J. Lee" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> wrote in message news:caggk7$ma5$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]... > In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ch.edu>, > Daniel J. Stern <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote: > > There's no law requiring > >registration of bicycles or carrying an operator's license -- or, for that > >matter, any form of identification at all -- while riding one. Should be, > >but isn't. So what if the cop stops someone who hasn't got ID? What, > >exactly, can the cop do? > > Presumably the same thing the cop can do when arresting someone for > jaywalking or other illegal activity, and that person doesn't have ID. They can lock them up until they identify themselves, like the local PD here is doing with some idiot protesters who felt they had the right to block a highway last week. See: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] -- Paul |
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