Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! - Page 52 - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

06-14-2004, 08:30 PM

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (Hunrobe) wrote:

> You're 100% right about the first Zoot but 100% wrong on the second. A dog,
> coon, or skunk that tries to dart through traffic sometimes becomes road pizza.
> Do you honestly think that all the road killed animals you see were struck by
> drivers that could have avoided them if only they could "control their scuds"?

Okay, what if it's neither a beastie nor an adult cyclist, but rather
a young child? How about an adult autistic? Or a runaway lawnmower?

Drivers who don't operate their vehicles in such a way as to be able
to deal with these situations-- and no, making "road pizza" is not
dealing with them-- are every bit as criminally antisocial as somebody
shooting blindly into a crowd.

> *IF* (notice the emphasis) as the poster postulates a cyclist darts out in a
> nonforseeable manner and a driver trying to avoid him crashes, it's the
> cyclist's fault not the driver's.

The collision may be the fault of the cyclist, but any serious injury
or property damage resulting from it is the fault of the motorist. It
just has to be; the cyclist did not bring that risk to the
interaction.

The law does not uphold the ethical lines of responsibility when it
comes to motor vehicles-- to do so would have a chilling effect on
their gratuitous operation-- but just because the law is wrong in
this, does not make it right to divert motorists' responsibilities to
their victims.

Chalo Colina

06-14-2004, 08:43 PM

>"Daniel J. Stern

wrote:

>Geese misuse the road out of ignorance and without malice. Too many
>cyclists misuse the road knowingly and with malice. Perhaps that explains
>why some motorists behave more benignly towards geese than towards
>cyclists.

That's odd. I know scores of cyclists and weekly I see hundreds of cyclists I
don't know out riding their bikes. I've seen some pretty foolish riding but I
can't recall a single instance, *some* Critical Mass participants aside, of any
intentional and malicious misuse of the road.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

06-14-2004, 08:43 PM

>"Daniel J. Stern

wrote:

>Geese misuse the road out of ignorance and without malice. Too many
>cyclists misuse the road knowingly and with malice. Perhaps that explains
>why some motorists behave more benignly towards geese than towards
>cyclists.

That's odd. I know scores of cyclists and weekly I see hundreds of cyclists I
don't know out riding their bikes. I've seen some pretty foolish riding but I
can't recall a single instance, *some* Critical Mass participants aside, of any
intentional and malicious misuse of the road.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

06-14-2004, 08:43 PM

>"Daniel J. Stern

wrote:

>Geese misuse the road out of ignorance and without malice. Too many
>cyclists misuse the road knowingly and with malice. Perhaps that explains
>why some motorists behave more benignly towards geese than towards
>cyclists.

That's odd. I know scores of cyclists and weekly I see hundreds of cyclists I
don't know out riding their bikes. I've seen some pretty foolish riding but I
can't recall a single instance, *some* Critical Mass participants aside, of any
intentional and malicious misuse of the road.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

06-14-2004, 08:43 PM

>"Daniel J. Stern

wrote:

>Geese misuse the road out of ignorance and without malice. Too many
>cyclists misuse the road knowingly and with malice. Perhaps that explains
>why some motorists behave more benignly towards geese than towards
>cyclists.

That's odd. I know scores of cyclists and weekly I see hundreds of cyclists I
don't know out riding their bikes. I've seen some pretty foolish riding but I
can't recall a single instance, *some* Critical Mass participants aside, of any
intentional and malicious misuse of the road.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

06-14-2004, 08:43 PM

>"Daniel J. Stern

wrote:

>Geese misuse the road out of ignorance and without malice. Too many
>cyclists misuse the road knowingly and with malice. Perhaps that explains
>why some motorists behave more benignly towards geese than towards
>cyclists.

That's odd. I know scores of cyclists and weekly I see hundreds of cyclists I
don't know out riding their bikes. I've seen some pretty foolish riding but I
can't recall a single instance, *some* Critical Mass participants aside, of any
intentional and malicious misuse of the road.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

06-14-2004, 08:51 PM

>Zoot Katz [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

wrote:

>The driver alone is responsible for controlling their vehicle.
>You can not say anything to dissuade me from that conviction.

You and I have had this discussion before so I know that trying to convince you
that you're wrong is futile. I was merely pointing out the lunacy of your
position on the subject. I really didn't have any hope that you'd finally
recognize it's lunacy.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

06-14-2004, 08:51 PM

>Zoot Katz [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

wrote:

>The driver alone is responsible for controlling their vehicle.
>You can not say anything to dissuade me from that conviction.

You and I have had this discussion before so I know that trying to convince you
that you're wrong is futile. I was merely pointing out the lunacy of your
position on the subject. I really didn't have any hope that you'd finally
recognize it's lunacy.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

06-14-2004, 08:51 PM

>Zoot Katz [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

wrote:

>The driver alone is responsible for controlling their vehicle.
>You can not say anything to dissuade me from that conviction.

You and I have had this discussion before so I know that trying to convince you
that you're wrong is futile. I was merely pointing out the lunacy of your
position on the subject. I really didn't have any hope that you'd finally
recognize it's lunacy.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

06-14-2004, 08:51 PM

>Zoot Katz [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

wrote:

>The driver alone is responsible for controlling their vehicle.
>You can not say anything to dissuade me from that conviction.

You and I have had this discussion before so I know that trying to convince you
that you're wrong is futile. I was merely pointing out the lunacy of your
position on the subject. I really didn't have any hope that you'd finally
recognize it's lunacy.

Regards,
Bob Hunt