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06-17-2004, 10:30 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Scott in Aztlán <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> In rec.autos.driving, Tom Keats said:
>
>>> Too many
>>> cyclists misuse the road knowingly and with malice.
>>
>>You're certainly fast on the draw when it comes to hyberbole.
>>
>>Malice is often more in the eye of the beholder than in
>>the beholden.
>
> Actually, I disagree with the diagnosis of malice, at least in most cases.
> Arrogance is much more likely to be the cause of most annoying pedalcyclist
> behavior, IMHO.

Arrogance is expressed by all kinds of /some/ (but not all)
road/street users.

But so is co-operation, courtesy and consideration. Those
things just don't get noticed as much.

Another, earlier subthread heretofore discusses pedestrians
who get half-way across a street and stop, just to stop the
car traffic, just because they can. On the other hand, I
distinctly recall occasions when a friend of mine had knee
surgery, was on crutches, and drivers aimed and accelerated
at him because they thought he was taking too long crossing
the -- not a street, but a back access alley. I guess the
drivers thought he was being 'arrogant' for trying to get
around while being gimped.

As a non-driving, transportational cyclist, I've had lots of
driver arrogance shoved in my face, when I didn't deserve it.
Driver Arrogance is the most prevalent and pervasive kind of
on-the-road arrogance, because drivers have all got at least
2 1/2 tons of aces, and good acceleration up their sleeves.
I bet not many drivers have had as much crap hurled at them
from, or have been passed-&-cut-off by cyclists, or have been
threateningly, on-comingly aimed-at in their own lane, as the
other way around.

It actually could readily be said that private car drivers are
the /most/ arrogant group of road users.

People get too retalliatory -- even about things that haven't
even happened yet, but they expect they will, and it ups
their blood pressures. And then their reactions to their
malperceived situations impinge on everyone else around.

Y'know what I've found works? To regard every road user as
somebody that needs to get home to their bathroom real fast.
In other words, to consider that their urgencies might be
greater than mine. That doesn't mean I'm going to submissively
pull-over whenever an impatient driver behind me wants to
get ahead of me without exerting a little effort to simply
steer around me. I really hate it when people feel compelled
to pretend I'm in the way (that's why I prefer not to work in
construction or other labour-oriented jobs.) Sometimes I have
to occupy an entire lane, to keep from getting clobbered by
opening parked car doors to the right, or a stretch of the road
is too narrow to share the whole lane, or sometimes to make a
left turn. I guess some drivers see cyclists doing that, and
prefer to believ we do it /all/ the time, and never consider
the many times we let them by. Like, we really /want/ to get
hit. Yeah, right. But I promise you, I'll let you by as
soon as I can. We cyclists don't want any impatient, arrogant
drivers breathing down our necks. But if they can't get past
us soon enough for 'em -- tough titty. It's not about arrogance;
it's about safety. People should be able to get home to their
bathrooms or whatever, without killing anyone or being killed
in their haste.

Wouldn't it be nice if we /all/ regarded every other road user
as somebody that need to get home to their bathroom real fast,
no matter what mode of transportation they use?

But I guess I'll get that same consideration from drivers as
soon as a hog jumps out of my ass.

Actually I guess I shouldn't say that, because I've had lots
of good, friendly, smiling & waving interactions with drivers.

Tell ya this much, though: I've got good news -- I just saved
a bundle on car insurance, by not having to buy any.

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06-17-2004, 11:21 PM

In article <jdEzc.83699$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Resound <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> Tom Keats wrote:
> > In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].au>, Bernd Felsche
> > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].au> writes:
> > > I love it.
> > I love you!! In fact, I'd like to give you a big, wet, slurpy kiss right
> > now -- from a non-driving cyclist to a driver. So here it is:
> > Mmmmmwwwaaa!
> > L'amour: c'est bon, n'est pas?
> > How's that for malice? <snip>
>
>
>
> Flirt.

What can I say? I find Oztralians irresistible.

I seem to have scared-off the bike-haters for at least awhile,
anyways.

Bawling them out is one thing. Giving 'em a buss-a-rooney a la
Bugs Bunny->Elmer Fudd is apparently quite another. Too bad it's
so difficult a maneouver while actually riding. The most we can
do is moon 'em, with 'this butt's for you' scrawled in felt pen
across our saddle interfaces.

Anyhow, the way to counter-effect negatives is with positives.
Fight fire with water, badness with goodness, UV rays with
sunscreen, bugs with (actually, maybe don't fight bugs, but
learn to live with and co-inhabit the planet with 'em), and
hatred with love.

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06-17-2004, 11:21 PM

In article <jdEzc.83699$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Resound <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> Tom Keats wrote:
> > In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].au>, Bernd Felsche
> > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].au> writes:
> > > I love it.
> > I love you!! In fact, I'd like to give you a big, wet, slurpy kiss right
> > now -- from a non-driving cyclist to a driver. So here it is:
> > Mmmmmwwwaaa!
> > L'amour: c'est bon, n'est pas?
> > How's that for malice? <snip>
>
>
>
> Flirt.

What can I say? I find Oztralians irresistible.

I seem to have scared-off the bike-haters for at least awhile,
anyways.

Bawling them out is one thing. Giving 'em a buss-a-rooney a la
Bugs Bunny->Elmer Fudd is apparently quite another. Too bad it's
so difficult a maneouver while actually riding. The most we can
do is moon 'em, with 'this butt's for you' scrawled in felt pen
across our saddle interfaces.

Anyhow, the way to counter-effect negatives is with positives.
Fight fire with water, badness with goodness, UV rays with
sunscreen, bugs with (actually, maybe don't fight bugs, but
learn to live with and co-inhabit the planet with 'em), and
hatred with love.

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06-17-2004, 11:21 PM

In article <jdEzc.83699$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Resound <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> Tom Keats wrote:
> > In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].au>, Bernd Felsche
> > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].au> writes:
> > > I love it.
> > I love you!! In fact, I'd like to give you a big, wet, slurpy kiss right
> > now -- from a non-driving cyclist to a driver. So here it is:
> > Mmmmmwwwaaa!
> > L'amour: c'est bon, n'est pas?
> > How's that for malice? <snip>
>
>
>
> Flirt.

What can I say? I find Oztralians irresistible.

I seem to have scared-off the bike-haters for at least awhile,
anyways.

Bawling them out is one thing. Giving 'em a buss-a-rooney a la
Bugs Bunny->Elmer Fudd is apparently quite another. Too bad it's
so difficult a maneouver while actually riding. The most we can
do is moon 'em, with 'this butt's for you' scrawled in felt pen
across our saddle interfaces.

Anyhow, the way to counter-effect negatives is with positives.
Fight fire with water, badness with goodness, UV rays with
sunscreen, bugs with (actually, maybe don't fight bugs, but
learn to live with and co-inhabit the planet with 'em), and
hatred with love.

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06-17-2004, 11:21 PM

In article <jdEzc.83699$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Resound <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> Tom Keats wrote:
> > In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].au>, Bernd Felsche
> > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].au> writes:
> > > I love it.
> > I love you!! In fact, I'd like to give you a big, wet, slurpy kiss right
> > now -- from a non-driving cyclist to a driver. So here it is:
> > Mmmmmwwwaaa!
> > L'amour: c'est bon, n'est pas?
> > How's that for malice? <snip>
>
>
>
> Flirt.

What can I say? I find Oztralians irresistible.

I seem to have scared-off the bike-haters for at least awhile,
anyways.

Bawling them out is one thing. Giving 'em a buss-a-rooney a la
Bugs Bunny->Elmer Fudd is apparently quite another. Too bad it's
so difficult a maneouver while actually riding. The most we can
do is moon 'em, with 'this butt's for you' scrawled in felt pen
across our saddle interfaces.

Anyhow, the way to counter-effect negatives is with positives.
Fight fire with water, badness with goodness, UV rays with
sunscreen, bugs with (actually, maybe don't fight bugs, but
learn to live with and co-inhabit the planet with 'em), and
hatred with love.

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06-17-2004, 11:21 PM

In article <jdEzc.83699$[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]>,
Resound <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]> writes:
> Tom Keats wrote:
> > In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].au>, Bernd Felsche
> > <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ].au> writes:
> > > I love it.
> > I love you!! In fact, I'd like to give you a big, wet, slurpy kiss right
> > now -- from a non-driving cyclist to a driver. So here it is:
> > Mmmmmwwwaaa!
> > L'amour: c'est bon, n'est pas?
> > How's that for malice? <snip>
>
>
>
> Flirt.

What can I say? I find Oztralians irresistible.

I seem to have scared-off the bike-haters for at least awhile,
anyways.

Bawling them out is one thing. Giving 'em a buss-a-rooney a la
Bugs Bunny->Elmer Fudd is apparently quite another. Too bad it's
so difficult a maneouver while actually riding. The most we can
do is moon 'em, with 'this butt's for you' scrawled in felt pen
across our saddle interfaces.

Anyhow, the way to counter-effect negatives is with positives.
Fight fire with water, badness with goodness, UV rays with
sunscreen, bugs with (actually, maybe don't fight bugs, but
learn to live with and co-inhabit the planet with 'em), and
hatred with love.

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06-18-2004, 01:59 AM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ch.edu>,
"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> writes:

>> Mr. Stern, have you ever ridden a bike?
>
> Certainly. I ride mine -- on the street, in traffic -- frequently when
> weather permits.

If nothing else, you are amusing.

"weather permits." Pffft.

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06-18-2004, 01:59 AM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ch.edu>,
"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> writes:

>> Mr. Stern, have you ever ridden a bike?
>
> Certainly. I ride mine -- on the street, in traffic -- frequently when
> weather permits.

If nothing else, you are amusing.

"weather permits." Pffft.

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06-18-2004, 01:59 AM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ch.edu>,
"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> writes:

>> Mr. Stern, have you ever ridden a bike?
>
> Certainly. I ride mine -- on the street, in traffic -- frequently when
> weather permits.

If nothing else, you are amusing.

"weather permits." Pffft.

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06-18-2004, 01:59 AM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ch.edu>,
"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> writes:

>> Mr. Stern, have you ever ridden a bike?
>
> Certainly. I ride mine -- on the street, in traffic -- frequently when
> weather permits.

If nothing else, you are amusing.

"weather permits." Pffft.

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