Holy shatz! Cop stops bicycle! - Cycling Mob: Road Cycling, Mountain Biking and More

06-11-2004, 09:11 PM

*Reposted, this time to correct groups*

(Prefatory note to Brent: Yes, I'm aware there are many badly-behaved
motorists. No, I don't think they should get off scot-free, either. Yes,
I'm aware you're vehemently opposed to bicycle and rider registration. No,
I don't buy your putative reasons for it. Yes, I know you have to respond
to this post. No, I won't get in a pissing contest with you.)

I was walking down Bloor St when I saw a copcycle pull over a cyclist for
running a red light...talk about shock and awe! I've never seen the likes
of this before. The cop ordered the cyclist to dismount, walk his bike to
the corner and park it, then lectured the guy for a few minutes ("Red
lights mean STOP, whether you're in a car or on a bike or on your feet!
It's the same rules of the road for you as for everyone else who uses
it!"). The guy was arguing that he bicycles in this area all the time,
there were no cars coming, etc. The cop (surprise...) told the guy he was
just warning him this time rather than writing a ticket, and eventually
let him ride off.

Now, it did my heart a lot of good to see and hear this. There are way too
many badly-behaved bicyclists in Toronto, as there are in every other
city. "Hey, lookit me! I'm a car! WHUP, now I'm a pedestrian! WHUP! Now
I'm neither! Hey, lookit me riding on the wrong side of the street! After
dark! Without lights or reflectors! Wearing all black! And if you hit me,
it'll be all your fault, neener neener neener! Whoah, sucks to be you, red
lights are only for cars!" etc.

I'd like to see a lot more of this kind of police activity, but pragmatic
questions pretty much scotch the idea. There's no law requiring
registration of bicycles or carrying an operator's license -- or, for that
matter, any form of identification at all -- while riding one. Should be,
but isn't. So what if the cop stops someone who hasn't got ID? What,
exactly, can the cop do? And even if s/he succeeds in writing a ticket,
what's to motivate the recipient to pay it? There'll be no demerit points
on his driver's license (which s/he may not even have). There'll be no
increase in insurance premiums (which s/he's not required to carry).
There'll be no denial of renewed registration (also not required).

Be nice if cops could/would (they probably can) write tickets and impound
bicycles until the ticket is paid.

-Stern (pedestrian/cyclist/driver)

06-11-2004, 09:20 PM

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:11:20 -0400, "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

>*Reposted, this time to correct groups*

>I was walking down Bloor St when I saw...

>Now, it did my heart a lot of good to see and hear this. There are way too
>many badly-behaved bicyclists in Toronto, as there are in every other
>city.
>
>Be nice if cops could/would (they probably can) write tickets and impound
>bicycles until the ticket is paid.
>
>-Stern (pedestrian/cyclist/driver)

I hear your momma was picked up on that same corner. Only, not for bad
biking behavior.

-B

06-11-2004, 09:20 PM

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:11:20 -0400, "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

>*Reposted, this time to correct groups*

>I was walking down Bloor St when I saw...

>Now, it did my heart a lot of good to see and hear this. There are way too
>many badly-behaved bicyclists in Toronto, as there are in every other
>city.
>
>Be nice if cops could/would (they probably can) write tickets and impound
>bicycles until the ticket is paid.
>
>-Stern (pedestrian/cyclist/driver)

I hear your momma was picked up on that same corner. Only, not for bad
biking behavior.

-B

06-11-2004, 09:20 PM

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:11:20 -0400, "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

>*Reposted, this time to correct groups*

>I was walking down Bloor St when I saw...

>Now, it did my heart a lot of good to see and hear this. There are way too
>many badly-behaved bicyclists in Toronto, as there are in every other
>city.
>
>Be nice if cops could/would (they probably can) write tickets and impound
>bicycles until the ticket is paid.
>
>-Stern (pedestrian/cyclist/driver)

I hear your momma was picked up on that same corner. Only, not for bad
biking behavior.

-B

06-11-2004, 09:20 PM

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:11:20 -0400, "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

>*Reposted, this time to correct groups*

>I was walking down Bloor St when I saw...

>Now, it did my heart a lot of good to see and hear this. There are way too
>many badly-behaved bicyclists in Toronto, as there are in every other
>city.
>
>Be nice if cops could/would (they probably can) write tickets and impound
>bicycles until the ticket is paid.
>
>-Stern (pedestrian/cyclist/driver)

I hear your momma was picked up on that same corner. Only, not for bad
biking behavior.

-B

06-11-2004, 09:20 PM

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:11:20 -0400, "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

>*Reposted, this time to correct groups*

>I was walking down Bloor St when I saw...

>Now, it did my heart a lot of good to see and hear this. There are way too
>many badly-behaved bicyclists in Toronto, as there are in every other
>city.
>
>Be nice if cops could/would (they probably can) write tickets and impound
>bicycles until the ticket is paid.
>
>-Stern (pedestrian/cyclist/driver)

I hear your momma was picked up on that same corner. Only, not for bad
biking behavior.

-B

06-11-2004, 10:22 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ch.edu>, Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> I was walking down Bloor St when I saw a copcycle pull over a cyclist for
> running a red light...talk about shock and awe!

Quite different from my experience. I stop and the cop runs the red.

> Now, it did my heart a lot of good to see and hear this.

The only times I've been stopped by a cop is when they insisted I
could not use the roadway but had to teeter on the couple inches
of pavement to the right on the while line and left of the gravel.

> I'd like to see a lot more of this kind of police activity, but pragmatic
> questions pretty much scotch the idea.

I'd like to see for ALL vehicles.

> There's no law requiring
> registration of bicycles or carrying an operator's license -- or, for that
> matter, any form of identification at all -- while riding one.

This doesn't prevent a ticket from being written and legally binding.

> Should be,
> but isn't. So what if the cop stops someone who hasn't got ID? What,
> exactly, can the cop do? And even if s/he succeeds in writing a ticket,
> what's to motivate the recipient to pay it? There'll be no demerit points
> on his driver's license (which s/he may not even have). There'll be no
> increase in insurance premiums (which s/he's not required to carry).
> There'll be no denial of renewed registration (also not required).

Because a warrant will be issued for his arrest. This will turn up at
a bad time like when he gets pulled over for driving 70mph on an empty
expressway at 2am.

> Be nice if cops could/would (they probably can) write tickets and impound
> bicycles until the ticket is paid.

Autos first. It would kill the speeding ticket industry. And btw, cops
are already known to do just that, cept it's with anyone riding a bike
within reach when there is some sort of protest or convention going on.

06-11-2004, 10:22 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ch.edu>, Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> I was walking down Bloor St when I saw a copcycle pull over a cyclist for
> running a red light...talk about shock and awe!

Quite different from my experience. I stop and the cop runs the red.

> Now, it did my heart a lot of good to see and hear this.

The only times I've been stopped by a cop is when they insisted I
could not use the roadway but had to teeter on the couple inches
of pavement to the right on the while line and left of the gravel.

> I'd like to see a lot more of this kind of police activity, but pragmatic
> questions pretty much scotch the idea.

I'd like to see for ALL vehicles.

> There's no law requiring
> registration of bicycles or carrying an operator's license -- or, for that
> matter, any form of identification at all -- while riding one.

This doesn't prevent a ticket from being written and legally binding.

> Should be,
> but isn't. So what if the cop stops someone who hasn't got ID? What,
> exactly, can the cop do? And even if s/he succeeds in writing a ticket,
> what's to motivate the recipient to pay it? There'll be no demerit points
> on his driver's license (which s/he may not even have). There'll be no
> increase in insurance premiums (which s/he's not required to carry).
> There'll be no denial of renewed registration (also not required).

Because a warrant will be issued for his arrest. This will turn up at
a bad time like when he gets pulled over for driving 70mph on an empty
expressway at 2am.

> Be nice if cops could/would (they probably can) write tickets and impound
> bicycles until the ticket is paid.

Autos first. It would kill the speeding ticket industry. And btw, cops
are already known to do just that, cept it's with anyone riding a bike
within reach when there is some sort of protest or convention going on.

06-11-2004, 10:22 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ch.edu>, Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> I was walking down Bloor St when I saw a copcycle pull over a cyclist for
> running a red light...talk about shock and awe!

Quite different from my experience. I stop and the cop runs the red.

> Now, it did my heart a lot of good to see and hear this.

The only times I've been stopped by a cop is when they insisted I
could not use the roadway but had to teeter on the couple inches
of pavement to the right on the while line and left of the gravel.

> I'd like to see a lot more of this kind of police activity, but pragmatic
> questions pretty much scotch the idea.

I'd like to see for ALL vehicles.

> There's no law requiring
> registration of bicycles or carrying an operator's license -- or, for that
> matter, any form of identification at all -- while riding one.

This doesn't prevent a ticket from being written and legally binding.

> Should be,
> but isn't. So what if the cop stops someone who hasn't got ID? What,
> exactly, can the cop do? And even if s/he succeeds in writing a ticket,
> what's to motivate the recipient to pay it? There'll be no demerit points
> on his driver's license (which s/he may not even have). There'll be no
> increase in insurance premiums (which s/he's not required to carry).
> There'll be no denial of renewed registration (also not required).

Because a warrant will be issued for his arrest. This will turn up at
a bad time like when he gets pulled over for driving 70mph on an empty
expressway at 2am.

> Be nice if cops could/would (they probably can) write tickets and impound
> bicycles until the ticket is paid.

Autos first. It would kill the speeding ticket industry. And btw, cops
are already known to do just that, cept it's with anyone riding a bike
within reach when there is some sort of protest or convention going on.

06-11-2004, 10:22 PM

In article <[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ch.edu>, Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> I was walking down Bloor St when I saw a copcycle pull over a cyclist for
> running a red light...talk about shock and awe!

Quite different from my experience. I stop and the cop runs the red.

> Now, it did my heart a lot of good to see and hear this.

The only times I've been stopped by a cop is when they insisted I
could not use the roadway but had to teeter on the couple inches
of pavement to the right on the while line and left of the gravel.

> I'd like to see a lot more of this kind of police activity, but pragmatic
> questions pretty much scotch the idea.

I'd like to see for ALL vehicles.

> There's no law requiring
> registration of bicycles or carrying an operator's license -- or, for that
> matter, any form of identification at all -- while riding one.

This doesn't prevent a ticket from being written and legally binding.

> Should be,
> but isn't. So what if the cop stops someone who hasn't got ID? What,
> exactly, can the cop do? And even if s/he succeeds in writing a ticket,
> what's to motivate the recipient to pay it? There'll be no demerit points
> on his driver's license (which s/he may not even have). There'll be no
> increase in insurance premiums (which s/he's not required to carry).
> There'll be no denial of renewed registration (also not required).

Because a warrant will be issued for his arrest. This will turn up at
a bad time like when he gets pulled over for driving 70mph on an empty
expressway at 2am.

> Be nice if cops could/would (they probably can) write tickets and impound
> bicycles until the ticket is paid.

Autos first. It would kill the speeding ticket industry. And btw, cops
are already known to do just that, cept it's with anyone riding a bike
within reach when there is some sort of protest or convention going on.