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06-15-2004, 09:51 PM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! "Chris B." <bikerider@-no-spam-thanks-rogers.com> wrote in message news:fghnc0tbrqeq2n00rpiqd4v58jqbvgb5fj@4ax.com... > On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:49:09 -0400, "Paul" > <UPS_SUCKS!@slower_traffic_get_to_the_right.com> wrote: > > > > >"Daniel T." <postmaster@eathlink.net> wrote in message > >news  ostmaster-D81410.17142012062004@news1.west.earthlink.net...> > > >> I'm not going to claim that what Mr. Stern says never happens, but I > >> expect that when something like that happens but its a car rather than a > >> bike that is "ramming" through a busy intersection against the light, a > >> hell of a lot more damage occurs. > > > >What Stern is seeing (and what lots of other drivers see) is cyclists disregarding > >the laws that they are supposed to be obeying. The difference is that the car driver > >gets a ticket, fine and higher insurance when caught. The cyclist just gets away with > >it. > > Not always, though. On my bicycle last year here in Toronto, I > received a ticket for failing to stop at a red (it wasn't an > especially blatant offence either, really - I turned right on the red > without stopping). It is legal to turn right on the red here, > provided that you stop first and then yield to pedestrians and cross > traffic. > > Hopefully Mr. Stern (who appears to suffer from a very severe case of > C.I.S.) will sleep a great deal better knowing that I paid the ticket > (about $190 CDN). Not being a poor, victimized motorist, I didn't > think to come whining to usenet about it at the time, though. As a pedestrian the other night I almost got hit by a motorist who ran a red light to do a right on red. If he had proper observational skills, it wouldn't have been a problem. If it were a cyclist in the same situation, and there was a collision, there would be a much higher chance that he/she would be injured. |
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06-15-2004, 10:02 PM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! In rec.autos.driving, Brent P said: >Most cyclists misuse the road through ingorance and stupidity just like >most drivers in the USA. Yet drivers forgive other drivers of these >actions. Those of us who don't tolerate this kind of thing are even >considered to be the problem, the idea of infinite tolerance of stupidity >amoung drivers is so wide spread. Yet, for a bicyclist, the very same >teachings of infinite tolerance do not apply, the average motorist >is thought to be within his rights to have no tolerance for stupidity >on the part of a bicyclist. Of course - we wouldn't want to be "enablers" now would we?  -- Sloth is the first deadly sin. |
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06-15-2004, 10:02 PM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! In rec.autos.driving, Brent P said: >Most cyclists misuse the road through ingorance and stupidity just like >most drivers in the USA. Yet drivers forgive other drivers of these >actions. Those of us who don't tolerate this kind of thing are even >considered to be the problem, the idea of infinite tolerance of stupidity >amoung drivers is so wide spread. Yet, for a bicyclist, the very same >teachings of infinite tolerance do not apply, the average motorist >is thought to be within his rights to have no tolerance for stupidity >on the part of a bicyclist. Of course - we wouldn't want to be "enablers" now would we? -- Sloth is the first deadly sin. |
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06-15-2004, 10:02 PM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! In rec.autos.driving, Brent P said: >Most cyclists misuse the road through ingorance and stupidity just like >most drivers in the USA. Yet drivers forgive other drivers of these >actions. Those of us who don't tolerate this kind of thing are even >considered to be the problem, the idea of infinite tolerance of stupidity >amoung drivers is so wide spread. Yet, for a bicyclist, the very same >teachings of infinite tolerance do not apply, the average motorist >is thought to be within his rights to have no tolerance for stupidity >on the part of a bicyclist. Of course - we wouldn't want to be "enablers" now would we? -- Sloth is the first deadly sin. |
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06-15-2004, 10:02 PM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! In rec.autos.driving, Brent P said: >Most cyclists misuse the road through ingorance and stupidity just like >most drivers in the USA. Yet drivers forgive other drivers of these >actions. Those of us who don't tolerate this kind of thing are even >considered to be the problem, the idea of infinite tolerance of stupidity >amoung drivers is so wide spread. Yet, for a bicyclist, the very same >teachings of infinite tolerance do not apply, the average motorist >is thought to be within his rights to have no tolerance for stupidity >on the part of a bicyclist. Of course - we wouldn't want to be "enablers" now would we? -- Sloth is the first deadly sin. |
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06-15-2004, 10:02 PM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! In rec.autos.driving, Brent P said: >Most cyclists misuse the road through ingorance and stupidity just like >most drivers in the USA. Yet drivers forgive other drivers of these >actions. Those of us who don't tolerate this kind of thing are even >considered to be the problem, the idea of infinite tolerance of stupidity >amoung drivers is so wide spread. Yet, for a bicyclist, the very same >teachings of infinite tolerance do not apply, the average motorist >is thought to be within his rights to have no tolerance for stupidity >on the part of a bicyclist. Of course - we wouldn't want to be "enablers" now would we? -- Sloth is the first deadly sin. |
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06-15-2004, 10:05 PM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! In rec.autos.driving, Tom Keats said: >> Too many >> cyclists misuse the road knowingly and with malice. > >You're certainly fast on the draw when it comes to hyberbole. > >Malice is often more in the eye of the beholder than in >the beholden. Actually, I disagree with the diagnosis of malice, at least in most cases. Arrogance is much more likely to be the cause of most annoying pedalcyclist behavior, IMHO. -- Sloth is the first deadly sin. |
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06-15-2004, 10:05 PM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! In rec.autos.driving, Tom Keats said: >> Too many >> cyclists misuse the road knowingly and with malice. > >You're certainly fast on the draw when it comes to hyberbole. > >Malice is often more in the eye of the beholder than in >the beholden. Actually, I disagree with the diagnosis of malice, at least in most cases. Arrogance is much more likely to be the cause of most annoying pedalcyclist behavior, IMHO. -- Sloth is the first deadly sin. |
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06-15-2004, 10:05 PM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! In rec.autos.driving, Tom Keats said: >> Too many >> cyclists misuse the road knowingly and with malice. > >You're certainly fast on the draw when it comes to hyberbole. > >Malice is often more in the eye of the beholder than in >the beholden. Actually, I disagree with the diagnosis of malice, at least in most cases. Arrogance is much more likely to be the cause of most annoying pedalcyclist behavior, IMHO. -- Sloth is the first deadly sin. |
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06-15-2004, 10:05 PM
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| Re: Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! In rec.autos.driving, Tom Keats said: >> Too many >> cyclists misuse the road knowingly and with malice. > >You're certainly fast on the draw when it comes to hyberbole. > >Malice is often more in the eye of the beholder than in >the beholden. Actually, I disagree with the diagnosis of malice, at least in most cases. Arrogance is much more likely to be the cause of most annoying pedalcyclist behavior, IMHO. -- Sloth is the first deadly sin. |
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